How Zionism Forged an Apartheid State from River to Sea
Thomas Suárez
The Israel-Palestine “conflict” is typically understood to be a clash between two ethnic groups—Arabs and Jews—inhabiting the same land. Thomas Suárez digs deep below these preconceptions and their supporting “narratives” to expose something starkly different: The violent take-over of Palestine by a European racial-nationalist settler movement, Zionism, using terror to assert by force a claim to the land that has no legal or moral basis.
Drawing extensively from original source documents, many revealed here for the first time, Suárez interweaves secret intelligence reports, newly-declassified military and diplomatic correspondence, and the terrorists’ own records boasting of their successes. His shocking account details a litany of Zionist terrorism against anyone in their way—the indigenous Palestinians, the British who had helped establish Zionism, and Jews who opposed the Zionist agenda.
Far from being isolated atrocities by rogue groups, the use of terror was deliberate and sustained, carried out or supported by the same leaders who then established and led the Israeli state. We are still living this history: The book proves that Israel's regime of Apartheid against the Palestinians and the continued expropriation of their country are not the result of complex historical circumstances, but the intended, singular goal of Zionism since its beginning.
Tom Suárez has written and lectured extensively on the Palestinian issue, including at major UK and UK universities and the UK House of Lords. He is best known for his 2016 book, State of Terror, “the first comprehensive and structured analysis of the violence and terror employed by the Zionist movement and later the state of Israel against the people of Palestine” (Ilan Pappé). His recent Writings on the Wall is an annotated collection of Palestinian oral histories. Suárez is a former faculty member of Palestine’s National Conservatory of Music.
Uri Avnery wrote this not long before he died in 2018 at the age of 94. But many have written about the psychotic path on which Israel has walked since it was invented and like Cassandra of myth, their voices have been unheard, thus allowing the Zioraelis to reach levels of sadistic bestiality which rank as some of the most evil in history.
Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
You can reply for paltry 100 or so subscribers that’s your right and my right is to respond and point out that you are a fraud and follow and one sided narrative and anyone that says Israel must be dismantle as Jewish state while over 20 Arab states exist and say hardly nothing about and absurdly single out Israel - like the Islamic nations who are the biggest human rights abusers including Hamas and Hezbollah and Houthis on their own people and within their society. Stay in your one sided misleading and deceptive echo chambers though with one sided anti Israel narrative for your 100 plus subscribers who typically believe in the same ahistorical misleading one sided narrative nonsense you peddle
You are selecting bits and pieces from bias or discredited sources and anti Israel sources and or cherry picking choosing to make your own skewered anti Israel Bullshit opinion as fact
Yes mainly misleading and deceptive mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective conclusions ( not facts ) drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish state ) pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same.. you also full of selective inconsistencies and feeble points which even undercut against your own points at times…
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure despicable hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It is hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers clearly did not deploy nearly the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish sovereign state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel ( a Jewish majority sovereign state ) but you side step that. Or perhaps you don’t as that is your toxic goal too and you must be condemned.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
Well there are no Gazans, just Palestinians and yes they saved Palestine and Palestinians because now the world is demanding and the UN just decreed that Israel end the occupation and get out of Palestine back behind pre: 67 so-called borders.
Israel has exterminated many but it has also exterminated its position globally and the world now wants Israel dismantled, well most people in the world and a few sane Governments, and Palestine to be free.
So, the Palestinian resistance freedom fighters have saved Palestine and Palestinians. Well, the truth is the idiot Israelis did it with their childish vengeful slaughter, using October 7, so they thought, as an excuse to ethnically cleanse Occupied Palestine. Instead the world now plans to cleanse Palestine of Israelis.
You can kill people but not an idea and you will never kill a just fight for freedom.
Apologies for repost as my phone gets stuck being in Ramallah leaving this week
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
The lie is you say the whole world wants Israel diamantés is DEUDED LIE as NO WESTERN GOVT is saying all calling for that expect for radical left anti Israel nuts jobs sorry to say that is your wishful thinking only
That UN advisory non binding about pre 67 border well that’s funny as Israel withdrew from Gaza to pre 67 border and look what happened so any sane USA politician knows that’s crazy and meaningless moot now ( that was previously part of Egypt ) in 2005 piece contradicts its own former UN resolution which says borders for a future potential Palestine state ( which won’t happen now or at all - until jihadi Hamas Islamic terrorists remain there and likely they will be defeated but still present - so Gaza / WB parts will still be under the status of autonomy rule until or if Hamas stands down ( the majority are dismantled ) and surrenders and releases all hostages - but I don’t see them surrendering
Hamas with OCT 7 brought no so called freedoms for Palestinians / Gazans but misery will remain as is - a shit hole when it was nice before Oct 7 even if Hamas stuffed it up with resorts / parks beaches , mansions etc -just like Ramallah etc in PA Arab administered regions in WB..
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
Mate, I do not give a screaming toss if there is a Jewish state in the world, just not in Palestine and not one which involves bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty to the Palestinians.
Set up a Jewish state in the US where Zionists, Israelis and Jews have most power. The US backs Israel so stick it there.
Either that or drop the insane Jewish racist fantasy and create one state where the native people, the Palestinians, share the land equally with any Israelis who wish to remain and be Palestinians.
GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. People oppose what the Israeli state is and does and has done for nearly 80 years not that the fact a lot of Israelis are Jews.
Look DUDE that’s not for you to dictate in your ahistorical nonsense even if you can say another
You can wank yourself DUDE as ISRAEL exists where it does as a Jewish state and it’s not going anywhere - as GAD SAAD states the main reason only reason is the Arabs / Islamists cannot stand any other sovereign state other than Islamic ruled states ( or Arab states with Muslim ruled majority ) but the fact they can’t stand a Jewish sovereignty there even more so and that’s unacceptable - bad luck
If it was a Swedish state with historical ties and state in land of historical Israel HEBREW Judea or however so named was created like other states in that century in the land I would be saying the same thing if the Arabs tried to kill the Swedish people ( Jews in this case ) and let’s face it Jewish hatred ( anti Semitism is the oldest hate in the world . The fact is ( whether it was right or wrong - Israel does exist as Jewish state like Jordan exists as Arab state and Pakistan as a Islamic stare ) and to say let’s dismantle it especially Israel now would essentially require a second Holocaust - ( the utopian fools are seriously deluded…
I dictate nothing. I simply present facts on a plate of reason and common sense.
The Swedes are a people. Jews are a religion. Apples with apples. I can assure you if Swedes had camped in Palestine 3000 years ago they would also have no right to invade and occupy it.
Quote: By the way, listen to China’s UN rep Fu Cong’s blistering condemnation of Israel, which uses very uncharacteristically strong language:
Now it’s clear that Israel is desperate to provoke Hezbollah in attacking it first, so that it can have the casus belli and global consensus in waging another genocide to cover for the first one in a sort of genocide-Ponzi scheme.
Here’s Israeli media showing its true face in declaring that Lebanese civilians are indistinguishable from Hezbollah ‘terrorists’, a precursor to the whitewashing of the planned genocide:
But what’s been understated is the true reason for why Israel is suddenly so desperate to expand the war to Lebanon. There are several reasons, of course, with varying importance; and while each play a part, let’s look at the most significant.
1. Firstly, Israel’s economy is in danger of crumbling partly owing to the fact that the productivity of the entire north has been disrupted by ongoing repercussions of the Hezbollah fight. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of settlers have fled, farms have been abandoned, etc. This much Netanyahu has openly stated even yesterday in a new speech—that the north must be ‘secured’ in order to bring people back, otherwise it can turn into an abandoned wasteland as Israelis don’t quite have the same taste for subsisting amid open hostilities as the nearby Arabs whom they’ve subjected to such conditions for years.
This was exacerbated today when Hezbollah unleashed a large attack which pierced the Iron Dome and slammed into several neighborhoods. The damage seemed unclear but houses, cars, etc., appeared on fire from published videos.
We’ll call this reason the most overt and ostensibly ‘official’ one, for the sake of political optics. But there are deeper ones.
2. Another major reason that few have gleaned or spoken of is a broader strategic one. Israel has not only likely deduced its time is running out due to the wane of the US Empire which is its chief sponsor, but more specifically, Israel may be taking advantage of a short window of unprecedented American weakness and absence of leadership.
They hated Jews for their religion first then they hated them just being Jewish like Hitler did
Now it’s clear that hate them for having a Jewish state -
You can deny all you want
The Hamas manifesto is clear just like the Arafat fake Palestinian identity created in 1960s
The 47 UN partook was for a Jewish state AND a additional Arab state ( not a Palestine ) - which Arabs rejected and went to war and lost…tough luck reality and expelled Jews ( Jordan did ) from Judea / Samaria
If it was israel at all then consistent with USA president - it was a job well done against these Islamic terrorists ….. ( of-course Irans allies will condemn - tell us something surprising like Tibet and the millions of Uyghurs in detention camps ( it’s hardly like beautiful Ramallah ) or what Gaza could have been but for Hamas and Islamic jihad stealing bullions and attacking Israel for 20 years
The Pager pogrom was a war crime, targeting civilians and an act of terrorism which will go down as one of the worst.
Israel carried out its pager and radio attacks. Many initially thought the pagers’ batteries exploded, but this is nonsense. They planted explosives inside and activated them likely with a phone call. The reason we know this is one of the videos of them exploding, one can hear various beeping sounds or ringing mere seconds before the explosion.
Secondly, there was a preponderance of eye injuries, which appears to imply the pagers rang or beeped, causing the victims to bring them up toward their face to inspect the number or message, after which the explosion hit them directly in the eyes:
A child picked up a pager and it blew her face off. She was eight years old. Driver had phones explode and their car killed people. Solar panels in hospitals exploded as did pagers, laptops, phones.
Israel blew up doctors, medical workers, teachers and children in Lebanon. They targeted a brand of pager that wasn't exclusively held by Hezzbollah, and indiscriminately attacked civilians in the process.
A member of the home front command carries a fragment from a rocket following missile strikes by Hezbollah in Kiryat Bilaik, northern Israel, on Sunday, Sept. 22, 2024. The exchange of fire between Israel and Hezbollah intensified on Sunday as the Lebanon-based group launched about 115 rockets, missiles and drones toward vast areas of Israel's north. Photographer: Kobi Wolf/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Kobi Wolf/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Last week the world watched as the terrorist army Hezbollah was hit by an attack that was equal parts debilitating and humiliating. On Tuesday, September 17, the special pagers carried by Hezbollah operatives suddenly exploded. Then, on Wednesday, their walkie talkies literally blew up.
Although Israel has not claimed responsibility for the operation, in the event they did carry out this historically unprecedented strike, it was entirely justified and in full accordance with international law.
It is not surprising that it did not take long for the usual chorus of anti-Israel politicians and pundits — those who only remember International Humanitarian Law (IHL) whenever they think it might hurt the Jewish State — to find some obscure provision, divorced from context, that they might deceptively latch onto and accuse Israel of violating, knowing full well that the uneducated armchair ‘experts’ who blindly follow them would thoughtlessly amplify their claims, muddy the waters of good vs. evil, and somehow make Israel the bad guy again.
This time, the frenzied cries centered around Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II to the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which prohibits the use of booby-traps in certain circumstances. Pseudo-academics like Kenneth Roth could not wait to tell their breathless adherents that IHL unequivocally “prohibits the use of booby traps” — even though it is obvious that if booby traps are prohibited in certain circumstances, they must be permitted in others.
For the record, this is one of those permitted times, and here, with citations, is why.
First, it is important to establish that communication devices ordered by terrorists, issued to terrorists, for terrorist purposes, do not count as harmless civilian objects. Under Article 52 of the Additional Protocols to Geneva Convention I, the communication devices that a designated foreign terrorist organization issues to its operatives are legitimate military targets, and this should not be controversial. The fact that civilians may also use cell phones does not mean that you cannot target a terrorist call center.
Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II provides certain restrictions as to the use of booby traps and other similar devices. Paragraph 1 lists certain categories of objects — religious objects, children’s toys, etc. — for which it is prohibited to use booby traps in all circumstances. The devices in question do not fall under any of those categories.
Paragraph 2 of Article 7 prohibits using booby traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects which are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material. As the U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual explains:
The prohibition is intended to prevent the production of large quantities of dangerous objects that can be scattered around and are likely to be attractive to civilians, especially children.
It has nothing to do with communications devices procured by terrorists for terrorists, devices that were not specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material, and were instead modified to detonate once they clearly became military objects.
Paragraph 3 of Article 7 reminds us that even when permissible any such weapon must be placed “in the close vicinity of a military objective.” It is hard to imagine a more surgically precise procedure than the destruction of personal devices that were (literally) held by terrorists.
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Analyzing the legality of a military operation also requires factoring in the principles of necessity, distinction, and proportionality. The principle of necessity permits actions necessary to accomplish a legitimate military purpose. In this instance, in a single operation, an entire enemy army was significantly impacted, and not only physically – the attack also exposed the Hezbollah network, in Lebanon but also throughout the Middle East where Hezbollah agents or affiliates were carrying these specific Hezbollah issued pagers. The devastating psychological impact also cannot be discounted; Hezbollah can no longer trust their own equipment, cannot communicate (ironically, they are rumored to have switched to pagers out of concerns Israel was monitoring their comms!), and will have to change many elements of their operations with the potential to make further mistakes that can then be exploited.
The principle of distinction requires combatants to distinguish between civilians and military objectives during armed conflict. Here, the attack specifically targeted combatants, members of the Hezbollah army who had received specific Hezbollah equipment that is usually kept on their person. The law does not require perfect accuracy, which is impossible, and that leads to the principle of proportionality: Would such an attack be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects or a combination thereof which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage that is anticipated In this case, not a chance. Recall that Hezbollah has been bombing Israel incessantly for almost a year. In a swift and defensive maneuver — fully legal under Article 51 of the UN Charter — Israel (allegedly) immobilized a large segment of a terrorist organization actively hellbent on the genocidal elimination of the country.
Reports say that a few civilians, including two children, were tragically hurt as well. Innocent civilians getting hurt is absolutely tragic, but not in any way unlawful or Israel’s fault.
The truth is that the entire booby trap framework of analysis is wrong. IF Israel did commit these actions, then it was perhaps the finest and cleanest act of lawful sabotage in military history. As the ICRC explains:
Sabotage is generally the work of individuals or small formations operating in enemy-controlled territory and taking advantage of clandestinity, surprise, and ruses of war. It is generally carried out with great precision and therefore does not usually harm the civilian population. The targets of sabotage must form part of the enemy’s material infrastructure, that is, they must be military objectives. To sum up, sabotage against the enemy is a lawful operation provided the legal rules for the choice of targets and the methods and means employed are respected.
To quote one actual international humanitarian law expert, Eugene Kontorovitch:
Those protesting the attack on Hezbollah cell phones would have been crying over bombs placed on Nazi Germany’s train tracks.
The sad conclusion is this: if you are among those who were silent while Hezbollah committed thousands of undeniable, uncontested, and unprovoked war crimes against innocent Israeli civilians — killing men, women, and children in the process — and yet now find yourself horrified that Israel finally responded in a lawful, targeted manner by neutering (in some cases literally) hundreds of the terrorists who had been indiscriminately attacking them for months — your problem is not with Israel’s actions under international law; it is with Israel’s very existence.
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John Spencer is chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute (MWI) at West Point and host of the ”Urban Warfare Project Podcast.” He is the co-author of “Understanding Urban Warfare.”
Mark Goldfeder is a law professor and Director of the National Jewish Advocacy Center.
Arsen Ostrovsky is a human rights attorney who serves as CEO of The International Legal Forum and senior fellow at the Misgav Institute for National Security.
The views expressed in this piece are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent those of The Daily Wire.
No it clear wasn’t and you are not a lawyer - only anti Israel anti zionsts would say that
The Law Of Exploding Pagers
John Spencer, Mark Goldfeder, and Arsen Ostrovsky
Sep 25, 2024
A member of the home front command carries a fragment from a rocket following missile strikes by Hezbollah in Kiryat Bilaik, northern Israel, on Sunday, Sept. 22, 2024. The exchange of fire between Israel and Hezbollah intensified on Sunday as the Lebanon-based group launched about 115 rockets, missiles and drones toward vast areas of Israel's north. Photographer: Kobi Wolf/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Kobi Wolf/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Last week the world watched as the terrorist army Hezbollah was hit by an attack that was equal parts debilitating and humiliating. On Tuesday, September 17, the special pagers carried by Hezbollah operatives suddenly exploded. Then, on Wednesday, their walkie talkies literally blew up.
Although Israel has not claimed responsibility for the operation, in the event they did carry out this historically unprecedented strike, it was entirely justified and in full accordance with international law.
It is not surprising that it did not take long for the usual chorus of anti-Israel politicians and pundits — those who only remember International Humanitarian Law (IHL) whenever they think it might hurt the Jewish State — to find some obscure provision, divorced from context, that they might deceptively latch onto and accuse Israel of violating, knowing full well that the uneducated armchair ‘experts’ who blindly follow them would thoughtlessly amplify their claims, muddy the waters of good vs. evil, and somehow make Israel the bad guy again.
This time, the frenzied cries centered around Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II to the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which prohibits the use of booby-traps in certain circumstances. Pseudo-academics like Kenneth Roth could not wait to tell their breathless adherents that IHL unequivocally “prohibits the use of booby traps” — even though it is obvious that if booby traps are prohibited in certain circumstances, they must be permitted in others.
For the record, this is one of those permitted times, and here, with citations, is why.
First, it is important to establish that communication devices ordered by terrorists, issued to terrorists, for terrorist purposes, do not count as harmless civilian objects. Under Article 52 of the Additional Protocols to Geneva Convention I, the communication devices that a designated foreign terrorist organization issues to its operatives are legitimate military targets, and this should not be controversial. The fact that civilians may also use cell phones does not mean that you cannot target a terrorist call center.
Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II provides certain restrictions as to the use of booby traps and other similar devices. Paragraph 1 lists certain categories of objects — religious objects, children’s toys, etc. — for which it is prohibited to use booby traps in all circumstances. The devices in question do not fall under any of those categories.
Paragraph 2 of Article 7 prohibits using booby traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects which are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material. As the U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual explains:
The prohibition is intended to prevent the production of large quantities of dangerous objects that can be scattered around and are likely to be attractive to civilians, especially children.
It has nothing to do with communications devices procured by terrorists for terrorists, devices that were not specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material, and were instead modified to detonate once they clearly became military objects.
Paragraph 3 of Article 7 reminds us that even when permissible any such weapon must be placed “in the close vicinity of a military objective.” It is hard to imagine a more surgically precise procedure than the destruction of personal devices that were (literally) held by terrorists.
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Analyzing the legality of a military operation also requires factoring in the principles of necessity, distinction, and proportionality. The principle of necessity permits actions necessary to accomplish a legitimate military purpose. In this instance, in a single operation, an entire enemy army was significantly impacted, and not only physically – the attack also exposed the Hezbollah network, in Lebanon but also throughout the Middle East where Hezbollah agents or affiliates were carrying these specific Hezbollah issued pagers. The devastating psychological impact also cannot be discounted; Hezbollah can no longer trust their own equipment, cannot communicate (ironically, they are rumored to have switched to pagers out of concerns Israel was monitoring their comms!), and will have to change many elements of their operations with the potential to make further mistakes that can then be exploited.
The principle of distinction requires combatants to distinguish between civilians and military objectives during armed conflict. Here, the attack specifically targeted combatants, members of the Hezbollah army who had received specific Hezbollah equipment that is usually kept on their person. The law does not require perfect accuracy, which is impossible, and that leads to the principle of proportionality: Would such an attack be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects or a combination thereof which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage that is anticipated In this case, not a chance. Recall that Hezbollah has been bombing Israel incessantly for almost a year. In a swift and defensive maneuver — fully legal under Article 51 of the UN Charter — Israel (allegedly) immobilized a large segment of a terrorist organization actively hellbent on the genocidal elimination of the country.
Reports say that a few civilians, including two children, were tragically hurt as well. Innocent civilians getting hurt is absolutely tragic, but not in any way unlawful or Israel’s fault.
The truth is that the entire booby trap framework of analysis is wrong. IF Israel did commit these actions, then it was perhaps the finest and cleanest act of lawful sabotage in military history. As the ICRC explains:
Sabotage is generally the work of individuals or small formations operating in enemy-controlled territory and taking advantage of clandestinity, surprise, and ruses of war. It is generally carried out with great precision and therefore does not usually harm the civilian population. The targets of sabotage must form part of the enemy’s material infrastructure, that is, they must be military objectives. To sum up, sabotage against the enemy is a lawful operation provided the legal rules for the choice of targets and the methods and means employed are respected.
To quote one actual international humanitarian law expert, Eugene Kontorovitch:
Those protesting the attack on Hezbollah cell phones would have been crying over bombs placed on Nazi Germany’s train tracks.
The sad conclusion is this: if you are among those who were silent while Hezbollah committed thousands of undeniable, uncontested, and unprovoked war crimes against innocent Israeli civilians — killing men, women, and children in the process — and yet now find yourself horrified that Israel finally responded in a lawful, targeted manner by neutering (in some cases literally) hundreds of the terrorists who had been indiscriminately attacking them for months — your problem is not with Israel’s actions under international law; it is with Israel’s very existence.
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An American surgeon who volunteered in Gaza https://www.cbsnews.com/video/children-of-gaza/ in an interview that aired Sunday that Israeli snipers were purposely shooting Palestinian children, including toddlers.
“I had children who were shot twice,” said Dr. Mark Perlmutter, who said he was in Gaza at the end of April and the first couple weeks of May. “I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately and directly on the side of the head in the same child.”
In his interview, Perlmutter, vice president of the International College of Surgeons, said what he saw in Gaza was worse than all of the disaster zones he’s seen combined. “Forty mission trips, 30 years, Ground Zero, earthquakes. All of that combined doesn’t equal the level of carnage that I saw against civilians in just my first week in Gaza,” he said.
When asked if the civilians he saw wounded or killed were mostly children, Perlmutter said, “Almost exclusively children. I’ve never seen that before. Never seen that. I’ve seen more incinerated children than I’ve ever seen in my entire life combined. I’ve seen more shredded children in just the first week.”
Asked what he meant by “shredded” children, Perlmutter explained, “Missing body parts, being crushed by buildings, the greatest majority, or bomb explosions, the next greatest majority. We’ve taken shrapnel as big as my thumb out of eight-year-olds.”
Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
Anti Zionism today is worse form of Jewish ( nation ) hatred yes it is worse form of anti semitism today imo yes anti semitism ( it’s meaning has come to mean Jew hatred or prejudice towards Jews ) as it seeks the destruction of the Jewish state .. the notion that these radical left nut jobs who apologise for Islamic jihadi terrorists and use a radical left Jew who happens to be anti Zionists as cover to say “ I like Jews but as long as Jewish state doesn’t exist “ is like I have nothing against Pakistanis but Pakistan Islamic nation must be abolished - oh gee or I have burying against Arabs but all 20 plus Arab states must be abolished.. the audacity and hypocrisy to say one Jewish state now must be abolished . Well it won’t and long live Israel we support you
No mention about Islamic jihadi and Palestinian terrorism and Passover massacres and your audacity to say that a Jewish state has no right to exist in the land that you say only belongs to who ? Arab Hamas ? Arab Arafat ? Or the mufti of Jerusalem who conspired and anticipated a Hitler win to prevent a Jewish state:. Your one sided ignorance is astounding.. the Arabs in the region wanted to initially be part of Greater Syria - there was no great push from the 1920s onwards to even have a Arab state called Palestine ( let alone the fact that a Palestine state never existed ) . Being Jewish is not just adhering to Judaism it is also independently and uniquely an ethnicity similar to being an Arab ( yet being culturally or ethnically Jewish is not monolithic ) . Yet you have the temerity to dictate to Jewish people that are the NOT Jewish based on if they are not religious ( strictly with Judaism ) - the flip side irony being is that IF israel was a Jewish theocracy state ( rather than secular Jewish state ) you would be attacking that too regardless - and if it does become a theocratic Jewish state then it still has a right to exist just any other Arab state / or Islamic state exists as a theocracy ( Saudia arabia ) or simply an Arab state they are all fricken brutal with little civil liberties ( unlike Israel who has some basic civil liberties where 2 M Arab still live in Israel proper ). Jordan is almost 96 % ethnically Arab ( mixed Arab tribes ) so that must be apartheid because they have no Jews and ethnically cleansed them after 1949 from Judea Samaria - funny that - including when Jews were asked to leave from Middle East arab states and went to Israel the Jewish state.. ( thankfully ) the other fact is the MAJORITY of Jewish people are Zionists ( only a small minority of religious Jews 150,000 are technically anti Zionists for religious reasons from the majority of 7 million plus Jews who live in Israel are overwhelmingly rightly Zionists . The other radical left Marxist type hypocritical who say as a Jew are ANTI Zionists tend to be anti western and anti American too and are irrelevant as the majority of Jews in Israel ( 7 million of them are rightly Zionists ) including the world Jewry the majority of world Jewry are Zionists. Israel exists so get over it and all Islamic jihadi terrorists who want it destroyed and attack Israel must be removed . Only the peaceful Arabs who want peace with Israel as a Jewish sovereign state should naturally be allowed to stay and its Israel ( 80 % ethnic Jewish state - not monolithic ) who decides who its citizens will be or its residents will be ( just like Arab Jordan or Arab Saudia Arabia or Italy ( 90 % ethnic italian country ) decides who it’s citizens will be etc
So you're an unhinged, disgusting Islamophobe, trying the utter bullshit line that anti-Zionism is antisemitism. Now, the Zionists who made deals with the Nazis and didn't lift a finger for Jews on the way to the death camps, they were real antisemites.
The true anti-semites are those who maintain that Zionist Israel represents Judaism and Jews. They must truly hate Jews to say that Judaism and its followers promote occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zioraelis for a century.
You must have Anti israel Anti Zionism ( Jewish state / so Anti Jewish nation state ) derangement syndrome so I suggest along with that bogus joker journalist both take some Xanax or valium and get serious help as ISRAEL EXISTS IN LAW AND FACT AS A JEWISH NATION STATE ( JEWISH MAJORITY NATION STATE and there is nothing you can do about it……… You would love to see it dismantled or destroyed - more than half of world Jews live in Israel as proud Zionists ( the next biggest population of Jews are in USA ) and your vile attacks to dismantle Israel as a Jewish a state is anti semitism to them and if it isn’t then Anti Zionism is worse and it’s vile sickness in todays context ( by radical left nut jobs or Islamists who promote it - I don’t mean Muslims and many Arabs either as many Muslims and Arabs are fine people and many are not hostile to Israel either. There are many Arab Zionists in UAE for example… the vast majority of world Jews are Zionists and to them delegitimising Israel and saying it has no right to exist is clearly anti semitic to them and if you want to say it’s different ( then anti Zionism is worse )
- the exceptions meaning the orthodox cult minority Jews who are anti Zionist for religious reasons is irrelevant as they still want Israel but at a later stage in time - and off point - these people are used by Islamists and anti Israel activists to say look we have Jews who want t destroy the Jewish state too - is just pathetic and irrelevant as again the vast majorly of Jews are rightly Zionists…….
Zionist soldiers repeatedly kick a lifeless body of a Palestinian before throwing the body off the roof. Qabatiya, occupied West Bank
Palestine has endured countless sadistic attacks and savagery for the last 100 years and has seen an unprecedented increase in such barbarity since October 7th.
Prisoners have recounted being paraded before the Israeli public in cages, being spat at and having bananas thrown at them. Human rights and recent press reports detail instances where soldiers inserted a mobile phone into a prisoner’s anus and then called it, laughing as it rang inside his body. Soldiers have also taunted prisoners by claiming they were playing soccer with their children’s heads in Gaza. These instances provide only a glimpse into the sadistic behaviour exhibited by Israelis against Palestinians during times of genocide.
The cruelty that has been witnessed through the live stream videos and images emanating from Gaza and the occupied territories has been off the scale. Yesterday Al Jazeera received footage of a young man injured in an air strike in Gaza, huddled in the crater trying to call for help. A Zionist drone obliterated him.
On the 20th September in Qabatiya, occupied West Bank - at least two videos were published showing Zionist forces abusing lifeless Palestinian bodies before flinging them off the roof. The soldiers dragged one body to the edge of the roof, kicked it multiple times before pushing the body over the edge to tumble to the ground.
A second body was swung by the soldiers before being flung from the roof to the ground below. Reports alleged that an Israeli bulldozer was dispatched to retrieve both bodies, denying the return of the dead to their families. A reported three bodies were disposed of in this way.
Ameed Shehadeh, a correspondent for Al-Arabi who also witnessed the incident, told CNN:
“A bulldozer tried to demolish the house to bring the bodies down. That didn’t work. Soldiers went up and kicked and pushed the bodies off the roof, as we have seen.”
Shehadeh also said a fourth body had been thrown off an adjacent roof.
From Al Mayadeeen:
Videos circulating on social media show Israeli occupation forces desecrating and throwing the bodies of Palestinians they killed off a building in the city of Qabatiya in Jenin. Earlier, Al Mayadeen's correspondent reported that Israeli occupation forces stormed Qabatiya, surrounding several Palestinian homes and firing Energa shells at one of them. Our correspondent added that the bodies of several martyrs were on the rooftop of one of the houses after being targeted by the occupation forces, who also prevented ambulance crews from reaching the injured.
The US state department claimed to be “deeply disturbed” but “is waiting for the results of the IDF investigation into the incident”. John Kirby - “"If it's proven to be authentic, it clearly would depict abhorrent and egregious behaviour by professional soldiers”. Effectively asking a mass murderer to investigate a killing spree and find themselves innocent. Imagine this crime carried out by a Russian soldier or by the Syrian Arab Army. Would the US allied response be so muted?
Palestine-based journalist Jonathan Cook wrote the following about the AP coverage of the Zionist rooftop crimes:
The coverage of Israeli soldiers pushing three Palestinians off a roof in the West Bank – it's unclear if they are dead or near-dead – is being barely reported by the western media, even though it was videoed from two different angles and a reporter from the main US news agency Associated Press witnessed it.
AP reported on this some nine hours ago. Its feed is accessed by all western establishment media, so they all know.
Yet again, the media has chosen to ignore Israeli war crimes, even when there is definitive proof that they occurred. (Or perhaps more accurately: even more so when there is definitive proof they occurred.)
Remember, that same media never fails to highlight – or simply make up – any Palestinian crime (such as those non-existent "beheaded babies").
AP itself treats this incident in the West Bank town of Qabatiya as no big deal. It reports that it may be part of a "pattern of excessive force" by Israeli soldiers towards Palestinians.
That comment, without quote marks and ascribed to a human rights group, is almost certainly AP's preferred characterisation of the group's reference to a pattern not of "excessive force" but of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.
AP makes sure to give Israel's pretext for why it is committing war crimes: "Israel says the raids are necessary to stamp out militancy."
But it forgets yet again to mention why that "militancy" exists: because Israel has been violently enforcing an illegal military occupation of the Palestinian territories for many decades, in which it – once again illegally – drafts in an army of settler militias to drive out the native Palestinian population.
AP also forgets to mention that, under international law, the Palestinians have every right to resist Israel's occupying soldiers, including "militantly".
Western governments might characterise Palestinians shooting at Israeli soldiers as "terrorism", but that's not how it is seen in the international law codes that western states drafted decades ago and that they claim to uphold.
It's also worth noting that the local Palestinian reporter who witnessed this crime had his report rewritten by "Julia Frankel, an Associated Press reporter in Jerusalem".
As is true with many other western outlets, AP copy is editorially overseen from Jerusalem, where its office is staffed mostly with Israeli Jews.
Western news outlets doubtless privately rationalise this to themselves as a wise precaution, making sure their copy is "sensitive" to Israel's perspective and less likely to incur the wrath of the Israeli government and Israel lobby.
Which is precisely the problem. The bias in western reporting is baked in. It's designed not to upset Israel – in the midst of a "plausible genocide", according to the World Court – which means it's entirely skewed and completely untrustworthy.
It makes our media utterly complicit in Israel's war crimes, including when Israeli soldiers throw Palestinians off a roof.
War is horrible horrible and it was started by Hamas again who throw Gazans off buildings and torture their own. Of course one should criticise anything wrong someone does. Bin Laden the terrorist was thrown out to sea And if those shooters shot by IDF were terrorists then ditto but if they were innocent then Israel will likely prosecute them. ( unlike Hamas if a Palestinian Gazans in the converse kills a Jew or torture them )
When you ignore and don’t write about Hamas atrocities on Palestinians and distort the whole picture against Israel abd it’s actual existence as I have pointed your blood libels then you are Anti Zionist Anti semite ( anti Jewish state bigot )…
When you say israel shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state itself then you are Anti Jewish state anti Semite and say nothing about the Arab or Islamic states and ignore their atrocities then again you are practising Anti Zionism anti semitism as people like Douglas Murray clearly point out…….
You promote a one sided narrative and you are a fraud even saying israel doesn’t exist itself with meaningless gobble de kook.. you are despicable
Then say israel the Jewish state is a racist state when Jordan and others have an Arab and Islamic state and let in no Jews as citizens ( let alone the fact that being Jewish is not even a race - so your use is fraudulent deceptive like every thing else about your whole one sided narrative
You are selecting bits and pieces from bias or discredited sources and anti Israel sources and or cherry picking choosing to make your own skewered anti Israel Bullshit opinion as fact
Yes mainly misleading and deceptive mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective conclusions ( not facts ) drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish state ) pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same.. you also full of selective inconsistencies and feeble points which even undercut against your own points at times…
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure despicable hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It is hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers clearly did not deploy nearly the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish sovereign state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel ( a Jewish majority sovereign state ) but you side step that. Or perhaps you don’t as that is your toxic goal too and you must be condemned.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
The evil that is Israel is outdoing even Nazi Germany. The Israelis are so debased they do not even attempt to hide their genocidal intent.
And it is this bestial savagery which has rotted within the Israeli state since it invented itself. The poison which drips from Zionist Israel taints the world and Judaism.
Quote: Other prominent Israelis, in recent months, have also called on the military to carry out mass extermination in northern Gaza. “Remove the entire civilian population from the north, and whoever remains there will be lawfully sentenced as a terrorist and subjected to a process of starvation or extermination,” Prof. Uzi Rabi, a senior researcher at Tel Aviv University, elaborated in a radio interview on Sept. 15. And in August, according to a report in Ynet, government ministers had already started pressuring Netanyahu to “cleanse” northern Gaza of its inhabitants.
Another proposal was written in July by several Israeli academics, titled “From a murderous regime to a moderate society: The transformation and reconstruction of Gaza after Hamas.”
According to that plan, which was submitted to Israeli decision-makers, “total defeat” of Hamas is a precondition for starting a process of “deradicalization” of Palestinians in Gaza. “It is important that the Palestinian public also has a broad perception of Hamas’ defeat,” its authors argued, adding: “‘First aid’ can begin in areas purged of Hamas.” One of the proposal’s authors, Dr. Harel Chorev, a senior researcher at the Moshe Dayan Center where Rabi also works, expressed full support for Eiland’s plan.
Since the army has claimed civilians can leave northern Gaza — although soldiers randomly shoot and kill those Palestinian civilians who try to evacuate — it treats anyone who remains in the city as a terrorist. Such a strategy aligns with what Lt. Col. A., commander of the Israeli Air Force’s drone squadron, told Ynet in August about the operation to rescue hostages in Nuseirat Camp: “Whoever did not flee, even if he was unarmed, as far as we were concerned, was a terrorist. Everyone we killed should have been killed.”
To those reading the posts from James Jenkins, he is saying that the atrocities committed by the Nazis in WWII were on an equal basis as any violence from those they oppressed, including the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.
His position is that violence, at levels of true savagery, committed by Israel to maintain occupation and colonisation of Palestine is to be equated with violence, at minimal levels, committed by the Palestinians in their lawful fight for justice and freedom from occupation.
By any stretch of law and imagination his position is ridiculous.
I am not replying to you. I am correcting your disinformation for others.
This colonial war against Palestine was started by Zionists and Jews in the 1920’s when Jewish terrorist gangs began their bloody rampage throughout Palestine, paving the way for the Zionist invasion of genocidal ethnic cleansing in 1947.
Since then the Zioraelis have maintained a level of sadistic and bestial savagery against the Palestinians which ranks as some of the worst in history, as they have continued to take more of Palestine and dispossess its people.
There is absolutely nothing that the Palestinian Resistance and Hamas has ever done which comes close to the barbaric savagery and cruelty of the Israelis toward the Palestinians.
And since any violence committed by Palestinians has been a just and legal fight for freedom and justice in their homeland and all violence committed by Zioraelis has been an unjust fight to steal someone else’s country and to exterminate or expel its native people, then logic and law decree that the Palestinians are the victims and the Israelis the evil oppressors.
Mufti of Jerusalem sided with Hitler to prevent a Jewish state on the gamble that Hitler would win and help kill more Jews so go for it . The only bigot is you. As for religion in the region. Blood libels and spreading lies and comparing Israel or zionsm to Hitter is just another blood libel and is anti semitism . Saying israel shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state but Arab states can exist again is anti semitism ( jew nation prejudice hatred yes - anti semitism means discrimination against the Jewish people for having a Jewish state absolutely ) . Of course you can legitimately criticise or protest against it’s government like Netanyahu like many Israelis do ( gee you can’t do that in Iran or Saudis Arabia or Jordan or Syria much without being murdered or jailed )
Nearly Every other Arab / islamic state or region in the area including the Palestinian authority ( not to mention Hamas ) has an officially established religion Islam and discriminates both in law and in fact against non Muslims - especially Jews. Israel in contrast ( for years ) is in practice ( although a Jewish state ) secular state that is religiously and racially pluralistic with freedom of religion for all. Moreover, several other Arab states and the Palestinian authority have laws of return, and Jordan has laws prohibiting Jews from becoming citizens, but only Israel - whose law grew out of a history of Jews being slaughtered because no other state or Palestine under the British mandate would accept refugees - is condemned by hypocritical radical left bigots and Islamists for its law of return which has the right to do
The religion being persecuted today is Islam. In Palestine it is both Islam and Christianity at the hands of the Israeli colonial savages.
You never get your comparisons correct. If Pakistan was doing what Israel is doing and has been doing for nearly 80 years, then, like Israel, Pakistan should be eradicated, dismantled, abolished. But Pakistan is not doing what Israel is doing. In fact no other State is, certainly none claiming to be Western democracies as Israel does.
Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
Israel has multiple religions being practised within Israel and yet please tell me is Judaism and Synagogues or Jewish people even allowed in Gaza or Westbank administered by PA ? No Gaza is Islamic jihadi ruled with no Jews
Also even so called moderate Jordan destroyed Synagoge and threw Jews out when they annexed Westbank
Can Tibetans even vote ? So Rosy isn’t?? if they could should just vote in Hamas ( like westbank Palestinians ) would . There is no comparison to Tibetans actions and Hamas Palestinians Arafat actions with Passover massacres etc and of Tibetans did that they would be slaughtered and yet now Tibetans are suppressed and can’t vote under Chinese rule anyway ( well perhaps Israel should try that and fully annex Westbank instead of trying what they did in 2000 with Arafat and offer them a state AND instead of WITHDRAWING from Gaza in 2005 they should just annex kill all the jihadi and Arab Islamic terrorists and give peaceful Palestinians residency some liberal quality of life like Costa Rica ( Tibetans are suppressed and can’t vote anyway ) .. but you support islamic terrorism as wait “ resistance “ and the destruction of Israel ( do Tiberius seek the destruction of China ? No you fool
Oh dear. What an amazingly absurdly ignorant rant which has no basis in reality. You really are making a fool of yourself. At the very least, I suggest you do some genuine study into this issue, if you are capable of it. What you have written in this thread so far is as ignorant and fallacious as the claims of Donald Trump.
Just do confirm for completeness -criticism of Israel is clearly NOT deemed anti semitism and nor should it ever be. That is absurd as so many Israelis do and should criticise Israel policies and their government including Netanyahu - eg removing court powers was wrong - disagreeing how to save hostages etc etc allowing Oct 7 to happen lack of Israel - there was wide agreement that Hamas must be dismantled and Israel having a right to defend itself - but avoiding killings which is difficult when Hamas militant terrorists is embedded in the infrastructure of civilian areas - hence the tragedy and delay all round. Clearly Hamas are not the freedom fighters as it had the opposite effect on any sane view
But anti Zionism in the context of Hamas and Hezbollah manifestos and radical left types radicals who call them resistance is a form of genocidal anti semitism as it obviously they all seek the destruction of the Jewish nation homeland nation Zion state called Israel
For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
Westbank was part of Jordan for 20 years and lost it after 67 war to who not to Palestine state as they rejected it - how odd you twist it otherwise
UN WATCH
The nation with biggest Jewish population is Israel and are proud Zionists ( 7.2 million Jews in the Jewish state - followed by USA of over 5 M
I state this fact and you ridiculous try and absurdly conflate and twist facts
The whole western world accepts it now as a Jewish state for over 50 years now - advocacy
You repeat constantly disinformation and a fringe belief that israel is not even Jewish state and should not exist - that is hardly the push among western governments not now and not ever.
The disputed Palestinian territories outside Israel proper borders THAT CAN ONLY BE NEGOTIATED BY ISRAEL AND NON JIHADI MODERATE PALESTINIANS with land swaps a different story and we can endless debates about that ( sure the consensus has been for a two state solution and a future Palestinian seperate Arab state within the disputed territories that already partly have autonomy rule within a state of Israel which I and countless of Israelis and other Arab states believed should finally happen in for example 2000 that Arafat rejected after the most left wing Israel governments offered them 94 % of WB with land swaps and proceeded with Passover type massacres for 5 years ( - but cannot happen now with Islamic terrorism oh Oct 7 ) not your tripe nonsense that Israel shouldn’t exist at all - that’s hardly the mainstream push by sensible Westen government around the world only extreme radical left types like you and Islamist jihadi with manifesto to destroy Israel )
Alternatively there is some push to have a type of confederate confederation two nations within seperate state with a costs rica system again more autonomy with a PALESTINIAN Authority and UAE and Saudia arabia / Jordan helping to administer with Palestinian governing entity in area a and b and Gaza - Israel being more stable stronger state in the area helping security and ridding the place of Islamic jihadi extremists..
Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
My comment was not directed to you nor to anyone in particular. It was directed at people who claim, explicitly or implicitly, that criticism of Israel is antisemitism.
You can criticise israel like most Israelis do and want to vote out Netanyahu
I critised the rot within Palestinian society who could have had a seperate state ( yes I have always believed in a two state solution in principle ) but they rejected from 1937 to 2008 and most Israelis have lost faith after the second wave of Arab Islamic terrorism from the West Bank ( and Gaza ) into Israel from 2000 to 2005
Criticising Islamic terrorism that is what I do
As the so called ‘ son of Hamas ‘ stated Palestinianism has been all about destroying the Jewish state not about creating one of their own otherwise they would have one already ( granted some do one want but they had bad leadership )
What is also overlooked is that Israel is a military state where most adult citizens serve in the military or remain reservists.
It does not have a real standing army which only fights. People can either work and keep the economy afloat or fight and keep the occupation in place. They cannot do both.
I also suspect 5000 have been killed and the official figure of around 10,000 injured/permanently maimed many of them, is closer to 15-20,000. Such figures are always lied about.
So, not only are soldiers not working, neither are wounded soldiers working and the State must carry the cost of hospital, rehabilitation and support.
I suspect this latest phase of the ongoing colonial war has really hit Israel hard and yet all they can do is lie about it to themselves and others.
As Retired Israeli Major-General, Yitzhak Brik said recently, if the war does not end Israel is likely to collapse in a year.
James Jenkins -You are clearly incapable of comprehending realities.
Lebanon cannot be destroyed without taking Israel with it. Palestine cannot be destroyed without taking Israel with it.
Israel lost this colonial war long ago. Hamas defeated the Israeli Extermination Army in Gaza and the Lebanese will defeat them as well.
If Israel keeps killing, bombing and waging war, it just brings its end that much faster. You see, the world simply will not tolerate Israel exterminating 16 million Palestinians, half in the Diaspora, which it would need to do to have a final solution to its Palestine Problem.
And the world will not tolerate, not even the Americans, Israel trying to exterminate another 6 million - magic number - in Lebanon. It will not happen.
Israel is irrelevant to the world. A tiny thug of a country which will not be missed. However, Israel cannot survive without the world and if its airports, military bases and ports are closed, Israel will not last a week. Already half the colonists have left and gone back to where they came from. They continue to leave and they will not come back because there will be nothing to which they can come back. Israel is over.
You can kill people but you cannot kill an idea. Even if Israel managed to exterminate 6 million Christians and Muslims in Occupied Palestine - the magic number - there are still another 10 million Palestinians who will continue to fight for their homeland. Two million in what is called Israel for the moment and 8 million in the Diaspora.
The Israelis must rank as some of the most stupid people in history. Instead of working to make friends, you know, win hearts and minds, with the Palestinians and their neighbours they have done everything possible to make them hate Israel with a passion. Understandably so. Israel is a rogue state, a racist, fascist, genocidal, savage state with a sadistic barbarian culture.
How to destroy yourself is to act as Israel as acted, to believe the insanities Israelis believe and to act with such sadistic savagery that eventually the point is reached where most people in the world just want you eradicated.
Mufti of Jerusalem sided with Hitler to prevent a Jewish state on the gamble that Hitler would win and help kill more Jews so go for it . The only bigot is you. As for religion in the region. Blood libels and spreading lies and comparing Israel or zionsm to Hitter is just another blood libel and is anti semitism . Saying israel shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state but Arab states can exist again is anti semitism ( jew nation prejudice hatred yes - anti semitism means discrimination against the Jewish people for having a Jewish state absolutely ) . Of course you can legitimately criticise or protest against it’s government like Netanyahu like many Israelis do ( gee you can’t do that in Iran or Saudis Arabia or Jordan or Syria much without being murdered or jailed )
Nearly Every other Arab / islamic state or region in the area including the Palestinian authority ( not to mention Hamas ) has an officially established religion Islam and discriminates both in law and in fact against non Muslims - especially Jews. Israel in contrast ( for years ) is in practice ( although a Jewish state ) secular state that is religiously and racially pluralistic with freedom of religion for all. Moreover, several other Arab states and the Palestinian authority have laws of return, and Jordan has laws prohibiting Jews from becoming citizens, but only Israel - whose law grew out of a history of Jews being slaughtered because no other state or Palestine under the British mandate would accept refugees - is condemned by hypocritical radical left bigots and Islamists for its law of return which has the right to do
As a Former Hostage of the Palestinian Resistance, I Refuse to Support Genocide
Reckoning and dealing with Israel's culpability, not vengeance, is the only path to ending this recurring nightmare.
By Catherine Hodes , Truthout
PublishedSeptember 18, 2024
I was a hostage in 1970 at age 13, caught in global events that were beyond my capacity to comprehend. I was held, together with my younger sister, for a week under difficult conditions. It began when the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine commandeered our aircraft not long after we left Frankfurt, a stopover on our trip from Israel to New York City, where we lived. I had visited close relatives in Tel Aviv six times in my short life, usually during summer vacations from school. This trip home began like all the others, but soon turned into a traumatic odyssey, beginning with the screams of passengers as a man ran toward the cockpit brandishing a gun.
Many frightening hours later, we landed in the Jordan desert as captives. Outside the window of the plane in which we were trapped, I could see trucks mounted with machine guns, tents and supplies, and people dressed in fatigues and keffiyehs. Two other hijacked planes landed alongside us. The next day, I saw dynamite being wired through the plane’s cabin; a serious man questioned me as to why I had been in Israel, and required me to relinquish my American passport. I was hot and dirty and hungry and scared. I concentrated on watching over my younger sister who seemed numb and pale with shock. Over the days I spent in the desert, Jewish passengers were separated and a select group of non-Jews were released. Babies wailed, passengers prayed, including those who donned Tefillin in the aisles, swaying and davening. The Palestinian commandos in charge of the planes brought medications for sick hostages, played jump rope with children, fed hundreds of people, and told us their stories (termed propaganda by news outlets).
My sister and I were released six days after our ordeal began. Along with most of the other hostages (some though, remained captive), we were driven in small trucks through the desert, through the city of Amman, then flown to Cyprus for processing, and finally returned home to family, school and friends. In spite of nightmares and disruptions, it never occurred to me that anyone should pay for what had happened to us. Instead, I wondered why it had happened.
I had been raised in a secular Jewish family, no Bat Mitzvah, no planting trees in Israel, and only celebrating Passover when invited to others’ Seders. But like most every New York Jew with roots in Ashkenazi Europe, I absorbed the notion of a Jewish State as naturally as drinking water or breathing air. My childhood visits to Israeli relatives involved beaches, adventure, food, a new language, and children to run around and play with. I was also aware of relatives in army fatigues carrying weapons, the placement of tape over windows, and bomb shelter directions; things a young child might not think about too deeply. But of course, I grew up and began to recall those images and ponder them.
I vividly remember an argument I had in my twenties with a close friend, also Jewish, who stated that the Holocaust demanded the establishment of the State of Israel. Although at the time I could not have discussed the alternative concept of Jewish diasporism, I remember saying, “Why does establishing a safe place for Jews mean herding us all into one small area, as if other places should not be safe for us? And why must the people in that area, who had nothing to do with the Holocaust, be eradicated? How does safety for Jews lead to the destruction of a whole other people?”
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Israel Has Built an Economy Fueled by Genocide at Home and Abroad
With the help of the US, Israel exports instruments of oppression abroad, while testing them against Palestinians.
By Ciudong Ng , TruthoutSeptember 1, 2024
Later, my learning continued. I learned that the hijackers who held 300 hostages on three planes in the desert were not religious zealots. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine was a secular group with a Marxist-Leninist ideology, whose goal was to establish one socialist democratic Palestinian state. They were political revolutionaries, seeking justice, to be heard and to return home. But it wasn’t until the Second Intifada in 2000 that I personally began to understand Israel’s provocations and aggression, its goal to undermine an independent Palestinian state with growing numbers of armed and illegal settlements, increasing civilian deaths, and the razing of thousands of farms and homes. The murder of American Rachel Corrie in 2003, along with the violent retaliation by Israel towards Palestinian people protesting injustice, further reified why I had been held hostage 30 years earlier — a tiny figure in a vast and bloody landscape of occupation, colonialism and genocide, which I was painfully beginning to grasp.
In spite of nightmares and disruptions, it never occurred to me that anyone should pay for what had happened to us. Instead, I wondered why it had happened.
Six hostages were found dead in a tunnel on September 1. My heart breaks for today’s hostages. I know what my parents went through while I was being held captive. What the families of today’s hostages are enduring is indescribably searing. Will they find comfort in the deaths of tens of thousands of people in the names of their loved ones? My own father wanted to fly to Jordan and rescue us. Our captivity took a great toll. Never though, did he articulate wanting revenge or retaliation. The only words I recall were expressions of sorrow about the intractability of global politics, and the rising death toll in Palestine. The agonizing experience of being a hostage causes me to resonate deeply with the closing off of the Gaza Strip, the families trapped there, and the Palestinians held hostage to Israeli policy and in Israeli prisons.
At 13, I thought the United States might drop bombs on the hijackers who held us. In fact, years later, I learned this was Nixon’s plan, which was discouraged by Melvin Laird, his secretary of defense. As a child, I was as afraid of the American bombs as I was of my captor’s dynamite. There was no difference. I didn’t want to die; I didn’t want anyone to die. I wanted to go home to my family, my community. In my experience, and the experience of current Israeli hostages and their families, calls for vengeance and overpowering force create more danger and serve to intensify the conditions that caused the hostage-taking in the first place.
Jews will never find safety or live our values by laying claim to a small and ancient strip of land, not deserted and unloved as the Zionists, influenced by European colonizers, insisted, but filled with people and farms and villages with names. Jews belong everywhere. Everywhere we live, everywhere we contribute, including the places where we were once exiled and murdered. Living in the diaspora while maintaining connection to our culture and identity is the way Jews have survived for millennia with our values and humanity intact.
Were it not for the genocide carried out in our names over the last 75 years, perhaps we would also be living peacefully and productively in Palestine.
Hiam Abbas is a famous actress but many fans of series such as 'Succession' and 'Ramy' are probably unaware she's Palestinian. Even cinephiles may not realise because her best movies are arguably 'In Syria' and 'I Still Hide to Smoke' (set in Algeria). But we don't see white English women continually playing roles as Swedes, Czechs and French. Colonialsim has different effect. Her 2020 movie, 'Gaza, My Love', offers a clue but it isn't widely distributed. Yeah, I'm being long-winded, but my point is that you should look back to 2008 when she was the lead in 'Lemon Tree' which is described as "the story of a Palestinian widow who must defend her lemon tree field when a new Israeli Defense Minister moves next to her, and threatens to have her lemon grove torn down." - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_j1llK3Fco
You assert many things in your recent article as facts but many are not - they are just your one sided narrative and wishful thinking - it’s actually despicable and dishonest and misleading and deceptive with respect..
Roger Hawcroft looks at typos to deflect from the actual blatant bogus narrative being peddled here . I am patient and I will continue to state this fact when one sided flawed narratives are being peddled. So you ought to take note or follow your own advice and either stop embarrassing yourself with pointless deflections and sanctimony including stop being misleading.. … i multi task while I’m typing here so of-course there may be spelling errors or is that snelling oppos spelling
PALESTINE DOES NOT EXIST AS A NATION STATE IT NEVER DID. ISRAEL DOES… PERIOD !! IF I DECIDE TO ADD MORE AT A LATER TIME I WILL BUT ITS VIRTUALLY POINTLESS TO BIGOTED PEOPLE WHO PEDDLE RUBBISH AND IGNORE OTHER VITAL FACTS
On the contrary. I know almost all the facts. I don’t follow a one sided narrative that does not contain all the facts. Fact Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed. Palestine never existed as a country nation state for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one. Fact is israel exists as a nation state so deal with it and accept or move away you are wasting your time with dire tribe otherwise seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
You don't. No matter where you start a lie nor where you take it will prevent it being a lie. Therefore, as you claim the facts convey a false narrative, when they actually tell the true story, you may as well stay silent and not embarrass or shame yourself.
All lies mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective opinions drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionists pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same..
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers and that did not reply the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel but you side step that.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
Most sane people of conscience and intelligence are anti-Zionism for the same reason they were anti-Nazism and are anti-Fascist.
The Dahiya doctrine is genocide in the name of fascist bigotry.
When Israel gets things exploding in homes, public places, cars, offices, shops it will not be able to complain having set the precedent.
Hezbollah is a militia which the Israelis helped set up. They love their enemies to have Islamic links. They need their enemies to have Islamic links.
Hezbollah is fighting to end Israeli occupation in Lebanon and just as the Allies sided with those occupied by the Germans, so they side with those occupied by the Israelis. Simple logic. And justice.
Hezbollah and Hamas are designated to be, there's the word, yay, Islamic, terrorist entities by the Israelis and those they influence. They are no more terrorists than were the French and Polish Resistance.
A lot of Jews want to bring the state of Zionist Israel to an end as do all people of intelligence and conscience.
Hezbollah wants to destroy Israeli aggression. The Israelis have attacked Lebanon so many times, littered it with cluster bombs, assassinated, pulled off the silo explosion and slaughtered their way around their neighbour too often for the Lebanese not to hate them.
As a military colonial occupier, and it still occupies part of Lebanon, Israel has no right to self-defence. There is no right to self defence against those you occupy and exterminate.
Your bullshit levels are impressive. Go and read the latest Hamas charter, 2017 and get facts not your opinion.
Iran has nothing to do with Israeli savagery, except to be on the receiving end of it.
Jews can vote out Governments in Israel, non-Jews cannot. Six million Palestinians under Israeli colonial rule get no vote at all. And any study of Israel makes it clear that the movers and shakers ensure that even jewish votes do not count for much. It is a corrupt fascist tyranny.
THERE ARE NO ISRAELI CITIZENS. There is only Jewish nationality. Israelis do not exist. Only Jews have rights in Jewdistan, otherwise known as Israel, for the moment.
You can repeat it all you like but no occupier has a right to self defense.
Technically speaking Israel does not exist and I do not define who is Jewish, facts, reality, logic define who is Jewish and that is a follower of Judaism. Always was.
Jews DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO A HOMELAND. NO RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO A HOMELAND.
If religions did have a right to a homeland it would be where their religion was invented. For Jews that would be Iraq and Christians would have a right to Palestine. Fortunately no such right exists.
Israel was always weak. Any State founded in bigotry, hatred, paranoid fear and violence is weak.
And your diatribe blaming Hamas does not wash. No-one believes it because they know the truth. They know there is nowhere to run in Gaza. They know it is a prison.
They know Israel bombs places it has told people are safe.
They know Israeli snipers shoot toddlers in the head and heart and pregnant women in the stomach.
They know the Israeli forces destroy hospitals and execute doctors, nurses, patients and toss their bodies into pits.
They know the Israeli forces crush the dying, dead and injured underneath their tanks.
They know the Israelis torture and rape men, women and children.
They know the Israelis bomb water facilities.
They know the Israelis refuse water, food, medical aid.
They know the Israelis are starving the Palestinians because they have said so.
They know the Israelis lie, kill and steal.
All of this is fact and data recorded by Israeli and international human rights groups.
And you are saying the Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto where there was also nowhere to run or hide, were using civilians as human shields, because they dared to resist their occupiers. Shame on you. That is a disgraceful position to take.
If that’s what you believe - a flawed false narrative of Palestine then I say to you should practise what you preach and STAY SILENT before embarrassing yourself and get educated on the facts - you would even deflect the fact that Palestine never existed as country or nation state so your narrative you peddle with others is flawed and broken. Oppressor / oppressed matrix yes ? Lol
You are saying that a country which others deem not to be a country even though the historical facts declare that it is, has no rights? You are trying to use a ridiculous and easily disproven argument that because Palestine was not a country then the European colonists who invaded and now call themselves Israelis, have a right to commit colonial genocidal ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture, theft on the people of Palestine.
What an appalling claim to make. In a civilized world, our modern world everyone has human rights and NO-ONE, not even racist Zionists and Jews have a right to subject anyone to one of the most sadistic, savage, bestial and evil military colonial occupations in history.
I realise Israelis and many of their supporters are brainwashed and bigoted, which does diminish intelligence, but either you make a case to prove your position or we conclude it has no substance and you cannot.
Palestine has a history going back more than 5000 years according to Egyptologists. We have maps, records, letters, reports, drawings, etchings, paintings, and then photographs of Palestine and Palestinians going back thousands of years. The delusional claim Palestine did not exist is ridiculous.
Palestine was a country even if it was not a nation state. The concept of nation state is historically recent, first mooted in the 18th century and only becoming a reality in the 19th century. Neither Italy or Germany were nation states until the late 19th century, but if you told them they did not exist prior to this point, despite being countries for thousands of years, they would rightly conclude you were insane.
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself can rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel but again is today and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
I believe what is supported by facts and evidence. What you are saying to me is of no consequence for it is based on neither.
Before the Arabs helped the British to overcome the Ottomans, after which Britain went back on its promise and eventually, along with other European powers and a more reluctant USA, they gave in to a Zionist lobby and created the State of Israel. It was perfidy from the start.
Zionism was founded in terrorism and so was Zionist Israel. One reason the UN made the recommendation for partition was fear of Zionist terrorism. And they gave the illegal European colonists most of Palestine, knowing they planned to take it all, and hoping it would slow them down. Which it did not.
The partition of Palestine was illegal, immoral and one of the most barbaric colonial exercises in history.
Zionist terrorism, behind the scenes, has never stopped. It is now why the US Government and President are run by Zionist agendas and why many countries in Europe and the UK, Australia, Canada and others, are not taking a stand as they should.
Unfortunately fascist movements thrive in the fertile soil of cowardice and most humans are cowards. Those who are not the Zionists assassinate.
You assert many things in your recent article as facts but many are not - they are just your one sided narrative and wishful thinking - it’s actually despicable and dishonest and misleading and deceptive with respect..
I've recommended that movie to all my friends.. They're invariably shocked at the details...
Americans (among others) are susceptible to propaganda & Israel has been able to spew its propaganda for a VERY long time while labeling Palestinians as uncultured liars if not terrorists.
Hi, HulitC. I'd like to add to that recommendation. 'Omar' is one of the BEST and most EFFECTIVE movies about Palestine/Israel. Essential viewing, and newcomers can especially appreciate it as its done as a dark romance under occupation. The same director did 'Paradise Now' and 'Huda's Salon' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuvO65EPWFo
There are many excellent documentaries, but '5 Broken Cameras' will be understood by all parents except the most self-righteously bloodthirsty - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_93nOqwmhU
The first message I received after crossposting your article was: "Stop spreading the 'holocaust' shit you have fed by the Zionist Edomites. Go do your homework about the so-called 'gas chambers'. Wake up!!" Tsk, tsk. Reason alone to keep teaching the truth.
Yes mainly misleading and deceptive mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective conclusions ( not facts ) drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish state ) pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same.. you also full of selective inconsistencies and feeble points which even undercut against your own points at times…
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure despicable hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It is hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers clearly did not deploy nearly the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish sovereign state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel ( a Jewish majority sovereign state ) but you side step that. Or perhaps you don’t as that is your toxic goal too and you must be condemned.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
Israel was founded in genocidal invasion, ethnic cleansing and slaughter in someone else’s country, Palestine.
The Palestinians called on their allies to help them just as the French and Poles did against German invaders. The only difference is the Palestinians and their allies lost. But the just cause was the same in all cases of resistance.
Jews had no right to take a slab of Palestine and the UN had no right to recommend they could. None of it was legal. Jews are a religion and no religion has a right to a grain of sand on planet earth.
The Palestinians had every right to want to drive the Zionists and Jewish invaders into the sea.All invaded and occupied people want that.
So, you are saying if the Germans had won then it would have been okay for them to keep Germany, Poland and any other country they took by force?
BULLSHIT the Arabs asked Palestinians to leave. They left because the Zionist policy was to murder and maim as many as they could and destroy their homes so they had to leave.
Judea and Samaria were ancient tribal groups which disappeared thousands of years ago. They exist only in religious fairy stories.
You may disagree with Ben Gurion but the statements are sourced and they are fact.
The first female PM of Israel was Ukrainian, a colonist. SHE WAS NOT FROM PALESTINE. Meir is born Goldie Mabovitch on May 3, 1898 in Kiev, Ukraine (then part of Russia).
You need to update your AI helper. Being a colonist does not require a country to be colonising. A colonist is someone who takes someone else’s country as their own.
By any definition of terrorism and the history of Israel it is a terrorist state. There is no Jewish nation. Jews are a religion and religions do not make a nation.
Most Jews do not live in what is called Israel for the moment, never did and never will.
Being Jewish is not an ethnicity. If it were then every religion would be an ethnicity and none are.
If Judaism had never been invented no Jew would exist. If all religions were banned tomorrow no Jew would exist. IT IS A RELIGION WHICH REQUIRES A belief in the god of the religion. There is no such thing as an atheist/secular Jew.
Thank you for admitting Israel is not the Western democracy it claims to be. You compare it to Islamic fundamentalist states like Saudi Arabia and I agree with you on that.
Sure Israel can decide who its citizens are and if it stipulated being Jewish, a religion, then it is not a democracy. There you go. We agree on that.
I do not support genocide and Israel is not committing genocide . It is Hamas that has attempted genocide innocent Israelis on Oct 7 and prior.. no I do not support anything inhumane but your assertions attributed to Hamas and Islamic jihadi and its racism - where are the Jews in Gaza after 2005 when ISREAL withdrew ? Where are the Jews in the 20 plus ethno - nationalist almost pure Arab states ? None so your hypocrisy and ignore face and double standard is telling. So those Arab states are not racist but Israel set up as Jewish majority state is ? Ok yeah righto. Get lost
Even the first Israeli Prime Minister, a terrorist from the start, admitted to genocide- the theft and eradication of Palestine.
"Let's not tell stories... Politically, we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... It is their country, because they live there, whereas we want to come here and colonize, and from their point of view, we want to take over their country."
David Ben Gurion speech in 1936
Quoted by Simha Flapan,
"Zionism and the Palestinians", 1979.
"If I were a Palestinian leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It's normal; we took their country. It is not that God has promised us this, but how could this concern them? Our God is not theirs. There was anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was it their fault? They only see one thing: we came and stole their country. Why should they accept this?"
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
Either talk about Jews, Muslims, Christians or Arabs and Anglo-speakers or Europeans which is the origin for most Israelis.
And dear me, people who compare Israel to non democratic Middle Eastern countries want their cake and to eat it all.
Since Israel claims to be a Western democracy, that is the bar it has set and that is the bar by which it is judged. Please name one other Western democracy, founded through colonisation, which does to the native people what Israel does to the Palestinians. There are none.
Please name one other Western democracy which decrees only followers of one religion can have nationality, that all others are subhuman and that only the supremacist religion can have power and must be a majority. There are none.
Israel is committing genocide. Israel was founded in genocide and plans for genocidal ethnic cleansing are clearly recorded in Zionist and Israeli histories.
Genocide is the policy of seeking to eradicate/exterminate a group, country, culture, nation and that is exactly what Zionist Israel has always had as policy.
Israel did not withdraw from Gaza in 2005. It turned it into a concentration camp. Israel as the military colonial ruler issues ID cards to every single Palestinian including those in the Gaza prison. I will post you an article written by Amira Hass in the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, correcting Israelis who present the same misinformation that you do.
Feb 12, 2024 5:37 pm IST
S., who lives in a Gaza border community, asked me several questions that I've heard from others, too. With his knowledge, I'm publishing an initial reply here to his letter. He wrote:
"I'm a regular reader of Haaretz and of your articles. As a resident of a Gaza border community, I'm trying to understand your take on what has happened in the Gaza Strip since the disengagement. Why, in your opinion, did the strongest resistance emerge from the place where Israel canceled the occupation?
The Israeli occupation was not canceled. Israel continued its highhanded control of the lives of the Gaza Strip's residents and Gaza's development options.
"For years, people have been shouting that all the major problems stem from the occupation. And here a small experiment to cancel the occupation was conducted. The Palestinians could have built themselves a model mini-state there. Instead, they preferred to invest the money in a war against Israel. Do you have an explanation for that?"
Shalom Reader S.,
First of all, the Israeli occupation was not canceled. Israel continued its highhanded control of the lives of the Gaza Strip's residents and Gaza's development options, well after Israel dismantled the settlements and army bases located there. Second, as per the Oslo Accords, to which Israel is a signatory, the Gaza Strip is not a separate entity but an integral part of the Palestinian territory occupied in 1967.
According to the Palestinians, and according to international opinion, this territory was supposed to become the Palestinian state. The facts that Israel severed the Gazan population from the West Bank's and that Israelis have continued to treat an isolated Gaza, which is 365 square kilometers in size and lacks resources, as a separate entity, are in themselves evidence of Israeli control over it – and of Israeli chutzpah to boot.
I can't quote what I've written in hundreds and perhaps thousands of articles. So I'll be brief: Prime Minister Ariel Sharon neither consulted with the leadership of the Palestinian Authority about the disengagement, nor did he coordinate its implementation with that limited self-rule government, which in 2005 was not split yet between Fatah and Hamas. Sharon followed a gradual track that Israel outlined from the early 1990s, while doing a good job of concealing its severity and significance during the Oslo process: creating a regime of prohibitions and restrictions on the Palestinians' freedom of movement, while creating Palestinian enclaves. On January 15, 1991 Israel began this comprehensive policy, and its immediate result, which worsened over the years, was cutting off the population of Gaza from the West Bank and from the world.
Israel Should Disengage - Again - From Gaza
Sharon continued his predecessors' work. The draconian siege imposed by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Gaza in 2007 was a quantitative change, but not a change in essence. This consistent policy indicates the forethought behind the action: not an experiment to cancel the occupation, but one of the ways to prevent the establishment of the Palestinian state based on the plan that the Palestine Liberation Organization and the international community saw before their eyes.
The continued Israeli domination over the Gaza Strip, up until October 7, was manifested in several ways. The first is its total control of the Palestinian population registry, which includes Gaza's residents. It is Israel that decides who is permitted to carry the ID card of a resident of Gaza or the West Bank. Every detail – including place of residence – registered in the ID card, which the PA technically issues, requires Israeli approval. Even natives of Gaza, whose residency status Israel revoked before 1994, cannot renew it without Israel's approval.
The severance from the West Bank (and from Israel) critically damaged the capabilities for economic development in the Gaza Strip. In any case, Gaza has been in a state of economic deterioration or stagnation since 1967 due to deliberate steps that Israel adopted. Israel controls not only the border crossings but also Gaza's aerial and maritime space, which means it doesn't permit Gazans to exercise their right to freedom of movement via the sea and air.
Israel also uses this control to restrict the Palestinian fishing industry, prevent Palestinians from using the gas reserves discovered in Gazan waters and control the wireless frequencies necessary for technological development. By controlling imports and exports, it restricts the ability and feasibility of domestic production. Israel continues to control income from customs payments. Egypt – whether for fear that the Gazans will settle there, political opposition to severing Gaza from the West Bank or obedience to Israeli dictates – hasn't opened the Rafah border to free movement of Palestinians and foreigners.
Whether deliberately or inadvertently, Sharon's unilateral move weakened the PA, which adhered to the negotiations route. Thus, he awarded a prize to the Hamas movement, which claimed that only the "armed struggle" that it practiced during the Second Intifada, while improving its military capabilities – could force the Israeli army to withdraw, not negotiations and a signed agreement.
That's what many Palestinians thought and still think. It's no wonder that several months after the disengagement, in January 2006, Hamas won a majority of the seats in the election for the Palestinian parliament (but not a majority of the votes of the electorate).
First we have to answer the question as to why Israel did everything possible to thwart the establishment of the small Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Then we can move on to trying to explain why the residents of the besieged and cut-off "mini-state" that it shaped in Gaza felt like lifetime prisoners, at a time when their brothers in the West Bank live under the violent rule of the expanding settlement enterprise. And afterwards, at the first opportunity, we'll talk about the illusion or about the delusion or about the armed struggle project.
By any definition of blood libel, nothing I have said fits that charge.
blood libel
noun
an accusation that Jewish people used the blood of Christians in religious rituals, especially in the preparation of Passover bread, that was perpetrated throughout the Middle Ages and (sporadically) until the early 20th century.
I have presented facts. You have to refute them to be credible.
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
Israel was founded in genocidal invasion, ethnic cleansing and slaughter in someone else’s country, Palestine.
The Palestinians called on their allies to help them just as the French and Poles did against German invaders. The only difference is the Palestinians and their allies lost. But the just cause was the same in all cases of resistance.
Jews had no right to take a slab of Palestine and the UN had no right to recommend they could. None of it was legal. Jews are a religion and no religion has a right to a grain of sand on planet earth.
The Palestinians had every right to want to drive the Zionists and Jewish invaders into the sea.All invaded and occupied people want that.
So, you are saying if the Germans had won then it would have been okay for them to keep Germany, Poland and any other country they took by force?
BULLSHIT the Arabs asked Palestinians to leave. They left because the Zionist policy was to murder and maim as many as they could and destroy their homes so they had to leave.
Judea and Samaria were ancient tribal groups which disappeared thousands of years ago. They exist only in religious fairy stories.
You may disagree with Ben Gurion but the statements are sourced and they are fact.
The first female PM of Israel was Ukrainian, a colonist. SHE WAS NOT FROM PALESTINE. Meir is born Goldie Mabovitch on May 3, 1898 in Kiev, Ukraine (then part of Russia).
You need to update your AI helper. Being a colonist does not require a country to be colonising. A colonist is someone who takes someone else’s country as their own.
By any definition of terrorism and the history of Israel it is a terrorist state. There is no Jewish nation. Jews are a religion and religions do not make a nation.
Most Jews do not live in what is called Israel for the moment, never did and never will.
Being Jewish is not an ethnicity. If it were then every religion would be an ethnicity and none are.
If Judaism had never been invented no Jew would exist. If all religions were banned tomorrow no Jew would exist. IT IS A RELIGION WHICH REQUIRES A belief in the god of the religion. There is no such thing as an atheist/secular Jew.
Thank you for admitting Israel is not the Western democracy it claims to be. You compare it to Islamic fundamentalist states like Saudi Arabia and I agree with you on that.
Sure Israel can decide who its citizens are and if it stipulated being jewish, a religion, then it is not a democracy. There you go. We agree on that. ..
On the contrary. I know almost all the facts. I don’t follow a one sided narrative that does not contain all the facts. Fact Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed. Palestine never existed as a country nation state for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one. Fact is israel exists as a nation state so deal with it and accept or move away you are wasting your time with dire tribe otherwise seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
You said: Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed.
FACT. Israel is a terrorist state and there are more Jewish terrorists than Islamic. People of sanity and conscience agree they must be removed.
FACT: Israel calls Hamas a terrorist group but most countries in the world and the UN do not agree. The Germans also said the French Resistance were terrorists. That is what brutal occupiers do.
You said: Palestine never existed as a country nation state
Most countries in the world did not exist as nation states until the late 19th century when the concept took hold. It is irrelevant. Palestine has been occupied for a thousand years so it was not going to be a nation state in the 19th century. However, it will be in the 21st century.
You said: for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one.
FACT: Palestine and Palestinians were mentioned numerous times by the Egyptians more than 5000 years ago. It has been a country for longer than most others. Israel was invented in 1947. Israel is a brutal colonial entity in Palestine. Remember, 76 years is nothing compared to the fact that the Portugese were sent packing after more than 500 years in Angola. Israel is nothing but a half blink in time compared to that.
You said: israel exists as a nation state so deal with it
FACT: Since Israel has no declared borders and indeed there is no Israeli nationality, logically Israel does not even exist. And Nazi Germany was a nation state which was dismantled for its atrocities. The same will happen with Zionist Israel for the same reasons. Nothing about being a nation state protects anyone.
You said: seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
Israel has destroyed itself. It was founded on racism, hatred, arrogance, elitism and colonial supremacy. But most people of intelligence and conscience do seek the destruction of fascist, terrorist states. Why would they not? Israel is a travesty in the world. It is a depraved, sadistic, bestial and savage culture, society and State which has inflicted the longest holocaust in modern history and one of the most genocidal and cruel military colonial occupations in all of history on Palestine.
The courage, nobility of spirit and integrity of the Palestinians against such evil stands as a testament to humanity.
Listen, James, you can barely write coherently, let alone factually.
As so many who have nothing other than opinionated self-regard, populist myth and prejudiced disinformation, when faced with evidence you choose to ignore it and simply repeat a nonsensical rant.
I suggest that before you continue your appallingly bigoted and abusive false dialogue, that you at least learn to write coherent English or, if you are not a native English speaker, that you write coherently in your own native language so that readers can translate it and read something that makes sense.
If you cannot or will not do that, I suggest you go and join the MAGA populists who revel in lies, misinformation, disinformation, myth, exaggeration and outrageously preposterous and vile allegations.
There is no relevant: "On the contrary" in what you say and certainly your diatribe, (excuse me for spelling it correctly), shows not one shred of evidence or accuracy. It is as spurious and just as defamatory as Trump's claim that a particular group in Springfield are eating the pets of other residents.
Now, before I really lose my patience, I suggest you go away and stay away unless and until you learn about and understand the reality of what you chooses to write about.
We are not talking about something which involved European Jews nearly a century ago.
We are talking about what Jews, Zionists, Israelis are doing today. The genocide today against 6 million Palestinians, nearly half of them children and the threatened genocide against another 2 million living in what is called Israel is what matters. Not what some Jews suffered long ago.
The world has grown tired of the hypocrisy of people waving the tattered flag of Jewish holocaust experiences nearly a century ago, when they are doing the same, if not worse to Palestinians today.
There are no holocaust deniers on this page, but there is one denier of Israeli genocide against Palestinians. James Jenkins, care to prove your identity is real?
Read my earlier comment about trolls. Those radical lefties nut jobs that live in a cosy echo chamber and as soon they get challenged with the demonstrably false flawed be it the one sided Pro Arafat pro Hamas narrative they peddle over and over again they starting more false assumptions and false accusations like trolls. Using free speech doesn’t occur to them living in their deluded echo chamber peddling pointless nonsense let alone vicious hypocritical Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish (state ) for Jewish people so yes the most vicious worse form of anti semitism which has to come to mean prejudice to Jewish people as a whole) yes the majority of world Jews are rightly and proud Zionists..
Then you have not been listening or reading and blatantly believe the false narratives being peddle here. You continue to parrot the same false assumptions. Debate cannot be actually had when the author here states with a deluded authority that israel does not even exist….. hello ? How you debate that ? How can you even debate this actual bullshit nonsense you can’t so you are correcf in part in so far as using the word debate. You cannot debate here but I like debates. I debate and accept fair points but not ludicrously being peddled as fact and all one sided.. I don’t care what you think and what you peddle but expect to be challenged by anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Fringe views and flawed a historical narratives will never condenses - bagging a one sided narrative will be shown for what it is.. good luck with that
I follow and accept objective thought and accept cogent logical thought like people like Douglas Murray - I don’t think you will ever gets his reach etc.
If you truly care about so called Arab Palestinians who are Arabs in the Levant then you would be arguing for them to eliminate the likes of Hamas and Islamic jihadi and condemn the Iranian regime and accept Israel as Jewish state for steps towards genuine peace rather than support lopsided one sided arguments just demonising Israel’s actual right to exist over and over again as these pages do that won’t go anywhere but I don’t you make a difference anyway apart from listeners that follow this one sided narrative that achieves nothing but the opposite effect.. ( not true peace that’s for sure ).
I would put my low profile money made in my private business ( unknown to anyone on here where to actual that can make a difference rather than try and get followers here for money or donate to anyone here that peddles clear false narratives claims they are journalists on here when they are not. I do follow and donate to some persons on here who are clearly respected and deal with facts and intelligent thought rather than joker journalists who simply promote an anti Zionist anti Israel agenda thread as activists - just demonstrable. Those people deserve to be called out or can they try and debate honestly but they fail with comments like Israel does not even exist when it does - Cleary false.. learn to stop making false assumptions and calling others trolls you think it does you favours it doesn’t
Believe it or not I care about peaceful Palestinians that genuinely want peace. But in my experience many people can’t get through to Islamic jihadis they are usually a lost cause unless they can be turned around. We can hope…
Anyone radical lefty that is challenged usually blocks or calls out as hominem like troll lol eventually because they cannot handle being challenged when they absurdly peddle misleading narratives as fact - it is extremely deceptive
Read my earlier comment about trolls. Those radical lefties nut jobs that live in a cosy echo chamber and as soon they get challenged with the demonstrably false flawed be it the one sided Pro Arafat pro Hamas narrative they peddle over and over again they starting more false assumptions and false accusations like trolls. Using free speech doesn’t occur to them living in their deluded echo chamber peddling pointless nonsense let alone vicious hypocritical Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish (state ) for Jewish people so yes the most vicious worse form of anti semitism which has to come to mean prejudice to Jewish people as a whole) yes the majority of world Jews are rightly and proud Zionists..
Debate is not your purpose, and thus trollish misnomer. Pointing out that a baby is a baby, or a frog a frog, is matter of fact. Similarly, I'm judging you by the combination of your squealing (all comments, not one) and obvious ill intent. I won't indulge your goal, nor respond here again, but you encourage me to stand up for Palestine. I will counter your effort by writing an article which will reach more people than your comments will. Thus, I must thank you for your contribution.
Well said. James Jenkins and the others like him provide invaluable opportunities to correct misinformation, disinformation and plain old fashioned downright lies and do those of us promoting and disseminating facts and truth a favour.
Then you have not been listening or reading and blatantly believe the false narratives being peddle here. You continue to parrot the same false assumptions. Debate cannot be actually had when the author here states with a deluded authority that israel does not even exist….. hello ? How you debate that ? How can you even debate this actual bullshit nonsense you can’t so you are correcf in part in so far as using the word debate. You cannot debate here but I like debates. I debate and accept fair points but not ludicrously being peddled as fact and all one sided.. I don’t care what you think and what you peddle but expect to be challenged by anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Fringe views and flawed a historical narratives will never condenses - bagging a one sided narrative will be shown for what it is.. good luck with that
I follow and accept objective thought and accept cogent logical thought like people like Douglas Murray - I don’t think you will ever gets his reach etc.
If you truly care about so called Arab Palestinians who are Arabs in the Levant then you would be arguing for them to eliminate the likes of Hamas and Islamic jihadi and condemn the Iranian regime and accept Israel as Jewish state for steps towards genuine peace rather than support lopsided one sided arguments just demonising Israel’s actual right to exist over and over again as these pages do that won’t go anywhere but I don’t you make a difference anyway apart from listeners that follow this one sided narrative that achieves nothing but the opposite effect.. ( not true peace that’s for sure ).
I would put my low profile money made in my private business ( unknown to anyone on here where to actual that can make a difference rather than try and get followers here for money or donate to anyone here that peddles clear false narratives claims they are journalists on here when they are not. I do follow and donate to some persons on here who are clearly respected and deal with facts and intelligent thought rather than joker journalists who simply promote an anti Zionist anti Israel agenda thread as activists - just demonstrable. Those people deserve to be called out or can they try and debate honestly but they fail with comments like Israel does not even exist when it does - Cleary false.. learn to stop making false assumptions and calling others trolls you think it does you favours it doesn’t
Believe it or not I care about peaceful Palestinians that genuinely want peace. But in my experience many people can’t get through to Islamic jihadis they are usually a lost cause unless they can be turned around. We can hope…
Educated debate is important, but James, you're not debating, and are thus a troll. I would never have allowed such repetition on my page, so salutes to Roslyn's angel-like patience.
Oh so sorry Jews were firing rockets into Nazis from their Jewish civilian areas ( like Hamas is ) to cause the Nazi German Holocaust that’s hitlers defence thats right. I Must be absurdly stupid like Marxist radical arab / and islamic Terrorism rot yes along with Hitler yes
Jews would have fired rockets if they had them. As an American writer, also Jewish, said after October 7, if Jews had broken out of the Warsaw Ghetto and found Germans dancing around at a music festival they would have attacked them as well.
The Palestinian Resistance/Hamas targeted military personnel which is legitimate. They had no idea the music festival was on.
Civilians, young men around the age of 20, broke out after them and they targeted civilians. They were not a part of the Palestinian Resistance. There was a video after October 7 of an Israeli soldier stating civilians attacked Israeli civilians.
Since those young men, all of their lives, from the time they were toddlers had been subjected to the worst kinds of mental and physical torture by the Israelis - sonic booms, bombing, bullets - and had seen their family friends, homes, society, torn apart in a bloody mess, not once, but many times by the savages who ruled them, one presumes some would have been less than mentally well.
Blame Israel for that. Torture children from the time they are born and they are not going to like you, they will want to hurt you as you hurt them.
Only radical left nut jobs and the Iranian regime calls Hamas . Houthis and Hezbollah resistance as you do. No they are not resistance and it’s not legitimate. They are Islamic terrorists
What Hamas did on Oct 7 burning burning and butchering and killing innocent civilians at a rave and in the kibitz was a barbaric pogrom mass murder pogrom including violent rapes / murder against girls & others was horrendous which they admitted to. But only the likes of you would twist this too
Yes only radical left nut jobs and Iran regime itself would like and say what Hamas did on Oct 7 aas legitimate and that that are resistance
They slaughtered intentionally innocent civilians in rave parties and in the kibbutz and there were many girls who got sadistically raped then slaughtered..
You are lying and must be deluded or smoking something… Check objective real facts. Get educated. The Hamas and Palestinians that entered Oct 7 had maps of the Jewish homes in the kibbutz to literally target and kill - the same ones that had given them work ( work permits ) to work in Israel
Of course the Nazis / Hitler should have been destroyed just like Hamas must be destroyed they are two sides of the same coin both want to kill Jews and both wanted to prevent a Jewish state with the mufti and Hitler. If the IDF existed in the Holocaust days then the Holocaust would NOT have happened or many millions of Jews could have been. Fortunately IDF will not let Hamas / Islamic jihad finish the rest of the Jewish people in Israel off.
Now I know you are an Israeli, James Jenkins. Anything the Israelis say others are doing, is what the Israelis are doing.
The evidence stands since Israel was invented. Rape, torture, theft, murder, sadistic savagery, lies, propaganda, hatred, vicious cruelty, human shields, targeting civilians, collective punishment, hiding behind civilians - I could go on it is such a long list -WERE AND ARE ALL DONE BY THE ZIORAELIS. We have documented evidence for all those crimes dating back to the 1920's when Jewish terrorist gangs began their bloody rampages around Palestine.
Of course the Nazis / Hitler should have been destroyed just like Hamas must be destroyed they are two sides of the same coin both want to kill Jews and both wanted to prevent a Jewish state with the mufti and Hitler. If the IDF existed in the Holocaust days then the Holocaust would NOT have happened or many millions of Jews could have been SAVED Fortunately IDF will not let Hamas / Islamic jihad finish the rest of the Jewish people in Israel off. We won't let that happen fortunately..
Gosh, you’re still trolling my comment about Hiam Abbas appearing in ‘The Lemon Tree’ movie. You must be full of lemons. Just add salt, pepper and a fake name, and you’ll be taken seriously. Well, maybe not.
South Africa is not inflicting a savage, bestial, sadistic and genocidal military colonial occupation on anyone. Israel is and Israel claims to be a Western democracy and is judged by the bar it has set itself.
South Africa ls bankrupt and is constant violence and murders between blacks and whites and then some..your point is feeble and you conflate… so they should just worry about their own broken state. If Muslim terrorists existed there they would be eliminated
Then you have not been listening or reading and blatantly believe the false narratives being peddle here. You continue to parrot the same false assumptions. Debate cannot be actually had when the author here states with a deluded authority that israel does not even exist….. hello ? How you debate that ? How can you even debate this actual bullshit nonsense you can’t so you are correcf in part in so far as using the word debate. You cannot debate here but I like debates. I debate and accept fair points but not ludicrously being peddled as fact and all one sided.. I don’t care what you think and what you peddle but expect to be challenged by anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Fringe views and flawed a historical narratives will never condenses - bagging a one sided narrative will be shown for what it is.. good luck with that
I follow and accept objective thought and accept cogent logical thought like people like Douglas Murray - I don’t think you will ever gets his reach etc.
If you truly care about so called Arab Palestinians who are Arabs in the Levant then you would be arguing for them to eliminate the likes of Hamas and Islamic jihadi and condemn the Iranian regime and accept Israel as Jewish state for steps towards genuine peace rather than support lopsided one sided arguments just demonising Israel’s actual right to exist over and over again as these pages do that won’t go anywhere but I don’t you make a difference anyway apart from listeners that follow this one sided narrative that achieves nothing but the opposite effect.. ( not true peace that’s for sure ).
I would put my low profile money made in my private business ( unknown to anyone on here where to actual that can make a difference rather than try and get followers here for money or donate to anyone here that peddles clear false narratives claims they are journalists on here when they are not. I do follow and donate to some persons on here who are clearly respected and deal with facts and intelligent thought rather than joker journalists who simply promote an anti Zionist anti Israel agenda thread as activists - just demonstrable. Those people deserve to be called out or can they try and debate honestly but they fail with comments like Israel does not even exist when it does - Cleary false.. learn to stop making false assumptions and calling others trolls you think it does you favours it doesn’t
Believe it or not I care about peaceful Palestinians that genuinely want peace. But in my experience many people can’t get through to Islamic jihadis they are usually a lost cause unless they can be turned around. We can hope…
Think about it carefully. A state which has no nationality called Israeli and no declared borders, logically does not really exist.
It is an interesting symbolism that the Israel of religious writing never truly existed either, beyond a primitive tribal group in Palestine and today, the State which calls itself Israel has no citizens called Israelis and no borders. Ergo, Israel does not really exist.
If the only nationality for the Zionist State is Jew, then it should change its name to Jewdistan.
It’s a Jewish majority state . Israel is the name ( Jordan an Arab state is NOT called Arabstein you kook or Bahrain Arab state is not called arabstein ) . There are 2 million Arabs living in Israel proper - so that cannot be racist as you put it if multiple Arab states like Jordan 95 % Arab but with no Jews living there. Infact where did all Jews go in middle eastern Islamic / or Arab states
1947 UN partition was about a Jewish state and Arab state -
There are over ten Arab states - which one is called Arabstein ? None lol you are a DISTORTER so your point is feeble flawed inaccurate again.
Palestine does not exist as a state has no clear borders so get your facts right. They rejected the offer in 2000 and 2008 which stated a future Palestine borders must be negotiated. Israel has already its borders clear in Israel proper and is a nation state - a Jewish state - now breathe and accept that fact or peddle your BS which you are free to do. You anti Zionist rants and one sided misleading toxic narrative…
The disputed territory outside Israel proper that has autonomous rule in area a and b of Judas and Samaria is governed by Fatah party / PA..
Gaza was ruled by Hamas after 2005 when Israel withdrew
Techinical it is those territories that belonged to Jordan and Egypt and previously others
It is technically israel land under utti POSSIDETIS Juris but Israel let them rule it to the extend their security is not compromised. They should have kept it.
You are wrong and deceptive and trying to convince yourself as you make things up with your stupid anti Jewish state ideology The nationality is a keen Jewish majority state and it has defined borders with Israel proper. Israel is a Jewish majority nation state- that is the nationality - it also has 2 M Arabs including some Druze etc. Again imo you are clearly being deceptive justifying every one sided narrative Anti Zionist narrative and fortunately you are wasting your time but if it makes you feel good peddling this fraud then keep going
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
The entire premise for the foundation of Israel was psychotic and deranged from the start.
The theory was that Jews had suffered persecution and therefore needed a State of their own.
Well, plenty of religions and groups have been persecuted but did not demand their own state. Such a demand indicates two things about the Zionists and Jews, huge egos and high levels of paranoia.
To demand their own country for followers of their religion says the following:
1. Jews are incapable of living in societies with non-Jews. (We know that to be patently untrue.)
2. Jews are always at risk in States where they are not a majority and in control. (We know that to be patently untrue and in fact the so-called Israeli State is the most dangerous place any Jew could live)
3. Jews must never assimilate. (We know that is untrue because for thousands of years the most successful Jews were those who assimilated.)
4. Jews are superior as humans and cannot be ruled by inferior humans. (We know that to be untrue because most are and in a democracy it makes no difference how minor your religion is.)
5. A Jewish state must be so feared by everyone else they will not challenge it. (Well, clearly that one did not work and as a psychological exercise and as any study of human history shows, such an approach never works and creates more enemies and ultimate destruction. When you seek to terrorise others they just hate you more and find out ways to defeat you.)
6. Jews are only safe behind a wall of violence and power. (Well that did not work either in the prison state called Israel for 76 years. In fact it had the opposite effect.)
7. Jews are always hated by non-Jews. ( History does not support that paranoid belief. Yes Jews in some places at some times have been persecuted but so have many religions and some did not survive. And at this point in history it is Muslims who are persecuted.)
The beliefs behind Zionism and the creation of the Israeli state represent high levels of paranoia, mental illness, fear and hatred. Zionist Israel could never last brewing in such a soup of fear, hatred, violence and paranoia.
As an example, if we took a group of soldiers experiencing PTSD and put them all in one place set up with the same belief systems as the Zionists applied to Israel, how well is that likely to work?
I wonder why people continue to read news sources that spread them when they've been revealed as lies.
With so much information, and so little time, you'd think people would ditch such blatant and destructive propaganda as soon as it's been exposed as such.
I think it is also important to understand even if those beliefs were not lies that nothing can ever justify the sadistic and savage bestiality of the Zionists, Israelis and Jews toward the Palestinians.
The cruelty by them over a century ranks as some of the most evil in history and there are no reasons or excuses which could ever wipe that terrible slate clean.
It does not matter what happened or may have happened to some Jews, even many Jews, in past centuries, nor what their religion teaches them - they have no right to treat the Palestinians as the subhumans, indeed to even deem others to be subhuman, they believe they are, and to steal their country with a level of cruelty which the world should never have allowed.
What astonishes me is that anyone of sound mind and conscience could read and see the atrocities the Israelis commit and think they could ever be justified. It would not matter if Hamas were all the Israelis say they are, the level of terrorism and savagery the Israelis have inflicted on the Palestinians for generations, should never, can never be tolerated in a civilized world.
As Gabor Mate said, you could multiply anything Hamas has done by a thousand times and it would still not come close to the atrocities committed by Zionist Israel.
My question to the horrified Jews is why have you not been horrified for all of Israel's existence? None of this genocidal slaughter is new. There is just more of it. The genocide, ethnic cleansing, murder, torture, rape, including of children, theft, dispossession has been going on since 1947.
The sadistic and bestial nature of the Zionist Israeli State has been documented by Israeli and international human rights groups for decades. Why were they not horrified then?
It cannot be denied that Israel was created and has been maintained by Jewish money and support. Yes, there have always been some Jews who condemned the reality of the State and its atrocities but they have been very few. Most Jews have thought it was a great idea and done their pilgrimage to what is called Israel every year. And sent their children on tours.
The Jewish people I know and follow on social media were indoctrinated from a very early age, and are now deprogramming. Certainly not all, but the Jewish people I know and follow.
That is good news. I have Jewish friends who still maintain the denial and others who were horrified 30 years ago and rejected the Zionist State.
Without the support of Judaism and Jews Israel cannot do what it does and that is why it is Jews who must take a major responsibility for the horror they have helped to create.
No mention about Islamic jihadi and Palestinian terrorism and Passover massacres and your audacity to say that a Jewish state has no right to exist in the land that you say only belongs to who ? Arab Hamas ? Arab Arafat ? Or the mufti of Jerusalem who conspired and anticipated a Hitler win to prevent a Jewish state:. Your one sided ignorance is astounding.. the Arabs in the region wanted to initially be part of Greater Syria - there was no great push from the 1920s onwards to even have a Arab state called Palestine ( let alone the fact that a Palestine state never existed ) . Being Jewish is not just adhering to Judaism it is also independently and uniquely an ethnicity similar to being an Arab ( yet being culturally or ethnically Jewish is not monolithic ) . Yet you have the temerity to dictate to Jewish people that are the NOT Jewish based on if they are not religious ( strictly with Judaism ) - the flip side irony being is that IF israel was a Jewish theocracy state ( rather than secular Jewish state ) you would be attacking that too regardless - and if it does become a theocratic Jewish state then it still has a right to exist just any other Arab state / or Islamic state exists as a theocracy ( Saudia arabia ) or simply an Arab state they are all fricken brutal with little civil liberties ( unlike Israel who has some basic civil liberties where 2 M Arab still live in Israel proper ). Jordan is almost 96 % ethnically Arab ( mixed Arab tribes ) so that must be apartheid because they have no Jews and ethnically cleansed them after 1949 from Judea Samaria - funny that - including when Jews were asked to leave from Middle East arab states and went to Israel the Jewish state.. ( thankfully ) the other fact is the MAJORITY of Jewish people are Zionists ( only a small minority of religious Jews 150,000 are technically anti Zionists for religious reasons from the majority of 7 million plus Jews who live in Israel are overwhelmingly rightly Zionists . The other radical left Marxist type hypocritical who say as a Jew are ANTI Zionists tend to be anti western and anti American too and are irrelevant as the majority of Jews in Israel ( 7 million of them are rightly Zionists ) including the world Jewry the majority of world Jewry are Zionists. Israel exists so get over it and all Islamic jihadi terrorists who want it destroyed and attack Israel must be removed . Only the peaceful Arabs who want peace with Israel as a Jewish sovereign state should naturally be allowed to stay and its Israel ( 80 % ethnic Jewish state - not monolithic ) who decides who its citizens will be or its residents will be ( just like Arab Jordan or Arab Saudia Arabia or Italy ( 90 % ethnic italian country ) decides who it’s citizens will be etc
I take comfort, for the first time, that there are now more aware of the truth. It's heartening when substacker writers admit, "I was blind, but now I see." If only so much death wasn't the cure for blindness.
ROSLYN ROSS HAS STATED SHE WILL COMMIT TERRORISM JIHADI CRIMINAL BESTIAL VILE MURDEROUS ACTS AGAINST THE JEWISH NATION FOR ARAB ISLAMIST TERRORIST HAMAS IN GAZA THAT SHE CALLS RESISTANCE. SHE IS DERANGED AND DISTURBED..
Most of Israeli citizens today are Mizrahi Jewish citizens today ( ie from middle east ) Jordan has no Jewish citizens funny that .
WE STAND WITH ISRAEL
GOD BLESS ISRALI HOSTAGES TAKEN BY ANIMALS HAMAS.
Arafat was born in Egypt ( not a Palestine ) to those morons trying to undermine Israel always..
AND THATS RIGHT ARAB ARAFAT WAS BORN IN ARAB STATE OF EGYPT LOL. WHEN HE DECIDED TO LAUNCH THE SHAM PROPAGANDA PALESTINIAN IDENTITY MOVEMENT IN 1964 WITH SOLE AIM IN DESTROYING THE JEWISH STATE NOT BUILDING AN ADDITIONAL ARAB STATE OF THEIR OWN- THIS IS FACT AS IT COMES FROM HIS OWN MOUTH…
FACT -FUNNY HOW THERE WAS NEVER WAS A NATION COUNTRY CALLED PALESTINE LET ALONE ONE SOVEREIGN EXCLUSIVELY OWNED BY ARAB MUSLIMS …. EVER … ITS ALL A SHAM PROPAGANDA ALL DESIGNED TO DESTROY THE JEWISH NATION
THE FACT THAT THE 22 ARAB STATES MIGHT BE NOT PURE ARAB ( THEY ARE NON MONOLITHIC ETHNO ARABS OR ARAB NATION PEOPLE ) ETHNICS IS NOT THE POINT AS 22 ARAB MAJORITY AND MUSLIM MAJORITY NATION STATES EXIST AS THEY HAVE BEEN ARABISED AS ARAB NATION STATES IN FACT -IS THE FACT AND HYPOCRITICAL POINT - OR ETHNO ARAB NATION STATES IN FACT IS THE POINT. AND THUS YOU ARE ARGUING AGAINST YOURSELF BY SAYING ONLY ISRAEL IS THE ETHNO JEWISH STATE ( THAT ETHNIC CLEANSED- WHEN JORDAN ITSELF REMOVED ETHNICALLY CLEANSED JEWS FROM JUDEA / SAMARIA AFTER 48 WAR WHEN THEY ANNEXED JUDEA / AKA WB ) WHEN SIMILARLY BEING A JEWISH NATION OR BEING JEWISH IS A DIVERSE NON MONOLITHIC ETHNICITY FROM MIZRAHI JEWS TO SEPHARDIC JEWISH PEOPLE ETC .., HOW MANY JEWS IN ARAB MUSLIM MAJORITY STATES ? VERY LITTLE AS THEY WERE ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ALSO ….. JORDAN IS 97 % ARAB MUSLIM MAJORITY STATE AND FORBIDS JEWS AS CITIZENS FUNNY THAT… YET ISRAEL IS A JEWISH MAJORITY STATE AND HAS 2 MILLION ARAB ( MAINLY MUSLIM TOO) ISRAELI CITIZENS YOU MORON..ARE YOU GETTING IT HYPOCRISY MORON ?? I THINK JORDAN OR EGYPT OR QATAR ETC THE ARAB STATES SHOULD GRANT FULL EQUAL RIGHTS TO REMAINING ARAB PALESTINIANS THAT ALL THE RIGHTS AND LIABILITIES THAT LIVING UNDER ARAB MUSLIM SOVEREIGN RULED COUNTRIES ENTAIL… ( EG UN 48 PARTITION OFFER WAS AN ARAB NATION STATE ( NOT PALESTINE STATE ) AND JEWISH NATION STATE .. ( IN EUROPE WE HAVE NUMEROUS ETHNO NATION majority STATES eg Croatia , Finland , Greece , Italy etc . And further equally we have religious majority states - over 10 Christian majority states .. over 20 Muslim majority states and 3 Hindu states and multiple Buddhist majority states and one Jewish majority state only .. bring Jewish is beyond just a religious though it is a NON non monolithic diverse ethnicity as I said above..YET THE ANTI ISRAEL ANTI ZIONIST RADICAL LEFT TYPES ( and far right ) ANTI SEMITES AND ISLAMISTS ARE DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE LIARS
Roslyn, great historical analysis of the genocidal formation and evolution of the nazisraeli state, and the factual basis for the religious vs. racial realities of popular designations currently being used to describe the people of the region and globally. On point in every respect.
Thank you! It took me a minute to understand #5. Even in my 20's, I dated someone who said he was Jewish but not a practicing Jew. Now I know that he was not Jewish at all then! He was from somewhere in Europe. I've read that Hebrew wasn't used as a modern language until the settling of "Israel" and them trying to establish a national identity.
Hebrew was a dead language for more than 2000 years which is most of the time Judaism has existed, its creation/invention happening around 3000 years ago.
It was re-invented, although one could argue, invented in the late 19th century by a Russian, Eliezer Ben-Yehuda. There were many new words needed because times had changed in more than 2000 years and as Arabic was also a Semitic language, with the same roots, many Arabic words were used. Ben-Yehuda used grammatical systems from religious/ancient Hebrew to put the language together.
It is perhaps a sad irony that the Hebrew spoken in Zionist Israel, by a people who hate Arabs and consider them to be subhuman, is as much Arabic as it is Hebrew. The Zionists were pretty much atheists but they needed Jewish money and support for their plans to set up a State to dominate the Middle East. That is why it had to be in Palestine, it had to be called Israel and the language had to be Jewish.
The most common language for most Jews in the 19th century was Yiddish, basically German with a Jewish accent as it has been described. Today the most common language for Jews is English, followed by Hebrew and then Russian. Jews do not have a common language.
Ancient Hebrew survived as Latin survives, through prayers learned by rote. But there was enough Hebrew in the modern invention called Hebrew for Jews to claim it as their own.
It is an interesting irony that just as Israel was invented in 1947/48, so too was the language of the State which, according to orthodox Jews and real Judaism, should never have been created. There was no ancient State of Israel. There were no States until the 19th century, a concept only mooted in the 18th century. There was a tribal kingdom called Israel and one called Judah which wandered into Palestine from what is now Iraq, about 3000 years ago and set up camps among a number of other tribal kingdoms which were not Jewish.
All that Zionist Israel claims to be, is a recent historical invention and in Judaic terms, a complete fake. Indeed some orthodox would say a dangerous fake because a literal Israel runs counter to Judaic teaching.
I believe that Hebrew, a language only useful for Jewish liturgy but useless for communication on the world stage, was chosen to be the one language of Israel not only to establish a national identity but to isolate the population of the new colonial enterprise from the world at large, to make future generations (today’s Israelis) easy to propagandize and manipulate. They now believe ridiculous lies that no one on the outside believes, and have become easy targets for the fear campaign: “everyone hates you; you must be afraid of non-Jews. You must build walls and kill to defend them”. Witness our friend James here.
It would be good to know, but the moral of the story is the same. Palestinians grew thriving orchards of apricots, olives, dates, figs, grapes, and wild pears in addition to the oranges and pomegranates. Israel now claims them as their own, although they destroyed more trees and crops than they have planted.
The Israelis have always been arrogant ecological and environmental vandals. They have depleted the aquifers to fill the swimming pools of illegal colonists and they have uprooted ancient, truly ancient orchards. Not only that, they have poisoned the soil with their bombs, white phosphorus and chemical warfare.
Thanks. I changed the caption to make it more general. I am not sure from looking at pomegranate orchards that it is one. Heavily pruned citrus is still possible but thanks for all the input.
Well I was not sure but it was close enough. I have had a bit of a look since and there is still the chance it is pruned citrus. Maybe the Palestinians do that to reduce the crop because they have so much trouble harvesting with settlers shooting at them that less fruit is easier.
This was a very good article. So factual. Some people are still in the movie, “Exodus” state of mind. So much propaganda and brainwashing has been done by media, politicians and Hollywood(movies & tv). The damage this stuff does is really sad. 😢
It has been noted that Biden and his cronies, along with a big chunk of the US Congress, are of the “Exodus Generation”. The film was a vile, racist piece of propaganda that pulled millions of unthinking Americans into a Zionist belief system. Its extraordinary accomplishment was its appeal to non-Jews; the high-drama theme song was written and sung by Pat Boone.
And now we’re seeing new generations with whole new ideas. 👏
Well, that was just a small part of the takeover of American politics, Government, Presidents, media by Zionist Israeli Jewish agendas. And of course such propaganda works well in the US where many people are poorly educated and literally, too poor to have time to investigate and inform themselves and are generally ignorant about the outside world. The Zionist propaganda machine started in the 19th century and makes Goebbels look like Mickey Mouse. Perhaps Nazism drew on Zionism for inspiration.
Yeah I remember seeing it on tv, not in the theater. It portrayed the Paul Newman character as if the actual person Ari Ben Gurion was a nice guy and when Ari is talking to the Eva Marie Saint character while overlooking the land of Palestine it gets really corny b/c he starts talking about biblical stories. I was young at the time and I’m saddened to say I fell for it. I’m a lot wiser now.☮️🇵🇸
I am asking this because I do not know. I am always told not every Jew is a Zionist, and recently I have seen a few young Jews in the U.S. protest against Zionism in Israel, but this genocide has been happening for a long time and I can never remember anyone in the U.S. standing up and saying to Israel Stop killing and using "Jewish" or Judaism as the reason it is okay.
Unfortunately, while all Jews are not Zionists, the reality is many Jews, perhaps most, certainly too many have funded, supported and promoted the horror that is Israel. I wrote a piece on this recently, The Crime of Ignorance.
Either those Jews knew the genocidal ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft which founded Israel and which has continued ever since, and did not care, or they did not bother to find out exactly what they were supporting and promoting. I am not sure what is worse.
From before 1948, there have been people, including Jews, protesting the creation and the crimes of Israel. The Western media has suppressed or vilified them, mostly marginalized and ignored them, or reported their views except those regarding Palestine. Some of the most persistent and courageous and vocal have been Jewish, for decades: Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Bernie Sanders, Alice Rothschild, Medea Benjamin, Philip Roth, and many others.
Well said. Well written. So relevant and particularly important for those who neither know the facts or have been conditioned to see them in false ways.
I commend you for your comprehension, your comprehension, your articulation and your courage to speak out against the ubiquitously conditioned notion, cinically reinforced by human horror and sympathy for the Jewish victims of WWII.
Is it possible for humanity to actually put reality and compassion and understanding of difference before personal prejudice and gain?
There will always be some who will defend the rights of all because they know that ultimately we are all connected and what we do to others, we do to ourselves.
PALESTINE HIJACKED
How Zionism Forged an Apartheid State from River to Sea
Thomas Suárez
The Israel-Palestine “conflict” is typically understood to be a clash between two ethnic groups—Arabs and Jews—inhabiting the same land. Thomas Suárez digs deep below these preconceptions and their supporting “narratives” to expose something starkly different: The violent take-over of Palestine by a European racial-nationalist settler movement, Zionism, using terror to assert by force a claim to the land that has no legal or moral basis.
Drawing extensively from original source documents, many revealed here for the first time, Suárez interweaves secret intelligence reports, newly-declassified military and diplomatic correspondence, and the terrorists’ own records boasting of their successes. His shocking account details a litany of Zionist terrorism against anyone in their way—the indigenous Palestinians, the British who had helped establish Zionism, and Jews who opposed the Zionist agenda.
Far from being isolated atrocities by rogue groups, the use of terror was deliberate and sustained, carried out or supported by the same leaders who then established and led the Israeli state. We are still living this history: The book proves that Israel's regime of Apartheid against the Palestinians and the continued expropriation of their country are not the result of complex historical circumstances, but the intended, singular goal of Zionism since its beginning.
Tom Suárez has written and lectured extensively on the Palestinian issue, including at major UK and UK universities and the UK House of Lords. He is best known for his 2016 book, State of Terror, “the first comprehensive and structured analysis of the violence and terror employed by the Zionist movement and later the state of Israel against the people of Palestine” (Ilan Pappé). His recent Writings on the Wall is an annotated collection of Palestinian oral histories. Suárez is a former faculty member of Palestine’s National Conservatory of Music.
https://thomassuarez.com/palestine.html
Uri Avnery wrote this not long before he died in 2018 at the age of 94. But many have written about the psychotic path on which Israel has walked since it was invented and like Cassandra of myth, their voices have been unheard, thus allowing the Zioraelis to reach levels of sadistic bestiality which rank as some of the most evil in history.
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1528467876
ROSLYN ROSS SAYS HAMAS ARE FEEDOM FIGHTERS AND LIES ABOUT OCT 7 AND THAT HAMAS ONLY TARGETING LEGIT TARGETS WTF —- SHE IS UNHINGED DISTURBING https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyTW4mMtKms/?igsh=d3NvMDVhZHg1eW1t
https://youtu.be/KoJ0RsFW1eg?si=bx7Ojltz0Bwqi9J0
Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
You can reply for paltry 100 or so subscribers that’s your right and my right is to respond and point out that you are a fraud and follow and one sided narrative and anyone that says Israel must be dismantle as Jewish state while over 20 Arab states exist and say hardly nothing about and absurdly single out Israel - like the Islamic nations who are the biggest human rights abusers including Hamas and Hezbollah and Houthis on their own people and within their society. Stay in your one sided misleading and deceptive echo chambers though with one sided anti Israel narrative for your 100 plus subscribers who typically believe in the same ahistorical misleading one sided narrative nonsense you peddle
You are selecting bits and pieces from bias or discredited sources and anti Israel sources and or cherry picking choosing to make your own skewered anti Israel Bullshit opinion as fact
Yes mainly misleading and deceptive mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective conclusions ( not facts ) drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish state ) pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same.. you also full of selective inconsistencies and feeble points which even undercut against your own points at times…
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure despicable hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It is hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers clearly did not deploy nearly the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish sovereign state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel ( a Jewish majority sovereign state ) but you side step that. Or perhaps you don’t as that is your toxic goal too and you must be condemned.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
Goodbye so don’t bother replying again please.
I have never stopped your freedom to speak. Even though you are abusive, repetitive and unpleasant and constantly repost the same disinformation.
I have no problem with sensible, informed people seeing what you write and it means I can use it to spread the facts and the truth.
Hamas the resistance freedom fighters on Oct 7 saved Gazans - DELUDED
Well there are no Gazans, just Palestinians and yes they saved Palestine and Palestinians because now the world is demanding and the UN just decreed that Israel end the occupation and get out of Palestine back behind pre: 67 so-called borders.
Israel has exterminated many but it has also exterminated its position globally and the world now wants Israel dismantled, well most people in the world and a few sane Governments, and Palestine to be free.
So, the Palestinian resistance freedom fighters have saved Palestine and Palestinians. Well, the truth is the idiot Israelis did it with their childish vengeful slaughter, using October 7, so they thought, as an excuse to ethnically cleanse Occupied Palestine. Instead the world now plans to cleanse Palestine of Israelis.
You can kill people but not an idea and you will never kill a just fight for freedom.
Apologies for repost as my phone gets stuck being in Ramallah leaving this week
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
They have Free Tibet protests all the time still
The lie is you say the whole world wants Israel diamantés is DEUDED LIE as NO WESTERN GOVT is saying all calling for that expect for radical left anti Israel nuts jobs sorry to say that is your wishful thinking only
That UN advisory non binding about pre 67 border well that’s funny as Israel withdrew from Gaza to pre 67 border and look what happened so any sane USA politician knows that’s crazy and meaningless moot now ( that was previously part of Egypt ) in 2005 piece contradicts its own former UN resolution which says borders for a future potential Palestine state ( which won’t happen now or at all - until jihadi Hamas Islamic terrorists remain there and likely they will be defeated but still present - so Gaza / WB parts will still be under the status of autonomy rule until or if Hamas stands down ( the majority are dismantled ) and surrenders and releases all hostages - but I don’t see them surrendering
Hamas with OCT 7 brought no so called freedoms for Palestinians / Gazans but misery will remain as is - a shit hole when it was nice before Oct 7 even if Hamas stuffed it up with resorts / parks beaches , mansions etc -just like Ramallah etc in PA Arab administered regions in WB..
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
Mate, I do not give a screaming toss if there is a Jewish state in the world, just not in Palestine and not one which involves bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty to the Palestinians.
Set up a Jewish state in the US where Zionists, Israelis and Jews have most power. The US backs Israel so stick it there.
Either that or drop the insane Jewish racist fantasy and create one state where the native people, the Palestinians, share the land equally with any Israelis who wish to remain and be Palestinians.
GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. People oppose what the Israeli state is and does and has done for nearly 80 years not that the fact a lot of Israelis are Jews.
Look DUDE that’s not for you to dictate in your ahistorical nonsense even if you can say another
You can wank yourself DUDE as ISRAEL exists where it does as a Jewish state and it’s not going anywhere - as GAD SAAD states the main reason only reason is the Arabs / Islamists cannot stand any other sovereign state other than Islamic ruled states ( or Arab states with Muslim ruled majority ) but the fact they can’t stand a Jewish sovereignty there even more so and that’s unacceptable - bad luck
If it was a Swedish state with historical ties and state in land of historical Israel HEBREW Judea or however so named was created like other states in that century in the land I would be saying the same thing if the Arabs tried to kill the Swedish people ( Jews in this case ) and let’s face it Jewish hatred ( anti Semitism is the oldest hate in the world . The fact is ( whether it was right or wrong - Israel does exist as Jewish state like Jordan exists as Arab state and Pakistan as a Islamic stare ) and to say let’s dismantle it especially Israel now would essentially require a second Holocaust - ( the utopian fools are seriously deluded…
I dictate nothing. I simply present facts on a plate of reason and common sense.
The Swedes are a people. Jews are a religion. Apples with apples. I can assure you if Swedes had camped in Palestine 3000 years ago they would also have no right to invade and occupy it.
Quote: By the way, listen to China’s UN rep Fu Cong’s blistering condemnation of Israel, which uses very uncharacteristically strong language:
Now it’s clear that Israel is desperate to provoke Hezbollah in attacking it first, so that it can have the casus belli and global consensus in waging another genocide to cover for the first one in a sort of genocide-Ponzi scheme.
Here’s Israeli media showing its true face in declaring that Lebanese civilians are indistinguishable from Hezbollah ‘terrorists’, a precursor to the whitewashing of the planned genocide:
But what’s been understated is the true reason for why Israel is suddenly so desperate to expand the war to Lebanon. There are several reasons, of course, with varying importance; and while each play a part, let’s look at the most significant.
1. Firstly, Israel’s economy is in danger of crumbling partly owing to the fact that the productivity of the entire north has been disrupted by ongoing repercussions of the Hezbollah fight. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of settlers have fled, farms have been abandoned, etc. This much Netanyahu has openly stated even yesterday in a new speech—that the north must be ‘secured’ in order to bring people back, otherwise it can turn into an abandoned wasteland as Israelis don’t quite have the same taste for subsisting amid open hostilities as the nearby Arabs whom they’ve subjected to such conditions for years.
This was exacerbated today when Hezbollah unleashed a large attack which pierced the Iron Dome and slammed into several neighborhoods. The damage seemed unclear but houses, cars, etc., appeared on fire from published videos.
We’ll call this reason the most overt and ostensibly ‘official’ one, for the sake of political optics. But there are deeper ones.
2. Another major reason that few have gleaned or spoken of is a broader strategic one. Israel has not only likely deduced its time is running out due to the wane of the US Empire which is its chief sponsor, but more specifically, Israel may be taking advantage of a short window of unprecedented American weakness and absence of leadership.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israel-putters-into-crisis-zelensky
They hated Jews for their religion first then they hated them just being Jewish like Hitler did
Now it’s clear that hate them for having a Jewish state -
You can deny all you want
The Hamas manifesto is clear just like the Arafat fake Palestinian identity created in 1960s
The 47 UN partook was for a Jewish state AND a additional Arab state ( not a Palestine ) - which Arabs rejected and went to war and lost…tough luck reality and expelled Jews ( Jordan did ) from Judea / Samaria
If it was israel at all then consistent with USA president - it was a job well done against these Islamic terrorists ….. ( of-course Irans allies will condemn - tell us something surprising like Tibet and the millions of Uyghurs in detention camps ( it’s hardly like beautiful Ramallah ) or what Gaza could have been but for Hamas and Islamic jihad stealing bullions and attacking Israel for 20 years
The Pager pogrom was a war crime, targeting civilians and an act of terrorism which will go down as one of the worst.
Israel carried out its pager and radio attacks. Many initially thought the pagers’ batteries exploded, but this is nonsense. They planted explosives inside and activated them likely with a phone call. The reason we know this is one of the videos of them exploding, one can hear various beeping sounds or ringing mere seconds before the explosion.
Secondly, there was a preponderance of eye injuries, which appears to imply the pagers rang or beeped, causing the victims to bring them up toward their face to inspect the number or message, after which the explosion hit them directly in the eyes:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israel-putters-into-crisis-zelensky
A child picked up a pager and it blew her face off. She was eight years old. Driver had phones explode and their car killed people. Solar panels in hospitals exploded as did pagers, laptops, phones.
Israel blew up doctors, medical workers, teachers and children in Lebanon. They targeted a brand of pager that wasn't exclusively held by Hezzbollah, and indiscriminately attacked civilians in the process.
The Law Of Exploding Pagers
John Spencer, Mark Goldfeder, and Arsen Ostrovsky
Sep 25, 2024
A member of the home front command carries a fragment from a rocket following missile strikes by Hezbollah in Kiryat Bilaik, northern Israel, on Sunday, Sept. 22, 2024. The exchange of fire between Israel and Hezbollah intensified on Sunday as the Lebanon-based group launched about 115 rockets, missiles and drones toward vast areas of Israel's north. Photographer: Kobi Wolf/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Kobi Wolf/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Last week the world watched as the terrorist army Hezbollah was hit by an attack that was equal parts debilitating and humiliating. On Tuesday, September 17, the special pagers carried by Hezbollah operatives suddenly exploded. Then, on Wednesday, their walkie talkies literally blew up.
Although Israel has not claimed responsibility for the operation, in the event they did carry out this historically unprecedented strike, it was entirely justified and in full accordance with international law.
It is not surprising that it did not take long for the usual chorus of anti-Israel politicians and pundits — those who only remember International Humanitarian Law (IHL) whenever they think it might hurt the Jewish State — to find some obscure provision, divorced from context, that they might deceptively latch onto and accuse Israel of violating, knowing full well that the uneducated armchair ‘experts’ who blindly follow them would thoughtlessly amplify their claims, muddy the waters of good vs. evil, and somehow make Israel the bad guy again.
This time, the frenzied cries centered around Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II to the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which prohibits the use of booby-traps in certain circumstances. Pseudo-academics like Kenneth Roth could not wait to tell their breathless adherents that IHL unequivocally “prohibits the use of booby traps” — even though it is obvious that if booby traps are prohibited in certain circumstances, they must be permitted in others.
For the record, this is one of those permitted times, and here, with citations, is why.
First, it is important to establish that communication devices ordered by terrorists, issued to terrorists, for terrorist purposes, do not count as harmless civilian objects. Under Article 52 of the Additional Protocols to Geneva Convention I, the communication devices that a designated foreign terrorist organization issues to its operatives are legitimate military targets, and this should not be controversial. The fact that civilians may also use cell phones does not mean that you cannot target a terrorist call center.
Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II provides certain restrictions as to the use of booby traps and other similar devices. Paragraph 1 lists certain categories of objects — religious objects, children’s toys, etc. — for which it is prohibited to use booby traps in all circumstances. The devices in question do not fall under any of those categories.
Paragraph 2 of Article 7 prohibits using booby traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects which are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material. As the U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual explains:
The prohibition is intended to prevent the production of large quantities of dangerous objects that can be scattered around and are likely to be attractive to civilians, especially children.
It has nothing to do with communications devices procured by terrorists for terrorists, devices that were not specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material, and were instead modified to detonate once they clearly became military objects.
Paragraph 3 of Article 7 reminds us that even when permissible any such weapon must be placed “in the close vicinity of a military objective.” It is hard to imagine a more surgically precise procedure than the destruction of personal devices that were (literally) held by terrorists.
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Analyzing the legality of a military operation also requires factoring in the principles of necessity, distinction, and proportionality. The principle of necessity permits actions necessary to accomplish a legitimate military purpose. In this instance, in a single operation, an entire enemy army was significantly impacted, and not only physically – the attack also exposed the Hezbollah network, in Lebanon but also throughout the Middle East where Hezbollah agents or affiliates were carrying these specific Hezbollah issued pagers. The devastating psychological impact also cannot be discounted; Hezbollah can no longer trust their own equipment, cannot communicate (ironically, they are rumored to have switched to pagers out of concerns Israel was monitoring their comms!), and will have to change many elements of their operations with the potential to make further mistakes that can then be exploited.
The principle of distinction requires combatants to distinguish between civilians and military objectives during armed conflict. Here, the attack specifically targeted combatants, members of the Hezbollah army who had received specific Hezbollah equipment that is usually kept on their person. The law does not require perfect accuracy, which is impossible, and that leads to the principle of proportionality: Would such an attack be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects or a combination thereof which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage that is anticipated In this case, not a chance. Recall that Hezbollah has been bombing Israel incessantly for almost a year. In a swift and defensive maneuver — fully legal under Article 51 of the UN Charter — Israel (allegedly) immobilized a large segment of a terrorist organization actively hellbent on the genocidal elimination of the country.
Reports say that a few civilians, including two children, were tragically hurt as well. Innocent civilians getting hurt is absolutely tragic, but not in any way unlawful or Israel’s fault.
The truth is that the entire booby trap framework of analysis is wrong. IF Israel did commit these actions, then it was perhaps the finest and cleanest act of lawful sabotage in military history. As the ICRC explains:
Sabotage is generally the work of individuals or small formations operating in enemy-controlled territory and taking advantage of clandestinity, surprise, and ruses of war. It is generally carried out with great precision and therefore does not usually harm the civilian population. The targets of sabotage must form part of the enemy’s material infrastructure, that is, they must be military objectives. To sum up, sabotage against the enemy is a lawful operation provided the legal rules for the choice of targets and the methods and means employed are respected.
To quote one actual international humanitarian law expert, Eugene Kontorovitch:
Those protesting the attack on Hezbollah cell phones would have been crying over bombs placed on Nazi Germany’s train tracks.
The sad conclusion is this: if you are among those who were silent while Hezbollah committed thousands of undeniable, uncontested, and unprovoked war crimes against innocent Israeli civilians — killing men, women, and children in the process — and yet now find yourself horrified that Israel finally responded in a lawful, targeted manner by neutering (in some cases literally) hundreds of the terrorists who had been indiscriminately attacking them for months — your problem is not with Israel’s actions under international law; it is with Israel’s very existence.
* * *
John Spencer is chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute (MWI) at West Point and host of the ”Urban Warfare Project Podcast.” He is the co-author of “Understanding Urban Warfare.”
Mark Goldfeder is a law professor and Director of the National Jewish Advocacy Center.
Arsen Ostrovsky is a human rights attorney who serves as CEO of The International Legal Forum and senior fellow at the Misgav Institute for National Security.
The views expressed in this piece are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent those of The Daily Wire.
No it clear wasn’t and you are not a lawyer - only anti Israel anti zionsts would say that
The Law Of Exploding Pagers
John Spencer, Mark Goldfeder, and Arsen Ostrovsky
Sep 25, 2024
A member of the home front command carries a fragment from a rocket following missile strikes by Hezbollah in Kiryat Bilaik, northern Israel, on Sunday, Sept. 22, 2024. The exchange of fire between Israel and Hezbollah intensified on Sunday as the Lebanon-based group launched about 115 rockets, missiles and drones toward vast areas of Israel's north. Photographer: Kobi Wolf/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Kobi Wolf/Bloomberg via Getty Images
Last week the world watched as the terrorist army Hezbollah was hit by an attack that was equal parts debilitating and humiliating. On Tuesday, September 17, the special pagers carried by Hezbollah operatives suddenly exploded. Then, on Wednesday, their walkie talkies literally blew up.
Although Israel has not claimed responsibility for the operation, in the event they did carry out this historically unprecedented strike, it was entirely justified and in full accordance with international law.
It is not surprising that it did not take long for the usual chorus of anti-Israel politicians and pundits — those who only remember International Humanitarian Law (IHL) whenever they think it might hurt the Jewish State — to find some obscure provision, divorced from context, that they might deceptively latch onto and accuse Israel of violating, knowing full well that the uneducated armchair ‘experts’ who blindly follow them would thoughtlessly amplify their claims, muddy the waters of good vs. evil, and somehow make Israel the bad guy again.
This time, the frenzied cries centered around Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II to the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which prohibits the use of booby-traps in certain circumstances. Pseudo-academics like Kenneth Roth could not wait to tell their breathless adherents that IHL unequivocally “prohibits the use of booby traps” — even though it is obvious that if booby traps are prohibited in certain circumstances, they must be permitted in others.
For the record, this is one of those permitted times, and here, with citations, is why.
First, it is important to establish that communication devices ordered by terrorists, issued to terrorists, for terrorist purposes, do not count as harmless civilian objects. Under Article 52 of the Additional Protocols to Geneva Convention I, the communication devices that a designated foreign terrorist organization issues to its operatives are legitimate military targets, and this should not be controversial. The fact that civilians may also use cell phones does not mean that you cannot target a terrorist call center.
Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II provides certain restrictions as to the use of booby traps and other similar devices. Paragraph 1 lists certain categories of objects — religious objects, children’s toys, etc. — for which it is prohibited to use booby traps in all circumstances. The devices in question do not fall under any of those categories.
Paragraph 2 of Article 7 prohibits using booby traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects which are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material. As the U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual explains:
The prohibition is intended to prevent the production of large quantities of dangerous objects that can be scattered around and are likely to be attractive to civilians, especially children.
It has nothing to do with communications devices procured by terrorists for terrorists, devices that were not specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material, and were instead modified to detonate once they clearly became military objects.
Paragraph 3 of Article 7 reminds us that even when permissible any such weapon must be placed “in the close vicinity of a military objective.” It is hard to imagine a more surgically precise procedure than the destruction of personal devices that were (literally) held by terrorists.
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Analyzing the legality of a military operation also requires factoring in the principles of necessity, distinction, and proportionality. The principle of necessity permits actions necessary to accomplish a legitimate military purpose. In this instance, in a single operation, an entire enemy army was significantly impacted, and not only physically – the attack also exposed the Hezbollah network, in Lebanon but also throughout the Middle East where Hezbollah agents or affiliates were carrying these specific Hezbollah issued pagers. The devastating psychological impact also cannot be discounted; Hezbollah can no longer trust their own equipment, cannot communicate (ironically, they are rumored to have switched to pagers out of concerns Israel was monitoring their comms!), and will have to change many elements of their operations with the potential to make further mistakes that can then be exploited.
The principle of distinction requires combatants to distinguish between civilians and military objectives during armed conflict. Here, the attack specifically targeted combatants, members of the Hezbollah army who had received specific Hezbollah equipment that is usually kept on their person. The law does not require perfect accuracy, which is impossible, and that leads to the principle of proportionality: Would such an attack be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects or a combination thereof which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage that is anticipated In this case, not a chance. Recall that Hezbollah has been bombing Israel incessantly for almost a year. In a swift and defensive maneuver — fully legal under Article 51 of the UN Charter — Israel (allegedly) immobilized a large segment of a terrorist organization actively hellbent on the genocidal elimination of the country.
Reports say that a few civilians, including two children, were tragically hurt as well. Innocent civilians getting hurt is absolutely tragic, but not in any way unlawful or Israel’s fault.
The truth is that the entire booby trap framework of analysis is wrong. IF Israel did commit these actions, then it was perhaps the finest and cleanest act of lawful sabotage in military history. As the ICRC explains:
Sabotage is generally the work of individuals or small formations operating in enemy-controlled territory and taking advantage of clandestinity, surprise, and ruses of war. It is generally carried out with great precision and therefore does not usually harm the civilian population. The targets of sabotage must form part of the enemy’s material infrastructure, that is, they must be military objectives. To sum up, sabotage against the enemy is a lawful operation provided the legal rules for the choice of targets and the methods and means employed are respected.
To quote one actual international humanitarian law expert, Eugene Kontorovitch:
Those protesting the attack on Hezbollah cell phones would have been crying over bombs placed on Nazi Germany’s train tracks.
The sad conclusion is this: if you are among those who were silent while Hezbollah committed thousands of undeniable, uncontested, and unprovoked war crimes against innocent Israeli civilians — killing men, women, and children in the process — and yet now find yourself horrified that Israel finally responded in a lawful, targeted manner by neutering (in some cases literally) hundreds of the terrorists who had been indiscriminately attacking them for months — your problem is not with Israel’s actions under international law; it is with Israel’s very existence.
* * *
John Spencer is chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute (MWI) at West Point and host of the ”Urban Warfare Project Podcast.” He is the co-author of “Understanding Urban Warfare.”
Mark Goldfeder is a law professor and Director of the National Jewish Advocacy Center.
Arsen Ostrovsky is a human rights attorney who serves as CEO of The International Legal Forum and senior fellow at the Misgav Institute for National Security.
The views expressed in this piece are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent those of The Daily Wire.
HAMAS AND HEZBOLLAH IS ONE BIG WAR CRIME LOL
The Israeli state is the war crime.
American Surgeon Who Volunteered in Gaza Says IDF Snipers Shoot Toddlers
'No toddler gets shot twice by mistake,' said Dr. Mark Perlmutter
https://news.antiwar.com/author/dave_decamp/ July 22, 2024 at 5:30 pm ET Categorieshttps://news.antiwar.com/category/news/
An American surgeon who volunteered in Gaza https://www.cbsnews.com/video/children-of-gaza/ in an interview that aired Sunday that Israeli snipers were purposely shooting Palestinian children, including toddlers.
“I had children who were shot twice,” said Dr. Mark Perlmutter, who said he was in Gaza at the end of April and the first couple weeks of May. “I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately and directly on the side of the head in the same child.”
Perlmutter added, “No toddler gets shot twice by mistake by ‘the world’s best snipers.’ And they’re dead-center shots.” Other foreign doctors who volunteered in Gaza https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-warhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war back in April, saying Israeli snipers were shooting children in the head.
Earlier this month, https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/published a report citing Israeli soldiers that detailed how the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) in Gaza essentially had no restrictions on who they could shoot. The report said the IDF “routinely executes” civilians who enter areas the military deemed “no-go zones,” and it detailed shootings where young children were killed.
In his interview, Perlmutter, vice president of the International College of Surgeons, said what he saw in Gaza was worse than all of the disaster zones he’s seen combined. “Forty mission trips, 30 years, Ground Zero, earthquakes. All of that combined doesn’t equal the level of carnage that I saw against civilians in just my first week in Gaza,” he said.
When asked if the civilians he saw wounded or killed were mostly children, Perlmutter said, “Almost exclusively children. I’ve never seen that before. Never seen that. I’ve seen more incinerated children than I’ve ever seen in my entire life combined. I’ve seen more shredded children in just the first week.”
Asked what he meant by “shredded” children, Perlmutter explained, “Missing body parts, being crushed by buildings, the greatest majority, or bomb explosions, the next greatest majority. We’ve taken shrapnel as big as my thumb out of eight-year-olds.”
According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/-suffering-horrifically-10-months-of-israel-s-war-on-children-in-gaza/3272681, and about 38,000 have been wounded, which includes many amputees. Due to the Israeli siege, children’s limbs https://news.sky.com/video/children-in-gaza-experience-physical-injuries-and-deep-trauma-as-childrens-limbs-are-amputated-without-anaesthetic-13148350#:~:text=Politics-,Children%20in%20Gaza%20experience%20physical%20injuries%20and%20deep%20trauma,limbs%20are%20amputated%20without%20anaesthetic
You are hilarious. Do you think punctuation is antisemitic too?
That last message ( directed at me reply ) was incorrect ; sorry
Yes directed at me
Eh?
I sent you a reply above which dispels your belief that I’m hilarious
No I don’t think punctuation is Anti Semitic clearly. My reply is above
Have a great day wherever you are
Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
https://www.tiktok.com/@danielryanspaulding/video/7296515865472716064
Anti Zionism today is worse form of Jewish ( nation ) hatred yes it is worse form of anti semitism today imo yes anti semitism ( it’s meaning has come to mean Jew hatred or prejudice towards Jews ) as it seeks the destruction of the Jewish state .. the notion that these radical left nut jobs who apologise for Islamic jihadi terrorists and use a radical left Jew who happens to be anti Zionists as cover to say “ I like Jews but as long as Jewish state doesn’t exist “ is like I have nothing against Pakistanis but Pakistan Islamic nation must be abolished - oh gee or I have burying against Arabs but all 20 plus Arab states must be abolished.. the audacity and hypocrisy to say one Jewish state now must be abolished . Well it won’t and long live Israel we support you
No mention about Islamic jihadi and Palestinian terrorism and Passover massacres and your audacity to say that a Jewish state has no right to exist in the land that you say only belongs to who ? Arab Hamas ? Arab Arafat ? Or the mufti of Jerusalem who conspired and anticipated a Hitler win to prevent a Jewish state:. Your one sided ignorance is astounding.. the Arabs in the region wanted to initially be part of Greater Syria - there was no great push from the 1920s onwards to even have a Arab state called Palestine ( let alone the fact that a Palestine state never existed ) . Being Jewish is not just adhering to Judaism it is also independently and uniquely an ethnicity similar to being an Arab ( yet being culturally or ethnically Jewish is not monolithic ) . Yet you have the temerity to dictate to Jewish people that are the NOT Jewish based on if they are not religious ( strictly with Judaism ) - the flip side irony being is that IF israel was a Jewish theocracy state ( rather than secular Jewish state ) you would be attacking that too regardless - and if it does become a theocratic Jewish state then it still has a right to exist just any other Arab state / or Islamic state exists as a theocracy ( Saudia arabia ) or simply an Arab state they are all fricken brutal with little civil liberties ( unlike Israel who has some basic civil liberties where 2 M Arab still live in Israel proper ). Jordan is almost 96 % ethnically Arab ( mixed Arab tribes ) so that must be apartheid because they have no Jews and ethnically cleansed them after 1949 from Judea Samaria - funny that - including when Jews were asked to leave from Middle East arab states and went to Israel the Jewish state.. ( thankfully ) the other fact is the MAJORITY of Jewish people are Zionists ( only a small minority of religious Jews 150,000 are technically anti Zionists for religious reasons from the majority of 7 million plus Jews who live in Israel are overwhelmingly rightly Zionists . The other radical left Marxist type hypocritical who say as a Jew are ANTI Zionists tend to be anti western and anti American too and are irrelevant as the majority of Jews in Israel ( 7 million of them are rightly Zionists ) including the world Jewry the majority of world Jewry are Zionists. Israel exists so get over it and all Islamic jihadi terrorists who want it destroyed and attack Israel must be removed . Only the peaceful Arabs who want peace with Israel as a Jewish sovereign state should naturally be allowed to stay and its Israel ( 80 % ethnic Jewish state - not monolithic ) who decides who its citizens will be or its residents will be ( just like Arab Jordan or Arab Saudia Arabia or Italy ( 90 % ethnic italian country ) decides who it’s citizens will be etc
So you're an unhinged, disgusting Islamophobe, trying the utter bullshit line that anti-Zionism is antisemitism. Now, the Zionists who made deals with the Nazis and didn't lift a finger for Jews on the way to the death camps, they were real antisemites.
The true anti-semites are those who maintain that Zionist Israel represents Judaism and Jews. They must truly hate Jews to say that Judaism and its followers promote occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zioraelis for a century.
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You must have Anti israel Anti Zionism ( Jewish state / so Anti Jewish nation state ) derangement syndrome so I suggest along with that bogus joker journalist both take some Xanax or valium and get serious help as ISRAEL EXISTS IN LAW AND FACT AS A JEWISH NATION STATE ( JEWISH MAJORITY NATION STATE and there is nothing you can do about it……… You would love to see it dismantled or destroyed - more than half of world Jews live in Israel as proud Zionists ( the next biggest population of Jews are in USA ) and your vile attacks to dismantle Israel as a Jewish a state is anti semitism to them and if it isn’t then Anti Zionism is worse and it’s vile sickness in todays context ( by radical left nut jobs or Islamists who promote it - I don’t mean Muslims and many Arabs either as many Muslims and Arabs are fine people and many are not hostile to Israel either. There are many Arab Zionists in UAE for example… the vast majority of world Jews are Zionists and to them delegitimising Israel and saying it has no right to exist is clearly anti semitic to them and if you want to say it’s different ( then anti Zionism is worse )
- the exceptions meaning the orthodox cult minority Jews who are anti Zionist for religious reasons is irrelevant as they still want Israel but at a later stage in time - and off point - these people are used by Islamists and anti Israel activists to say look we have Jews who want t destroy the Jewish state too - is just pathetic and irrelevant as again the vast majorly of Jews are rightly Zionists…….
I am anti sadistic and bestial savagery as practised by Zionist Israel, as any sane human would be.
Israel flinging bodies off rooftops is nothing new to the Resistance forces
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Zionist soldiers repeatedly kick a lifeless body of a Palestinian before throwing the body off the roof. Qabatiya, occupied West Bank
Palestine has endured countless sadistic attacks and savagery for the last 100 years and has seen an unprecedented increase in such barbarity since October 7th.
Prisoners have recounted being paraded before the Israeli public in cages, being spat at and having bananas thrown at them. Human rights and recent press reports detail instances where soldiers inserted a mobile phone into a prisoner’s anus and then called it, laughing as it rang inside his body. Soldiers have also taunted prisoners by claiming they were playing soccer with their children’s heads in Gaza. These instances provide only a glimpse into the sadistic behaviour exhibited by Israelis against Palestinians during times of genocide.
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The cruelty that has been witnessed through the live stream videos and images emanating from Gaza and the occupied territories has been off the scale. Yesterday Al Jazeera received footage of a young man injured in an air strike in Gaza, huddled in the crater trying to call for help. A Zionist drone obliterated him.
On the 20th September in Qabatiya, occupied West Bank - at least two videos were published showing Zionist forces abusing lifeless Palestinian bodies before flinging them off the roof. The soldiers dragged one body to the edge of the roof, kicked it multiple times before pushing the body over the edge to tumble to the ground.
A second body was swung by the soldiers before being flung from the roof to the ground below. Reports alleged that an Israeli bulldozer was dispatched to retrieve both bodies, denying the return of the dead to their families. A reported three bodies were disposed of in this way.
Ameed Shehadeh, a correspondent for Al-Arabi who also witnessed the incident, told CNN:
“A bulldozer tried to demolish the house to bring the bodies down. That didn’t work. Soldiers went up and kicked and pushed the bodies off the roof, as we have seen.”
Shehadeh also said a fourth body had been thrown off an adjacent roof.
From Al Mayadeeen:
Videos circulating on social media show Israeli occupation forces desecrating and throwing the bodies of Palestinians they killed off a building in the city of Qabatiya in Jenin. Earlier, Al Mayadeen's correspondent reported that Israeli occupation forces stormed Qabatiya, surrounding several Palestinian homes and firing Energa shells at one of them. Our correspondent added that the bodies of several martyrs were on the rooftop of one of the houses after being targeted by the occupation forces, who also prevented ambulance crews from reaching the injured.
The US state department claimed to be “deeply disturbed” but “is waiting for the results of the IDF investigation into the incident”. John Kirby - “"If it's proven to be authentic, it clearly would depict abhorrent and egregious behaviour by professional soldiers”. Effectively asking a mass murderer to investigate a killing spree and find themselves innocent. Imagine this crime carried out by a Russian soldier or by the Syrian Arab Army. Would the US allied response be so muted?
Palestine-based journalist Jonathan Cook wrote the following about the AP coverage of the Zionist rooftop crimes:
The coverage of Israeli soldiers pushing three Palestinians off a roof in the West Bank – it's unclear if they are dead or near-dead – is being barely reported by the western media, even though it was videoed from two different angles and a reporter from the main US news agency Associated Press witnessed it.
AP reported on this some nine hours ago. Its feed is accessed by all western establishment media, so they all know.
Yet again, the media has chosen to ignore Israeli war crimes, even when there is definitive proof that they occurred. (Or perhaps more accurately: even more so when there is definitive proof they occurred.)
Remember, that same media never fails to highlight – or simply make up – any Palestinian crime (such as those non-existent "beheaded babies").
AP itself treats this incident in the West Bank town of Qabatiya as no big deal. It reports that it may be part of a "pattern of excessive force" by Israeli soldiers towards Palestinians.
That comment, without quote marks and ascribed to a human rights group, is almost certainly AP's preferred characterisation of the group's reference to a pattern not of "excessive force" but of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.
AP makes sure to give Israel's pretext for why it is committing war crimes: "Israel says the raids are necessary to stamp out militancy."
But it forgets yet again to mention why that "militancy" exists: because Israel has been violently enforcing an illegal military occupation of the Palestinian territories for many decades, in which it – once again illegally – drafts in an army of settler militias to drive out the native Palestinian population.
AP also forgets to mention that, under international law, the Palestinians have every right to resist Israel's occupying soldiers, including "militantly".
Western governments might characterise Palestinians shooting at Israeli soldiers as "terrorism", but that's not how it is seen in the international law codes that western states drafted decades ago and that they claim to uphold.
It's also worth noting that the local Palestinian reporter who witnessed this crime had his report rewritten by "Julia Frankel, an Associated Press reporter in Jerusalem".
As is true with many other western outlets, AP copy is editorially overseen from Jerusalem, where its office is staffed mostly with Israeli Jews.
Western news outlets doubtless privately rationalise this to themselves as a wise precaution, making sure their copy is "sensitive" to Israel's perspective and less likely to incur the wrath of the Israeli government and Israel lobby.
Which is precisely the problem. The bias in western reporting is baked in. It's designed not to upset Israel – in the midst of a "plausible genocide", according to the World Court – which means it's entirely skewed and completely untrustworthy.
It makes our media utterly complicit in Israel's war crimes, including when Israeli soldiers throw Palestinians off a roof.
War is horrible horrible and it was started by Hamas again who throw Gazans off buildings and torture their own. Of course one should criticise anything wrong someone does. Bin Laden the terrorist was thrown out to sea And if those shooters shot by IDF were terrorists then ditto but if they were innocent then Israel will likely prosecute them. ( unlike Hamas if a Palestinian Gazans in the converse kills a Jew or torture them )
When you ignore and don’t write about Hamas atrocities on Palestinians and distort the whole picture against Israel abd it’s actual existence as I have pointed your blood libels then you are Anti Zionist Anti semite ( anti Jewish state bigot )…
When you say israel shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state itself then you are Anti Jewish state anti Semite and say nothing about the Arab or Islamic states and ignore their atrocities then again you are practising Anti Zionism anti semitism as people like Douglas Murray clearly point out…….
You promote a one sided narrative and you are a fraud even saying israel doesn’t exist itself with meaningless gobble de kook.. you are despicable
Then say israel the Jewish state is a racist state when Jordan and others have an Arab and Islamic state and let in no Jews as citizens ( let alone the fact that being Jewish is not even a race - so your use is fraudulent deceptive like every thing else about your whole one sided narrative
You are selecting bits and pieces from bias or discredited sources and anti Israel sources and or cherry picking choosing to make your own skewered anti Israel Bullshit opinion as fact
Yes mainly misleading and deceptive mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective conclusions ( not facts ) drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish state ) pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same.. you also full of selective inconsistencies and feeble points which even undercut against your own points at times…
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure despicable hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It is hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers clearly did not deploy nearly the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish sovereign state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel ( a Jewish majority sovereign state ) but you side step that. Or perhaps you don’t as that is your toxic goal too and you must be condemned.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
Goodbye so don’t bother replying again please.
The evil that is Israel is outdoing even Nazi Germany. The Israelis are so debased they do not even attempt to hide their genocidal intent.
And it is this bestial savagery which has rotted within the Israeli state since it invented itself. The poison which drips from Zionist Israel taints the world and Judaism.
Quote: Other prominent Israelis, in recent months, have also called on the military to carry out mass extermination in northern Gaza. “Remove the entire civilian population from the north, and whoever remains there will be lawfully sentenced as a terrorist and subjected to a process of starvation or extermination,” Prof. Uzi Rabi, a senior researcher at Tel Aviv University, elaborated in a radio interview on Sept. 15. And in August, according to a report in Ynet, government ministers had already started pressuring Netanyahu to “cleanse” northern Gaza of its inhabitants.
Another proposal was written in July by several Israeli academics, titled “From a murderous regime to a moderate society: The transformation and reconstruction of Gaza after Hamas.”
According to that plan, which was submitted to Israeli decision-makers, “total defeat” of Hamas is a precondition for starting a process of “deradicalization” of Palestinians in Gaza. “It is important that the Palestinian public also has a broad perception of Hamas’ defeat,” its authors argued, adding: “‘First aid’ can begin in areas purged of Hamas.” One of the proposal’s authors, Dr. Harel Chorev, a senior researcher at the Moshe Dayan Center where Rabi also works, expressed full support for Eiland’s plan.
Since the army has claimed civilians can leave northern Gaza — although soldiers randomly shoot and kill those Palestinian civilians who try to evacuate — it treats anyone who remains in the city as a terrorist. Such a strategy aligns with what Lt. Col. A., commander of the Israeli Air Force’s drone squadron, told Ynet in August about the operation to rescue hostages in Nuseirat Camp: “Whoever did not flee, even if he was unarmed, as far as we were concerned, was a terrorist. Everyone we killed should have been killed.”
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To those reading the posts from James Jenkins, he is saying that the atrocities committed by the Nazis in WWII were on an equal basis as any violence from those they oppressed, including the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.
His position is that violence, at levels of true savagery, committed by Israel to maintain occupation and colonisation of Palestine is to be equated with violence, at minimal levels, committed by the Palestinians in their lawful fight for justice and freedom from occupation.
By any stretch of law and imagination his position is ridiculous.
I am not replying to you. I am correcting your disinformation for others.
This colonial war against Palestine was started by Zionists and Jews in the 1920’s when Jewish terrorist gangs began their bloody rampage throughout Palestine, paving the way for the Zionist invasion of genocidal ethnic cleansing in 1947.
Since then the Zioraelis have maintained a level of sadistic and bestial savagery against the Palestinians which ranks as some of the worst in history, as they have continued to take more of Palestine and dispossess its people.
There is absolutely nothing that the Palestinian Resistance and Hamas has ever done which comes close to the barbaric savagery and cruelty of the Israelis toward the Palestinians.
And since any violence committed by Palestinians has been a just and legal fight for freedom and justice in their homeland and all violence committed by Zioraelis has been an unjust fight to steal someone else’s country and to exterminate or expel its native people, then logic and law decree that the Palestinians are the victims and the Israelis the evil oppressors.
Mufti of Jerusalem sided with Hitler to prevent a Jewish state on the gamble that Hitler would win and help kill more Jews so go for it . The only bigot is you. As for religion in the region. Blood libels and spreading lies and comparing Israel or zionsm to Hitter is just another blood libel and is anti semitism . Saying israel shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state but Arab states can exist again is anti semitism ( jew nation prejudice hatred yes - anti semitism means discrimination against the Jewish people for having a Jewish state absolutely ) . Of course you can legitimately criticise or protest against it’s government like Netanyahu like many Israelis do ( gee you can’t do that in Iran or Saudis Arabia or Jordan or Syria much without being murdered or jailed )
Nearly Every other Arab / islamic state or region in the area including the Palestinian authority ( not to mention Hamas ) has an officially established religion Islam and discriminates both in law and in fact against non Muslims - especially Jews. Israel in contrast ( for years ) is in practice ( although a Jewish state ) secular state that is religiously and racially pluralistic with freedom of religion for all. Moreover, several other Arab states and the Palestinian authority have laws of return, and Jordan has laws prohibiting Jews from becoming citizens, but only Israel - whose law grew out of a history of Jews being slaughtered because no other state or Palestine under the British mandate would accept refugees - is condemned by hypocritical radical left bigots and Islamists for its law of return which has the right to do
The religion being persecuted today is Islam. In Palestine it is both Islam and Christianity at the hands of the Israeli colonial savages.
You never get your comparisons correct. If Pakistan was doing what Israel is doing and has been doing for nearly 80 years, then, like Israel, Pakistan should be eradicated, dismantled, abolished. But Pakistan is not doing what Israel is doing. In fact no other State is, certainly none claiming to be Western democracies as Israel does.
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Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
They have Free Tibet protests all the time still
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There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
They have Free Tibet protests all the time still
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
They have Free Tibet protests all the time still
https://www.tiktok.com/@danielryanspaulding/video/7296515865472716064
https://youtu.be/btVFgqkgkzw?si=rHZZQOTwyl2DzrYQ
https://x.com/vividprowess/status/1839070346135195779?s=42&t=Oe4Epqw10N34bNkRw6Mz4A
Omg Roslyn Ross you talk such deranged Bullshit
Israel has multiple religions being practised within Israel and yet please tell me is Judaism and Synagogues or Jewish people even allowed in Gaza or Westbank administered by PA ? No Gaza is Islamic jihadi ruled with no Jews
Also even so called moderate Jordan destroyed Synagoge and threw Jews out when they annexed Westbank
https://x.com/vividprowess/status/1839070346135195779?s=42&t=Oe4Epqw10N34bNkRw6Mz4A
Can Tibetans even vote ? So Rosy isn’t?? if they could should just vote in Hamas ( like westbank Palestinians ) would . There is no comparison to Tibetans actions and Hamas Palestinians Arafat actions with Passover massacres etc and of Tibetans did that they would be slaughtered and yet now Tibetans are suppressed and can’t vote under Chinese rule anyway ( well perhaps Israel should try that and fully annex Westbank instead of trying what they did in 2000 with Arafat and offer them a state AND instead of WITHDRAWING from Gaza in 2005 they should just annex kill all the jihadi and Arab Islamic terrorists and give peaceful Palestinians residency some liberal quality of life like Costa Rica ( Tibetans are suppressed and can’t vote anyway ) .. but you support islamic terrorism as wait “ resistance “ and the destruction of Israel ( do Tiberius seek the destruction of China ? No you fool
https://freedomhouse.org/country/tibet/freedom-world/2023
Oh dear. What an amazingly absurdly ignorant rant which has no basis in reality. You really are making a fool of yourself. At the very least, I suggest you do some genuine study into this issue, if you are capable of it. What you have written in this thread so far is as ignorant and fallacious as the claims of Donald Trump.
If criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism, what then is criticism of Palestine but anti-Arab racism?
Just do confirm for completeness -criticism of Israel is clearly NOT deemed anti semitism and nor should it ever be. That is absurd as so many Israelis do and should criticise Israel policies and their government including Netanyahu - eg removing court powers was wrong - disagreeing how to save hostages etc etc allowing Oct 7 to happen lack of Israel - there was wide agreement that Hamas must be dismantled and Israel having a right to defend itself - but avoiding killings which is difficult when Hamas militant terrorists is embedded in the infrastructure of civilian areas - hence the tragedy and delay all round. Clearly Hamas are not the freedom fighters as it had the opposite effect on any sane view
But anti Zionism in the context of Hamas and Hezbollah manifestos and radical left types radicals who call them resistance is a form of genocidal anti semitism as it obviously they all seek the destruction of the Jewish nation homeland nation Zion state called Israel
For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
Westbank was part of Jordan for 20 years and lost it after 67 war to who not to Palestine state as they rejected it - how odd you twist it otherwise
UN WATCH
The nation with biggest Jewish population is Israel and are proud Zionists ( 7.2 million Jews in the Jewish state - followed by USA of over 5 M
I state this fact and you ridiculous try and absurdly conflate and twist facts
The whole western world accepts it now as a Jewish state for over 50 years now - advocacy
You repeat constantly disinformation and a fringe belief that israel is not even Jewish state and should not exist - that is hardly the push among western governments not now and not ever.
The disputed Palestinian territories outside Israel proper borders THAT CAN ONLY BE NEGOTIATED BY ISRAEL AND NON JIHADI MODERATE PALESTINIANS with land swaps a different story and we can endless debates about that ( sure the consensus has been for a two state solution and a future Palestinian seperate Arab state within the disputed territories that already partly have autonomy rule within a state of Israel which I and countless of Israelis and other Arab states believed should finally happen in for example 2000 that Arafat rejected after the most left wing Israel governments offered them 94 % of WB with land swaps and proceeded with Passover type massacres for 5 years ( - but cannot happen now with Islamic terrorism oh Oct 7 ) not your tripe nonsense that Israel shouldn’t exist at all - that’s hardly the mainstream push by sensible Westen government around the world only extreme radical left types like you and Islamist jihadi with manifesto to destroy Israel )
Alternatively there is some push to have a type of confederate confederation two nations within seperate state with a costs rica system again more autonomy with a PALESTINIAN Authority and UAE and Saudia arabia / Jordan helping to administer with Palestinian governing entity in area a and b and Gaza - Israel being more stable stronger state in the area helping security and ridding the place of Islamic jihadi extremists..
Which be a good think
Not at all which means again you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
My comment was not directed to you nor to anyone in particular. It was directed at people who claim, explicitly or implicitly, that criticism of Israel is antisemitism.
If it came personally to you, that happened by accident 😔
No problem - thanks again for the courtesy ( Bleak Ph )
You can criticise israel like most Israelis do and want to vote out Netanyahu
I critised the rot within Palestinian society who could have had a seperate state ( yes I have always believed in a two state solution in principle ) but they rejected from 1937 to 2008 and most Israelis have lost faith after the second wave of Arab Islamic terrorism from the West Bank ( and Gaza ) into Israel from 2000 to 2005
Criticising Islamic terrorism that is what I do
As the so called ‘ son of Hamas ‘ stated Palestinianism has been all about destroying the Jewish state not about creating one of their own otherwise they would have one already ( granted some do one want but they had bad leadership )
What is also overlooked is that Israel is a military state where most adult citizens serve in the military or remain reservists.
It does not have a real standing army which only fights. People can either work and keep the economy afloat or fight and keep the occupation in place. They cannot do both.
I also suspect 5000 have been killed and the official figure of around 10,000 injured/permanently maimed many of them, is closer to 15-20,000. Such figures are always lied about.
So, not only are soldiers not working, neither are wounded soldiers working and the State must carry the cost of hospital, rehabilitation and support.
I suspect this latest phase of the ongoing colonial war has really hit Israel hard and yet all they can do is lie about it to themselves and others.
As Retired Israeli Major-General, Yitzhak Brik said recently, if the war does not end Israel is likely to collapse in a year.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240822-israel-could-collapse-within-a-year-if-war-of-attrition-continues-warns-retired-general/
https://www.tiktok.com/@danielryanspaulding/video/7296515865472716064
Oh ok you mean the doomsdayer man
It might we don’t know - Lebanon can be destroyed too as can Iran regime
Israel has technology economy and yes ofcourse war harms economy - its not rocket science
Hamas has done enormous damage to the Arab Palestinians living in their defacto state ( in Israel or outside Israel proper or otherwise )
James Jenkins -You are clearly incapable of comprehending realities.
Lebanon cannot be destroyed without taking Israel with it. Palestine cannot be destroyed without taking Israel with it.
Israel lost this colonial war long ago. Hamas defeated the Israeli Extermination Army in Gaza and the Lebanese will defeat them as well.
If Israel keeps killing, bombing and waging war, it just brings its end that much faster. You see, the world simply will not tolerate Israel exterminating 16 million Palestinians, half in the Diaspora, which it would need to do to have a final solution to its Palestine Problem.
And the world will not tolerate, not even the Americans, Israel trying to exterminate another 6 million - magic number - in Lebanon. It will not happen.
Israel is irrelevant to the world. A tiny thug of a country which will not be missed. However, Israel cannot survive without the world and if its airports, military bases and ports are closed, Israel will not last a week. Already half the colonists have left and gone back to where they came from. They continue to leave and they will not come back because there will be nothing to which they can come back. Israel is over.
You can kill people but you cannot kill an idea. Even if Israel managed to exterminate 6 million Christians and Muslims in Occupied Palestine - the magic number - there are still another 10 million Palestinians who will continue to fight for their homeland. Two million in what is called Israel for the moment and 8 million in the Diaspora.
The Israelis must rank as some of the most stupid people in history. Instead of working to make friends, you know, win hearts and minds, with the Palestinians and their neighbours they have done everything possible to make them hate Israel with a passion. Understandably so. Israel is a rogue state, a racist, fascist, genocidal, savage state with a sadistic barbarian culture.
How to destroy yourself is to act as Israel as acted, to believe the insanities Israelis believe and to act with such sadistic savagery that eventually the point is reached where most people in the world just want you eradicated.
Mufti of Jerusalem sided with Hitler to prevent a Jewish state on the gamble that Hitler would win and help kill more Jews so go for it . The only bigot is you. As for religion in the region. Blood libels and spreading lies and comparing Israel or zionsm to Hitter is just another blood libel and is anti semitism . Saying israel shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state but Arab states can exist again is anti semitism ( jew nation prejudice hatred yes - anti semitism means discrimination against the Jewish people for having a Jewish state absolutely ) . Of course you can legitimately criticise or protest against it’s government like Netanyahu like many Israelis do ( gee you can’t do that in Iran or Saudis Arabia or Jordan or Syria much without being murdered or jailed )
Nearly Every other Arab / islamic state or region in the area including the Palestinian authority ( not to mention Hamas ) has an officially established religion Islam and discriminates both in law and in fact against non Muslims - especially Jews. Israel in contrast ( for years ) is in practice ( although a Jewish state ) secular state that is religiously and racially pluralistic with freedom of religion for all. Moreover, several other Arab states and the Palestinian authority have laws of return, and Jordan has laws prohibiting Jews from becoming citizens, but only Israel - whose law grew out of a history of Jews being slaughtered because no other state or Palestine under the British mandate would accept refugees - is condemned by hypocritical radical left bigots and Islamists for its law of return which has the right to do
How many times do you intend to use this same post?
I just send it for first time. But can you count ? I hope you can. Have a nice day
You're joking! I see the same post at least three times here.
As a Former Hostage of the Palestinian Resistance, I Refuse to Support Genocide
Reckoning and dealing with Israel's culpability, not vengeance, is the only path to ending this recurring nightmare.
By Catherine Hodes , Truthout
PublishedSeptember 18, 2024
I was a hostage in 1970 at age 13, caught in global events that were beyond my capacity to comprehend. I was held, together with my younger sister, for a week under difficult conditions. It began when the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine commandeered our aircraft not long after we left Frankfurt, a stopover on our trip from Israel to New York City, where we lived. I had visited close relatives in Tel Aviv six times in my short life, usually during summer vacations from school. This trip home began like all the others, but soon turned into a traumatic odyssey, beginning with the screams of passengers as a man ran toward the cockpit brandishing a gun.
Many frightening hours later, we landed in the Jordan desert as captives. Outside the window of the plane in which we were trapped, I could see trucks mounted with machine guns, tents and supplies, and people dressed in fatigues and keffiyehs. Two other hijacked planes landed alongside us. The next day, I saw dynamite being wired through the plane’s cabin; a serious man questioned me as to why I had been in Israel, and required me to relinquish my American passport. I was hot and dirty and hungry and scared. I concentrated on watching over my younger sister who seemed numb and pale with shock. Over the days I spent in the desert, Jewish passengers were separated and a select group of non-Jews were released. Babies wailed, passengers prayed, including those who donned Tefillin in the aisles, swaying and davening. The Palestinian commandos in charge of the planes brought medications for sick hostages, played jump rope with children, fed hundreds of people, and told us their stories (termed propaganda by news outlets).
My sister and I were released six days after our ordeal began. Along with most of the other hostages (some though, remained captive), we were driven in small trucks through the desert, through the city of Amman, then flown to Cyprus for processing, and finally returned home to family, school and friends. In spite of nightmares and disruptions, it never occurred to me that anyone should pay for what had happened to us. Instead, I wondered why it had happened.
I had been raised in a secular Jewish family, no Bat Mitzvah, no planting trees in Israel, and only celebrating Passover when invited to others’ Seders. But like most every New York Jew with roots in Ashkenazi Europe, I absorbed the notion of a Jewish State as naturally as drinking water or breathing air. My childhood visits to Israeli relatives involved beaches, adventure, food, a new language, and children to run around and play with. I was also aware of relatives in army fatigues carrying weapons, the placement of tape over windows, and bomb shelter directions; things a young child might not think about too deeply. But of course, I grew up and began to recall those images and ponder them.
I vividly remember an argument I had in my twenties with a close friend, also Jewish, who stated that the Holocaust demanded the establishment of the State of Israel. Although at the time I could not have discussed the alternative concept of Jewish diasporism, I remember saying, “Why does establishing a safe place for Jews mean herding us all into one small area, as if other places should not be safe for us? And why must the people in that area, who had nothing to do with the Holocaust, be eradicated? How does safety for Jews lead to the destruction of a whole other people?”
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Israel Has Built an Economy Fueled by Genocide at Home and Abroad
With the help of the US, Israel exports instruments of oppression abroad, while testing them against Palestinians.
By Ciudong Ng , TruthoutSeptember 1, 2024
Later, my learning continued. I learned that the hijackers who held 300 hostages on three planes in the desert were not religious zealots. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine was a secular group with a Marxist-Leninist ideology, whose goal was to establish one socialist democratic Palestinian state. They were political revolutionaries, seeking justice, to be heard and to return home. But it wasn’t until the Second Intifada in 2000 that I personally began to understand Israel’s provocations and aggression, its goal to undermine an independent Palestinian state with growing numbers of armed and illegal settlements, increasing civilian deaths, and the razing of thousands of farms and homes. The murder of American Rachel Corrie in 2003, along with the violent retaliation by Israel towards Palestinian people protesting injustice, further reified why I had been held hostage 30 years earlier — a tiny figure in a vast and bloody landscape of occupation, colonialism and genocide, which I was painfully beginning to grasp.
In spite of nightmares and disruptions, it never occurred to me that anyone should pay for what had happened to us. Instead, I wondered why it had happened.
Six hostages were found dead in a tunnel on September 1. My heart breaks for today’s hostages. I know what my parents went through while I was being held captive. What the families of today’s hostages are enduring is indescribably searing. Will they find comfort in the deaths of tens of thousands of people in the names of their loved ones? My own father wanted to fly to Jordan and rescue us. Our captivity took a great toll. Never though, did he articulate wanting revenge or retaliation. The only words I recall were expressions of sorrow about the intractability of global politics, and the rising death toll in Palestine. The agonizing experience of being a hostage causes me to resonate deeply with the closing off of the Gaza Strip, the families trapped there, and the Palestinians held hostage to Israeli policy and in Israeli prisons.
At 13, I thought the United States might drop bombs on the hijackers who held us. In fact, years later, I learned this was Nixon’s plan, which was discouraged by Melvin Laird, his secretary of defense. As a child, I was as afraid of the American bombs as I was of my captor’s dynamite. There was no difference. I didn’t want to die; I didn’t want anyone to die. I wanted to go home to my family, my community. In my experience, and the experience of current Israeli hostages and their families, calls for vengeance and overpowering force create more danger and serve to intensify the conditions that caused the hostage-taking in the first place.
Jews will never find safety or live our values by laying claim to a small and ancient strip of land, not deserted and unloved as the Zionists, influenced by European colonizers, insisted, but filled with people and farms and villages with names. Jews belong everywhere. Everywhere we live, everywhere we contribute, including the places where we were once exiled and murdered. Living in the diaspora while maintaining connection to our culture and identity is the way Jews have survived for millennia with our values and humanity intact.
Were it not for the genocide carried out in our names over the last 75 years, perhaps we would also be living peacefully and productively in Palestine.
Hiam Abbas is a famous actress but many fans of series such as 'Succession' and 'Ramy' are probably unaware she's Palestinian. Even cinephiles may not realise because her best movies are arguably 'In Syria' and 'I Still Hide to Smoke' (set in Algeria). But we don't see white English women continually playing roles as Swedes, Czechs and French. Colonialsim has different effect. Her 2020 movie, 'Gaza, My Love', offers a clue but it isn't widely distributed. Yeah, I'm being long-winded, but my point is that you should look back to 2008 when she was the lead in 'Lemon Tree' which is described as "the story of a Palestinian widow who must defend her lemon tree field when a new Israeli Defense Minister moves next to her, and threatens to have her lemon grove torn down." - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_j1llK3Fco
https://www.primevideo.com/detail/Omar-Subtitled/0FWLLK5WKKVU3BEZAZ92D62HR4
https://youtu.be/n-4lRJkbLrU?si=g2K5MxFnYw-ZwmqA
Oh dear
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/antisemitism-has-always-been-a-shapeshifting-virus-douglas-murray/video/63a27ba316071c9c349709b44adc97dd
This purported facts ( yet a flawed ahistorical narrative ) regarding Palestine has so many holes in it where do I begin.
Begin at the beginning. Make a case refuting every fact stated.
You assert many things in your recent article as facts but many are not - they are just your one sided narrative and wishful thinking - it’s actually despicable and dishonest and misleading and deceptive with respect..
Make a case refuting one fact stated.
Wrong
Roger Hawcroft looks at typos to deflect from the actual blatant bogus narrative being peddled here . I am patient and I will continue to state this fact when one sided flawed narratives are being peddled. So you ought to take note or follow your own advice and either stop embarrassing yourself with pointless deflections and sanctimony including stop being misleading.. … i multi task while I’m typing here so of-course there may be spelling errors or is that snelling oppos spelling
PALESTINE DOES NOT EXIST AS A NATION STATE IT NEVER DID. ISRAEL DOES… PERIOD !! IF I DECIDE TO ADD MORE AT A LATER TIME I WILL BUT ITS VIRTUALLY POINTLESS TO BIGOTED PEOPLE WHO PEDDLE RUBBISH AND IGNORE OTHER VITAL FACTS
On the contrary. I know almost all the facts. I don’t follow a one sided narrative that does not contain all the facts. Fact Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed. Palestine never existed as a country nation state for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one. Fact is israel exists as a nation state so deal with it and accept or move away you are wasting your time with dire tribe otherwise seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
You don't. No matter where you start a lie nor where you take it will prevent it being a lie. Therefore, as you claim the facts convey a false narrative, when they actually tell the true story, you may as well stay silent and not embarrass or shame yourself.
All lies mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective opinions drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionists pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same..
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers and that did not reply the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel but you side step that.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
Goodbye so don’t bother replying again please.
Most sane people of conscience and intelligence are anti-Zionism for the same reason they were anti-Nazism and are anti-Fascist.
The Dahiya doctrine is genocide in the name of fascist bigotry.
When Israel gets things exploding in homes, public places, cars, offices, shops it will not be able to complain having set the precedent.
Hezbollah is a militia which the Israelis helped set up. They love their enemies to have Islamic links. They need their enemies to have Islamic links.
Hezbollah is fighting to end Israeli occupation in Lebanon and just as the Allies sided with those occupied by the Germans, so they side with those occupied by the Israelis. Simple logic. And justice.
Hezbollah and Hamas are designated to be, there's the word, yay, Islamic, terrorist entities by the Israelis and those they influence. They are no more terrorists than were the French and Polish Resistance.
A lot of Jews want to bring the state of Zionist Israel to an end as do all people of intelligence and conscience.
Hezbollah wants to destroy Israeli aggression. The Israelis have attacked Lebanon so many times, littered it with cluster bombs, assassinated, pulled off the silo explosion and slaughtered their way around their neighbour too often for the Lebanese not to hate them.
As a military colonial occupier, and it still occupies part of Lebanon, Israel has no right to self-defence. There is no right to self defence against those you occupy and exterminate.
Your bullshit levels are impressive. Go and read the latest Hamas charter, 2017 and get facts not your opinion.
Iran has nothing to do with Israeli savagery, except to be on the receiving end of it.
Jews can vote out Governments in Israel, non-Jews cannot. Six million Palestinians under Israeli colonial rule get no vote at all. And any study of Israel makes it clear that the movers and shakers ensure that even jewish votes do not count for much. It is a corrupt fascist tyranny.
THERE ARE NO ISRAELI CITIZENS. There is only Jewish nationality. Israelis do not exist. Only Jews have rights in Jewdistan, otherwise known as Israel, for the moment.
You can repeat it all you like but no occupier has a right to self defense.
Technically speaking Israel does not exist and I do not define who is Jewish, facts, reality, logic define who is Jewish and that is a follower of Judaism. Always was.
Jews DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO A HOMELAND. NO RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO A HOMELAND.
If religions did have a right to a homeland it would be where their religion was invented. For Jews that would be Iraq and Christians would have a right to Palestine. Fortunately no such right exists.
Israel was always weak. Any State founded in bigotry, hatred, paranoid fear and violence is weak.
And your diatribe blaming Hamas does not wash. No-one believes it because they know the truth. They know there is nowhere to run in Gaza. They know it is a prison.
They know Israel bombs places it has told people are safe.
They know Israeli snipers shoot toddlers in the head and heart and pregnant women in the stomach.
They know the Israeli forces destroy hospitals and execute doctors, nurses, patients and toss their bodies into pits.
They know the Israeli forces crush the dying, dead and injured underneath their tanks.
They know the Israelis torture and rape men, women and children.
They know the Israelis bomb water facilities.
They know the Israelis refuse water, food, medical aid.
They know the Israelis are starving the Palestinians because they have said so.
They know the Israelis lie, kill and steal.
All of this is fact and data recorded by Israeli and international human rights groups.
And you are saying the Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto where there was also nowhere to run or hide, were using civilians as human shields, because they dared to resist their occupiers. Shame on you. That is a disgraceful position to take.
If that’s what you believe - a flawed false narrative of Palestine then I say to you should practise what you preach and STAY SILENT before embarrassing yourself and get educated on the facts - you would even deflect the fact that Palestine never existed as country or nation state so your narrative you peddle with others is flawed and broken. Oppressor / oppressed matrix yes ? Lol
You are saying that a country which others deem not to be a country even though the historical facts declare that it is, has no rights? You are trying to use a ridiculous and easily disproven argument that because Palestine was not a country then the European colonists who invaded and now call themselves Israelis, have a right to commit colonial genocidal ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture, theft on the people of Palestine.
What an appalling claim to make. In a civilized world, our modern world everyone has human rights and NO-ONE, not even racist Zionists and Jews have a right to subject anyone to one of the most sadistic, savage, bestial and evil military colonial occupations in history.
I realise Israelis and many of their supporters are brainwashed and bigoted, which does diminish intelligence, but either you make a case to prove your position or we conclude it has no substance and you cannot.
Palestine has a history going back more than 5000 years according to Egyptologists. We have maps, records, letters, reports, drawings, etchings, paintings, and then photographs of Palestine and Palestinians going back thousands of years. The delusional claim Palestine did not exist is ridiculous.
Palestine was a country even if it was not a nation state. The concept of nation state is historically recent, first mooted in the 18th century and only becoming a reality in the 19th century. Neither Italy or Germany were nation states until the late 19th century, but if you told them they did not exist prior to this point, despite being countries for thousands of years, they would rightly conclude you were insane.
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You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself can rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel but again is today and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
I believe what is supported by facts and evidence. What you are saying to me is of no consequence for it is based on neither.
Before the Arabs helped the British to overcome the Ottomans, after which Britain went back on its promise and eventually, along with other European powers and a more reluctant USA, they gave in to a Zionist lobby and created the State of Israel. It was perfidy from the start.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Julian_and_Anna_Epstein_Palestine_Passport_1939_p_2.jpg
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/asmaa-khalil-el-kersh_when-the-jewish-refugees-were-granted-citizenship-activity-7178726205561397248-ed1v/
So, please stop writing your scurrilous nonsense which only adds insult to injury, particularly right now when Israel is committing Genocide.
Zionism was founded in terrorism and so was Zionist Israel. One reason the UN made the recommendation for partition was fear of Zionist terrorism. And they gave the illegal European colonists most of Palestine, knowing they planned to take it all, and hoping it would slow them down. Which it did not.
The partition of Palestine was illegal, immoral and one of the most barbaric colonial exercises in history.
Zionist terrorism, behind the scenes, has never stopped. It is now why the US Government and President are run by Zionist agendas and why many countries in Europe and the UK, Australia, Canada and others, are not taking a stand as they should.
Unfortunately fascist movements thrive in the fertile soil of cowardice and most humans are cowards. Those who are not the Zionists assassinate.
Zionist bullying, behind the sce
If you don’t know that or don’t realise that already then you cannot be educated with the facts as you claim to be.
You assert many things in your recent article as facts but many are not - they are just your one sided narrative and wishful thinking - it’s actually despicable and dishonest and misleading and deceptive with respect..
I've recommended that movie to all my friends.. They're invariably shocked at the details...
Americans (among others) are susceptible to propaganda & Israel has been able to spew its propaganda for a VERY long time while labeling Palestinians as uncultured liars if not terrorists.
Hi, HulitC. I'd like to add to that recommendation. 'Omar' is one of the BEST and most EFFECTIVE movies about Palestine/Israel. Essential viewing, and newcomers can especially appreciate it as its done as a dark romance under occupation. The same director did 'Paradise Now' and 'Huda's Salon' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuvO65EPWFo
There are many excellent documentaries, but '5 Broken Cameras' will be understood by all parents except the most self-righteously bloodthirsty - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_93nOqwmhU
The first message I received after crossposting your article was: "Stop spreading the 'holocaust' shit you have fed by the Zionist Edomites. Go do your homework about the so-called 'gas chambers'. Wake up!!" Tsk, tsk. Reason alone to keep teaching the truth.
I did not realise we were spreading such shit. I thought the opposite.
Bias sees targets to hate, not understand.
https://youtu.be/n-4lRJkbLrU?si=g2K5MxFnYw-ZwmqA
Anti Zionism peddled by radical left ideologues are the new or old anti Semites - deny all you want -nice cover denial https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/antisemitism-has-always-been-a-shapeshifting-virus-douglas-murray/video/63a27ba316071c9c349709b44adc97dd
Yes mainly misleading and deceptive mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective conclusions ( not facts ) drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish state ) pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same.. you also full of selective inconsistencies and feeble points which even undercut against your own points at times…
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure despicable hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It is hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers clearly did not deploy nearly the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish sovereign state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel ( a Jewish majority sovereign state ) but you side step that. Or perhaps you don’t as that is your toxic goal too and you must be condemned.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
Goodbye so don’t bother replying again please.
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
Israel was founded in genocidal invasion, ethnic cleansing and slaughter in someone else’s country, Palestine.
The Palestinians called on their allies to help them just as the French and Poles did against German invaders. The only difference is the Palestinians and their allies lost. But the just cause was the same in all cases of resistance.
Jews had no right to take a slab of Palestine and the UN had no right to recommend they could. None of it was legal. Jews are a religion and no religion has a right to a grain of sand on planet earth.
The Palestinians had every right to want to drive the Zionists and Jewish invaders into the sea.All invaded and occupied people want that.
So, you are saying if the Germans had won then it would have been okay for them to keep Germany, Poland and any other country they took by force?
BULLSHIT the Arabs asked Palestinians to leave. They left because the Zionist policy was to murder and maim as many as they could and destroy their homes so they had to leave.
Judea and Samaria were ancient tribal groups which disappeared thousands of years ago. They exist only in religious fairy stories.
You may disagree with Ben Gurion but the statements are sourced and they are fact.
The first female PM of Israel was Ukrainian, a colonist. SHE WAS NOT FROM PALESTINE. Meir is born Goldie Mabovitch on May 3, 1898 in Kiev, Ukraine (then part of Russia).
You need to update your AI helper. Being a colonist does not require a country to be colonising. A colonist is someone who takes someone else’s country as their own.
By any definition of terrorism and the history of Israel it is a terrorist state. There is no Jewish nation. Jews are a religion and religions do not make a nation.
Most Jews do not live in what is called Israel for the moment, never did and never will.
Being Jewish is not an ethnicity. If it were then every religion would be an ethnicity and none are.
If Judaism had never been invented no Jew would exist. If all religions were banned tomorrow no Jew would exist. IT IS A RELIGION WHICH REQUIRES A belief in the god of the religion. There is no such thing as an atheist/secular Jew.
Thank you for admitting Israel is not the Western democracy it claims to be. You compare it to Islamic fundamentalist states like Saudi Arabia and I agree with you on that.
Sure Israel can decide who its citizens are and if it stipulated being Jewish, a religion, then it is not a democracy. There you go. We agree on that.
I do not support genocide and Israel is not committing genocide . It is Hamas that has attempted genocide innocent Israelis on Oct 7 and prior.. no I do not support anything inhumane but your assertions attributed to Hamas and Islamic jihadi and its racism - where are the Jews in Gaza after 2005 when ISREAL withdrew ? Where are the Jews in the 20 plus ethno - nationalist almost pure Arab states ? None so your hypocrisy and ignore face and double standard is telling. So those Arab states are not racist but Israel set up as Jewish majority state is ? Ok yeah righto. Get lost
Even the first Israeli Prime Minister, a terrorist from the start, admitted to genocide- the theft and eradication of Palestine.
"Let's not tell stories... Politically, we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... It is their country, because they live there, whereas we want to come here and colonize, and from their point of view, we want to take over their country."
David Ben Gurion speech in 1936
Quoted by Simha Flapan,
"Zionism and the Palestinians", 1979.
"If I were a Palestinian leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It's normal; we took their country. It is not that God has promised us this, but how could this concern them? Our God is not theirs. There was anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was it their fault? They only see one thing: we came and stole their country. Why should they accept this?"
David Ben Gurion speach in 1938.
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
Jew - religion.
Arab - culture, actually Arabic speakers.
Either talk about Jews, Muslims, Christians or Arabs and Anglo-speakers or Europeans which is the origin for most Israelis.
And dear me, people who compare Israel to non democratic Middle Eastern countries want their cake and to eat it all.
Since Israel claims to be a Western democracy, that is the bar it has set and that is the bar by which it is judged. Please name one other Western democracy, founded through colonisation, which does to the native people what Israel does to the Palestinians. There are none.
Please name one other Western democracy which decrees only followers of one religion can have nationality, that all others are subhuman and that only the supremacist religion can have power and must be a majority. There are none.
Israel is committing genocide. Israel was founded in genocide and plans for genocidal ethnic cleansing are clearly recorded in Zionist and Israeli histories.
Genocide is the policy of seeking to eradicate/exterminate a group, country, culture, nation and that is exactly what Zionist Israel has always had as policy.
Israel did not withdraw from Gaza in 2005. It turned it into a concentration camp. Israel as the military colonial ruler issues ID cards to every single Palestinian including those in the Gaza prison. I will post you an article written by Amira Hass in the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, correcting Israelis who present the same misinformation that you do.
Feb 12, 2024 5:37 pm IST
S., who lives in a Gaza border community, asked me several questions that I've heard from others, too. With his knowledge, I'm publishing an initial reply here to his letter. He wrote:
"I'm a regular reader of Haaretz and of your articles. As a resident of a Gaza border community, I'm trying to understand your take on what has happened in the Gaza Strip since the disengagement. Why, in your opinion, did the strongest resistance emerge from the place where Israel canceled the occupation?
The Israeli occupation was not canceled. Israel continued its highhanded control of the lives of the Gaza Strip's residents and Gaza's development options.
"For years, people have been shouting that all the major problems stem from the occupation. And here a small experiment to cancel the occupation was conducted. The Palestinians could have built themselves a model mini-state there. Instead, they preferred to invest the money in a war against Israel. Do you have an explanation for that?"
Shalom Reader S.,
First of all, the Israeli occupation was not canceled. Israel continued its highhanded control of the lives of the Gaza Strip's residents and Gaza's development options, well after Israel dismantled the settlements and army bases located there. Second, as per the Oslo Accords, to which Israel is a signatory, the Gaza Strip is not a separate entity but an integral part of the Palestinian territory occupied in 1967.
According to the Palestinians, and according to international opinion, this territory was supposed to become the Palestinian state. The facts that Israel severed the Gazan population from the West Bank's and that Israelis have continued to treat an isolated Gaza, which is 365 square kilometers in size and lacks resources, as a separate entity, are in themselves evidence of Israeli control over it – and of Israeli chutzpah to boot.
I can't quote what I've written in hundreds and perhaps thousands of articles. So I'll be brief: Prime Minister Ariel Sharon neither consulted with the leadership of the Palestinian Authority about the disengagement, nor did he coordinate its implementation with that limited self-rule government, which in 2005 was not split yet between Fatah and Hamas. Sharon followed a gradual track that Israel outlined from the early 1990s, while doing a good job of concealing its severity and significance during the Oslo process: creating a regime of prohibitions and restrictions on the Palestinians' freedom of movement, while creating Palestinian enclaves. On January 15, 1991 Israel began this comprehensive policy, and its immediate result, which worsened over the years, was cutting off the population of Gaza from the West Bank and from the world.
Israel Should Disengage - Again - From Gaza
Sharon continued his predecessors' work. The draconian siege imposed by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Gaza in 2007 was a quantitative change, but not a change in essence. This consistent policy indicates the forethought behind the action: not an experiment to cancel the occupation, but one of the ways to prevent the establishment of the Palestinian state based on the plan that the Palestine Liberation Organization and the international community saw before their eyes.
The continued Israeli domination over the Gaza Strip, up until October 7, was manifested in several ways. The first is its total control of the Palestinian population registry, which includes Gaza's residents. It is Israel that decides who is permitted to carry the ID card of a resident of Gaza or the West Bank. Every detail – including place of residence – registered in the ID card, which the PA technically issues, requires Israeli approval. Even natives of Gaza, whose residency status Israel revoked before 1994, cannot renew it without Israel's approval.
The severance from the West Bank (and from Israel) critically damaged the capabilities for economic development in the Gaza Strip. In any case, Gaza has been in a state of economic deterioration or stagnation since 1967 due to deliberate steps that Israel adopted. Israel controls not only the border crossings but also Gaza's aerial and maritime space, which means it doesn't permit Gazans to exercise their right to freedom of movement via the sea and air.
Israel also uses this control to restrict the Palestinian fishing industry, prevent Palestinians from using the gas reserves discovered in Gazan waters and control the wireless frequencies necessary for technological development. By controlling imports and exports, it restricts the ability and feasibility of domestic production. Israel continues to control income from customs payments. Egypt – whether for fear that the Gazans will settle there, political opposition to severing Gaza from the West Bank or obedience to Israeli dictates – hasn't opened the Rafah border to free movement of Palestinians and foreigners.
Whether deliberately or inadvertently, Sharon's unilateral move weakened the PA, which adhered to the negotiations route. Thus, he awarded a prize to the Hamas movement, which claimed that only the "armed struggle" that it practiced during the Second Intifada, while improving its military capabilities – could force the Israeli army to withdraw, not negotiations and a signed agreement.
That's what many Palestinians thought and still think. It's no wonder that several months after the disengagement, in January 2006, Hamas won a majority of the seats in the election for the Palestinian parliament (but not a majority of the votes of the electorate).
First we have to answer the question as to why Israel did everything possible to thwart the establishment of the small Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Then we can move on to trying to explain why the residents of the besieged and cut-off "mini-state" that it shaped in Gaza felt like lifetime prisoners, at a time when their brothers in the West Bank live under the violent rule of the expanding settlement enterprise. And afterwards, at the first opportunity, we'll talk about the illusion or about the delusion or about the armed struggle project.
Roslyn Ross please get educated on facts - not hyperbole one sided narrative and even blood libels
By any definition of blood libel, nothing I have said fits that charge.
blood libel
noun
an accusation that Jewish people used the blood of Christians in religious rituals, especially in the preparation of Passover bread, that was perpetrated throughout the Middle Ages and (sporadically) until the early 20th century.
I have presented facts. You have to refute them to be credible.
James, you are actually the one that needs such advice, not Roslyn Ross.
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
Israel was founded in genocidal invasion, ethnic cleansing and slaughter in someone else’s country, Palestine.
The Palestinians called on their allies to help them just as the French and Poles did against German invaders. The only difference is the Palestinians and their allies lost. But the just cause was the same in all cases of resistance.
Jews had no right to take a slab of Palestine and the UN had no right to recommend they could. None of it was legal. Jews are a religion and no religion has a right to a grain of sand on planet earth.
The Palestinians had every right to want to drive the Zionists and Jewish invaders into the sea.All invaded and occupied people want that.
So, you are saying if the Germans had won then it would have been okay for them to keep Germany, Poland and any other country they took by force?
BULLSHIT the Arabs asked Palestinians to leave. They left because the Zionist policy was to murder and maim as many as they could and destroy their homes so they had to leave.
Judea and Samaria were ancient tribal groups which disappeared thousands of years ago. They exist only in religious fairy stories.
You may disagree with Ben Gurion but the statements are sourced and they are fact.
The first female PM of Israel was Ukrainian, a colonist. SHE WAS NOT FROM PALESTINE. Meir is born Goldie Mabovitch on May 3, 1898 in Kiev, Ukraine (then part of Russia).
You need to update your AI helper. Being a colonist does not require a country to be colonising. A colonist is someone who takes someone else’s country as their own.
By any definition of terrorism and the history of Israel it is a terrorist state. There is no Jewish nation. Jews are a religion and religions do not make a nation.
Most Jews do not live in what is called Israel for the moment, never did and never will.
Being Jewish is not an ethnicity. If it were then every religion would be an ethnicity and none are.
If Judaism had never been invented no Jew would exist. If all religions were banned tomorrow no Jew would exist. IT IS A RELIGION WHICH REQUIRES A belief in the god of the religion. There is no such thing as an atheist/secular Jew.
Thank you for admitting Israel is not the Western democracy it claims to be. You compare it to Islamic fundamentalist states like Saudi Arabia and I agree with you on that.
Sure Israel can decide who its citizens are and if it stipulated being jewish, a religion, then it is not a democracy. There you go. We agree on that. ..
On the contrary. I know almost all the facts. I don’t follow a one sided narrative that does not contain all the facts. Fact Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed. Palestine never existed as a country nation state for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one. Fact is israel exists as a nation state so deal with it and accept or move away you are wasting your time with dire tribe otherwise seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
You said: Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed.
FACT. Israel is a terrorist state and there are more Jewish terrorists than Islamic. People of sanity and conscience agree they must be removed.
FACT: Israel calls Hamas a terrorist group but most countries in the world and the UN do not agree. The Germans also said the French Resistance were terrorists. That is what brutal occupiers do.
You said: Palestine never existed as a country nation state
Most countries in the world did not exist as nation states until the late 19th century when the concept took hold. It is irrelevant. Palestine has been occupied for a thousand years so it was not going to be a nation state in the 19th century. However, it will be in the 21st century.
You said: for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one.
FACT: Palestine and Palestinians were mentioned numerous times by the Egyptians more than 5000 years ago. It has been a country for longer than most others. Israel was invented in 1947. Israel is a brutal colonial entity in Palestine. Remember, 76 years is nothing compared to the fact that the Portugese were sent packing after more than 500 years in Angola. Israel is nothing but a half blink in time compared to that.
You said: israel exists as a nation state so deal with it
FACT: Since Israel has no declared borders and indeed there is no Israeli nationality, logically Israel does not even exist. And Nazi Germany was a nation state which was dismantled for its atrocities. The same will happen with Zionist Israel for the same reasons. Nothing about being a nation state protects anyone.
You said: seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
Israel has destroyed itself. It was founded on racism, hatred, arrogance, elitism and colonial supremacy. But most people of intelligence and conscience do seek the destruction of fascist, terrorist states. Why would they not? Israel is a travesty in the world. It is a depraved, sadistic, bestial and savage culture, society and State which has inflicted the longest holocaust in modern history and one of the most genocidal and cruel military colonial occupations in all of history on Palestine.
The courage, nobility of spirit and integrity of the Palestinians against such evil stands as a testament to humanity.
@James Jenkins,
I would ask you the following questions:
1. do you support occupation?
2. do you support colonisation?
3. do you support genocide?
4. do you support ethnic cleansing?
5. do you support torture and rape?
6. do you support imprisonment, including of children, without charge or trial?
7. do you support denial of human and civil rights?
8. do you support a belief that non-Jews, are subhuman?
9. do you support collective punishment?
10. do you support targeting civilians?
11. do you support might is right?
12. do you support racism?
To support Israel, as you appear to do, you must say YES to every question? I await your response.
Listen, James, you can barely write coherently, let alone factually.
As so many who have nothing other than opinionated self-regard, populist myth and prejudiced disinformation, when faced with evidence you choose to ignore it and simply repeat a nonsensical rant.
I suggest that before you continue your appallingly bigoted and abusive false dialogue, that you at least learn to write coherent English or, if you are not a native English speaker, that you write coherently in your own native language so that readers can translate it and read something that makes sense.
If you cannot or will not do that, I suggest you go and join the MAGA populists who revel in lies, misinformation, disinformation, myth, exaggeration and outrageously preposterous and vile allegations.
There is no relevant: "On the contrary" in what you say and certainly your diatribe, (excuse me for spelling it correctly), shows not one shred of evidence or accuracy. It is as spurious and just as defamatory as Trump's claim that a particular group in Springfield are eating the pets of other residents.
Now, before I really lose my patience, I suggest you go away and stay away unless and until you learn about and understand the reality of what you chooses to write about.
So the Holocaust of 6 m Jews murdered is all lies
Oh my goodness
We are not talking about something which involved European Jews nearly a century ago.
We are talking about what Jews, Zionists, Israelis are doing today. The genocide today against 6 million Palestinians, nearly half of them children and the threatened genocide against another 2 million living in what is called Israel is what matters. Not what some Jews suffered long ago.
The world has grown tired of the hypocrisy of people waving the tattered flag of Jewish holocaust experiences nearly a century ago, when they are doing the same, if not worse to Palestinians today.
There are no holocaust deniers on this page, but there is one denier of Israeli genocide against Palestinians. James Jenkins, care to prove your identity is real?
Ha ha ha more blood libels and false one sided narratives - go stay in your pro Hamas talking points echo chamber
I love trolls. They're cuddly, The only problem is that they're so desperate for attention.
Read my earlier comment about trolls. Those radical lefties nut jobs that live in a cosy echo chamber and as soon they get challenged with the demonstrably false flawed be it the one sided Pro Arafat pro Hamas narrative they peddle over and over again they starting more false assumptions and false accusations like trolls. Using free speech doesn’t occur to them living in their deluded echo chamber peddling pointless nonsense let alone vicious hypocritical Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish (state ) for Jewish people so yes the most vicious worse form of anti semitism which has to come to mean prejudice to Jewish people as a whole) yes the majority of world Jews are rightly and proud Zionists..
All that is spread here is also blood libels too
Then you have not been listening or reading and blatantly believe the false narratives being peddle here. You continue to parrot the same false assumptions. Debate cannot be actually had when the author here states with a deluded authority that israel does not even exist….. hello ? How you debate that ? How can you even debate this actual bullshit nonsense you can’t so you are correcf in part in so far as using the word debate. You cannot debate here but I like debates. I debate and accept fair points but not ludicrously being peddled as fact and all one sided.. I don’t care what you think and what you peddle but expect to be challenged by anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Fringe views and flawed a historical narratives will never condenses - bagging a one sided narrative will be shown for what it is.. good luck with that
I follow and accept objective thought and accept cogent logical thought like people like Douglas Murray - I don’t think you will ever gets his reach etc.
If you truly care about so called Arab Palestinians who are Arabs in the Levant then you would be arguing for them to eliminate the likes of Hamas and Islamic jihadi and condemn the Iranian regime and accept Israel as Jewish state for steps towards genuine peace rather than support lopsided one sided arguments just demonising Israel’s actual right to exist over and over again as these pages do that won’t go anywhere but I don’t you make a difference anyway apart from listeners that follow this one sided narrative that achieves nothing but the opposite effect.. ( not true peace that’s for sure ).
I would put my low profile money made in my private business ( unknown to anyone on here where to actual that can make a difference rather than try and get followers here for money or donate to anyone here that peddles clear false narratives claims they are journalists on here when they are not. I do follow and donate to some persons on here who are clearly respected and deal with facts and intelligent thought rather than joker journalists who simply promote an anti Zionist anti Israel agenda thread as activists - just demonstrable. Those people deserve to be called out or can they try and debate honestly but they fail with comments like Israel does not even exist when it does - Cleary false.. learn to stop making false assumptions and calling others trolls you think it does you favours it doesn’t
Believe it or not I care about peaceful Palestinians that genuinely want peace. But in my experience many people can’t get through to Islamic jihadis they are usually a lost cause unless they can be turned around. We can hope…
Anyone radical lefty that is challenged usually blocks or calls out as hominem like troll lol eventually because they cannot handle being challenged when they absurdly peddle misleading narratives as fact - it is extremely deceptive
Read my earlier comment about trolls. Those radical lefties nut jobs that live in a cosy echo chamber and as soon they get challenged with the demonstrably false flawed be it the one sided Pro Arafat pro Hamas narrative they peddle over and over again they starting more false assumptions and false accusations like trolls. Using free speech doesn’t occur to them living in their deluded echo chamber peddling pointless nonsense let alone vicious hypocritical Anti Zionist ( Anti Jewish (state ) for Jewish people so yes the most vicious worse form of anti semitism which has to come to mean prejudice to Jewish people as a whole) yes the majority of world Jews are rightly and proud Zionists..
All that is spread here is also blood libels too
Debate is not your purpose, and thus trollish misnomer. Pointing out that a baby is a baby, or a frog a frog, is matter of fact. Similarly, I'm judging you by the combination of your squealing (all comments, not one) and obvious ill intent. I won't indulge your goal, nor respond here again, but you encourage me to stand up for Palestine. I will counter your effort by writing an article which will reach more people than your comments will. Thus, I must thank you for your contribution.
Well said. James Jenkins and the others like him provide invaluable opportunities to correct misinformation, disinformation and plain old fashioned downright lies and do those of us promoting and disseminating facts and truth a favour.
Then you have not been listening or reading and blatantly believe the false narratives being peddle here. You continue to parrot the same false assumptions. Debate cannot be actually had when the author here states with a deluded authority that israel does not even exist….. hello ? How you debate that ? How can you even debate this actual bullshit nonsense you can’t so you are correcf in part in so far as using the word debate. You cannot debate here but I like debates. I debate and accept fair points but not ludicrously being peddled as fact and all one sided.. I don’t care what you think and what you peddle but expect to be challenged by anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Fringe views and flawed a historical narratives will never condenses - bagging a one sided narrative will be shown for what it is.. good luck with that
I follow and accept objective thought and accept cogent logical thought like people like Douglas Murray - I don’t think you will ever gets his reach etc.
If you truly care about so called Arab Palestinians who are Arabs in the Levant then you would be arguing for them to eliminate the likes of Hamas and Islamic jihadi and condemn the Iranian regime and accept Israel as Jewish state for steps towards genuine peace rather than support lopsided one sided arguments just demonising Israel’s actual right to exist over and over again as these pages do that won’t go anywhere but I don’t you make a difference anyway apart from listeners that follow this one sided narrative that achieves nothing but the opposite effect.. ( not true peace that’s for sure ).
I would put my low profile money made in my private business ( unknown to anyone on here where to actual that can make a difference rather than try and get followers here for money or donate to anyone here that peddles clear false narratives claims they are journalists on here when they are not. I do follow and donate to some persons on here who are clearly respected and deal with facts and intelligent thought rather than joker journalists who simply promote an anti Zionist anti Israel agenda thread as activists - just demonstrable. Those people deserve to be called out or can they try and debate honestly but they fail with comments like Israel does not even exist when it does - Cleary false.. learn to stop making false assumptions and calling others trolls you think it does you favours it doesn’t
Believe it or not I care about peaceful Palestinians that genuinely want peace. But in my experience many people can’t get through to Islamic jihadis they are usually a lost cause unless they can be turned around. We can hope…
Yes you do - GET EDUCATED ON ALL SIDES
Educated debate is important, but James, you're not debating, and are thus a troll. I would never have allowed such repetition on my page, so salutes to Roslyn's angel-like patience.
So according to radical left pro Hamas apologists a troll is someone who disagrees with one sided narrative peddled on this page
Righto
Oh so sorry Jews were firing rockets into Nazis from their Jewish civilian areas ( like Hamas is ) to cause the Nazi German Holocaust that’s hitlers defence thats right. I Must be absurdly stupid like Marxist radical arab / and islamic Terrorism rot yes along with Hitler yes
Jews would have fired rockets if they had them. As an American writer, also Jewish, said after October 7, if Jews had broken out of the Warsaw Ghetto and found Germans dancing around at a music festival they would have attacked them as well.
The Palestinian Resistance/Hamas targeted military personnel which is legitimate. They had no idea the music festival was on.
Civilians, young men around the age of 20, broke out after them and they targeted civilians. They were not a part of the Palestinian Resistance. There was a video after October 7 of an Israeli soldier stating civilians attacked Israeli civilians.
Since those young men, all of their lives, from the time they were toddlers had been subjected to the worst kinds of mental and physical torture by the Israelis - sonic booms, bombing, bullets - and had seen their family friends, homes, society, torn apart in a bloody mess, not once, but many times by the savages who ruled them, one presumes some would have been less than mentally well.
Blame Israel for that. Torture children from the time they are born and they are not going to like you, they will want to hurt you as you hurt them.
You points are feeble and outrageous..
Only radical left nut jobs and the Iranian regime calls Hamas . Houthis and Hezbollah resistance as you do. No they are not resistance and it’s not legitimate. They are Islamic terrorists
What Hamas did on Oct 7 burning burning and butchering and killing innocent civilians at a rave and in the kibitz was a barbaric pogrom mass murder pogrom including violent rapes / murder against girls & others was horrendous which they admitted to. But only the likes of you would twist this too
Yes only radical left nut jobs and Iran regime itself would like and say what Hamas did on Oct 7 aas legitimate and that that are resistance
They slaughtered intentionally innocent civilians in rave parties and in the kibbutz and there were many girls who got sadistically raped then slaughtered..
I blame Hamas 100 %
You are lying and must be deluded or smoking something… Check objective real facts. Get educated. The Hamas and Palestinians that entered Oct 7 had maps of the Jewish homes in the kibbutz to literally target and kill - the same ones that had given them work ( work permits ) to work in Israel
Oh please you are literally radical mad
Despicable
Of course the Nazis / Hitler should have been destroyed just like Hamas must be destroyed they are two sides of the same coin both want to kill Jews and both wanted to prevent a Jewish state with the mufti and Hitler. If the IDF existed in the Holocaust days then the Holocaust would NOT have happened or many millions of Jews could have been. Fortunately IDF will not let Hamas / Islamic jihad finish the rest of the Jewish people in Israel off.
Trolls from South Africa Not solving South Africa accusing others of being trolls
All that friction from masturbating on antiwar pages must mean you're a Zippy Zion oil salesman. You know, so you don't get a rash.
Now I know you are an Israeli, James Jenkins. Anything the Israelis say others are doing, is what the Israelis are doing.
The evidence stands since Israel was invented. Rape, torture, theft, murder, sadistic savagery, lies, propaganda, hatred, vicious cruelty, human shields, targeting civilians, collective punishment, hiding behind civilians - I could go on it is such a long list -WERE AND ARE ALL DONE BY THE ZIORAELIS. We have documented evidence for all those crimes dating back to the 1920's when Jewish terrorist gangs began their bloody rampages around Palestine.
Oh please you are literally radical mad
Despicable
Of course the Nazis / Hitler should have been destroyed just like Hamas must be destroyed they are two sides of the same coin both want to kill Jews and both wanted to prevent a Jewish state with the mufti and Hitler. If the IDF existed in the Holocaust days then the Holocaust would NOT have happened or many millions of Jews could have been SAVED Fortunately IDF will not let Hamas / Islamic jihad finish the rest of the Jewish people in Israel off. We won't let that happen fortunately..
Gosh, you’re still trolling my comment about Hiam Abbas appearing in ‘The Lemon Tree’ movie. You must be full of lemons. Just add salt, pepper and a fake name, and you’ll be taken seriously. Well, maybe not.
I’m not commenting about your lemons sir
So just suck on them and enjoy
I really think you should help to fix bankrupt broken South Africa first perhaps… good luck with that
South Africa is not inflicting a savage, bestial, sadistic and genocidal military colonial occupation on anyone. Israel is and Israel claims to be a Western democracy and is judged by the bar it has set itself.
Your key words ‘ colonial , bestial , genocide ‘ you say it as if is fact. You misleading lies and one sided narrative and that is the fact.
South Africa ls bankrupt and is constant violence and murders between blacks and whites and then some..your point is feeble and you conflate… so they should just worry about their own broken state. If Muslim terrorists existed there they would be eliminated
Then you have not been listening or reading and blatantly believe the false narratives being peddle here. You continue to parrot the same false assumptions. Debate cannot be actually had when the author here states with a deluded authority that israel does not even exist….. hello ? How you debate that ? How can you even debate this actual bullshit nonsense you can’t so you are correcf in part in so far as using the word debate. You cannot debate here but I like debates. I debate and accept fair points but not ludicrously being peddled as fact and all one sided.. I don’t care what you think and what you peddle but expect to be challenged by anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Fringe views and flawed a historical narratives will never condenses - bagging a one sided narrative will be shown for what it is.. good luck with that
I follow and accept objective thought and accept cogent logical thought like people like Douglas Murray - I don’t think you will ever gets his reach etc.
If you truly care about so called Arab Palestinians who are Arabs in the Levant then you would be arguing for them to eliminate the likes of Hamas and Islamic jihadi and condemn the Iranian regime and accept Israel as Jewish state for steps towards genuine peace rather than support lopsided one sided arguments just demonising Israel’s actual right to exist over and over again as these pages do that won’t go anywhere but I don’t you make a difference anyway apart from listeners that follow this one sided narrative that achieves nothing but the opposite effect.. ( not true peace that’s for sure ).
I would put my low profile money made in my private business ( unknown to anyone on here where to actual that can make a difference rather than try and get followers here for money or donate to anyone here that peddles clear false narratives claims they are journalists on here when they are not. I do follow and donate to some persons on here who are clearly respected and deal with facts and intelligent thought rather than joker journalists who simply promote an anti Zionist anti Israel agenda thread as activists - just demonstrable. Those people deserve to be called out or can they try and debate honestly but they fail with comments like Israel does not even exist when it does - Cleary false.. learn to stop making false assumptions and calling others trolls you think it does you favours it doesn’t
Believe it or not I care about peaceful Palestinians that genuinely want peace. But in my experience many people can’t get through to Islamic jihadis they are usually a lost cause unless they can be turned around. We can hope…
Think about it carefully. A state which has no nationality called Israeli and no declared borders, logically does not really exist.
It is an interesting symbolism that the Israel of religious writing never truly existed either, beyond a primitive tribal group in Palestine and today, the State which calls itself Israel has no citizens called Israelis and no borders. Ergo, Israel does not really exist.
If the only nationality for the Zionist State is Jew, then it should change its name to Jewdistan.
It’s a Jewish majority state . Israel is the name ( Jordan an Arab state is NOT called Arabstein you kook or Bahrain Arab state is not called arabstein ) . There are 2 million Arabs living in Israel proper - so that cannot be racist as you put it if multiple Arab states like Jordan 95 % Arab but with no Jews living there. Infact where did all Jews go in middle eastern Islamic / or Arab states
1947 UN partition was about a Jewish state and Arab state -
There are over ten Arab states - which one is called Arabstein ? None lol you are a DISTORTER so your point is feeble flawed inaccurate again.
Israel a Jewish state ( Jewish majority 80 % Jewish )
Jordan an Arab state ( mainly 92 % + Arab ) is that called Arabstein ? Lol
You make points against yourself
Palestine does not exist as a state has no clear borders so get your facts right. They rejected the offer in 2000 and 2008 which stated a future Palestine borders must be negotiated. Israel has already its borders clear in Israel proper and is a nation state - a Jewish state - now breathe and accept that fact or peddle your BS which you are free to do. You anti Zionist rants and one sided misleading toxic narrative…
The disputed territory outside Israel proper that has autonomous rule in area a and b of Judas and Samaria is governed by Fatah party / PA..
Gaza was ruled by Hamas after 2005 when Israel withdrew
Techinical it is those territories that belonged to Jordan and Egypt and previously others
It is technically israel land under utti POSSIDETIS Juris but Israel let them rule it to the extend their security is not compromised. They should have kept it.
You are wrong and deceptive and trying to convince yourself as you make things up with your stupid anti Jewish state ideology The nationality is a keen Jewish majority state and it has defined borders with Israel proper. Israel is a Jewish majority nation state- that is the nationality - it also has 2 M Arabs including some Druze etc. Again imo you are clearly being deceptive justifying every one sided narrative Anti Zionist narrative and fortunately you are wasting your time but if it makes you feel good peddling this fraud then keep going
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
The entire premise for the foundation of Israel was psychotic and deranged from the start.
The theory was that Jews had suffered persecution and therefore needed a State of their own.
Well, plenty of religions and groups have been persecuted but did not demand their own state. Such a demand indicates two things about the Zionists and Jews, huge egos and high levels of paranoia.
To demand their own country for followers of their religion says the following:
1. Jews are incapable of living in societies with non-Jews. (We know that to be patently untrue.)
2. Jews are always at risk in States where they are not a majority and in control. (We know that to be patently untrue and in fact the so-called Israeli State is the most dangerous place any Jew could live)
3. Jews must never assimilate. (We know that is untrue because for thousands of years the most successful Jews were those who assimilated.)
4. Jews are superior as humans and cannot be ruled by inferior humans. (We know that to be untrue because most are and in a democracy it makes no difference how minor your religion is.)
5. A Jewish state must be so feared by everyone else they will not challenge it. (Well, clearly that one did not work and as a psychological exercise and as any study of human history shows, such an approach never works and creates more enemies and ultimate destruction. When you seek to terrorise others they just hate you more and find out ways to defeat you.)
6. Jews are only safe behind a wall of violence and power. (Well that did not work either in the prison state called Israel for 76 years. In fact it had the opposite effect.)
7. Jews are always hated by non-Jews. ( History does not support that paranoid belief. Yes Jews in some places at some times have been persecuted but so have many religions and some did not survive. And at this point in history it is Muslims who are persecuted.)
The beliefs behind Zionism and the creation of the Israeli state represent high levels of paranoia, mental illness, fear and hatred. Zionist Israel could never last brewing in such a soup of fear, hatred, violence and paranoia.
As an example, if we took a group of soldiers experiencing PTSD and put them all in one place set up with the same belief systems as the Zionists applied to Israel, how well is that likely to work?
Roslyn, thanks for exposing these lies.
I wonder why people continue to read news sources that spread them when they've been revealed as lies.
With so much information, and so little time, you'd think people would ditch such blatant and destructive propaganda as soon as it's been exposed as such.
I think it is also important to understand even if those beliefs were not lies that nothing can ever justify the sadistic and savage bestiality of the Zionists, Israelis and Jews toward the Palestinians.
The cruelty by them over a century ranks as some of the most evil in history and there are no reasons or excuses which could ever wipe that terrible slate clean.
It does not matter what happened or may have happened to some Jews, even many Jews, in past centuries, nor what their religion teaches them - they have no right to treat the Palestinians as the subhumans, indeed to even deem others to be subhuman, they believe they are, and to steal their country with a level of cruelty which the world should never have allowed.
What astonishes me is that anyone of sound mind and conscience could read and see the atrocities the Israelis commit and think they could ever be justified. It would not matter if Hamas were all the Israelis say they are, the level of terrorism and savagery the Israelis have inflicted on the Palestinians for generations, should never, can never be tolerated in a civilized world.
As Gabor Mate said, you could multiply anything Hamas has done by a thousand times and it would still not come close to the atrocities committed by Zionist Israel.
So many Jewish people are horrified that this is being committed in their name.
More Zionists are evangelical Christian than Jewish.
Whoever they are, they have to stop supporting this genocide.
My question to the horrified Jews is why have you not been horrified for all of Israel's existence? None of this genocidal slaughter is new. There is just more of it. The genocide, ethnic cleansing, murder, torture, rape, including of children, theft, dispossession has been going on since 1947.
The sadistic and bestial nature of the Zionist Israeli State has been documented by Israeli and international human rights groups for decades. Why were they not horrified then?
It cannot be denied that Israel was created and has been maintained by Jewish money and support. Yes, there have always been some Jews who condemned the reality of the State and its atrocities but they have been very few. Most Jews have thought it was a great idea and done their pilgrimage to what is called Israel every year. And sent their children on tours.
The Jewish people I know and follow on social media were indoctrinated from a very early age, and are now deprogramming. Certainly not all, but the Jewish people I know and follow.
That is good news. I have Jewish friends who still maintain the denial and others who were horrified 30 years ago and rejected the Zionist State.
Without the support of Judaism and Jews Israel cannot do what it does and that is why it is Jews who must take a major responsibility for the horror they have helped to create.
Lots of Jewish people are, Roslyn.
No mention about Islamic jihadi and Palestinian terrorism and Passover massacres and your audacity to say that a Jewish state has no right to exist in the land that you say only belongs to who ? Arab Hamas ? Arab Arafat ? Or the mufti of Jerusalem who conspired and anticipated a Hitler win to prevent a Jewish state:. Your one sided ignorance is astounding.. the Arabs in the region wanted to initially be part of Greater Syria - there was no great push from the 1920s onwards to even have a Arab state called Palestine ( let alone the fact that a Palestine state never existed ) . Being Jewish is not just adhering to Judaism it is also independently and uniquely an ethnicity similar to being an Arab ( yet being culturally or ethnically Jewish is not monolithic ) . Yet you have the temerity to dictate to Jewish people that are the NOT Jewish based on if they are not religious ( strictly with Judaism ) - the flip side irony being is that IF israel was a Jewish theocracy state ( rather than secular Jewish state ) you would be attacking that too regardless - and if it does become a theocratic Jewish state then it still has a right to exist just any other Arab state / or Islamic state exists as a theocracy ( Saudia arabia ) or simply an Arab state they are all fricken brutal with little civil liberties ( unlike Israel who has some basic civil liberties where 2 M Arab still live in Israel proper ). Jordan is almost 96 % ethnically Arab ( mixed Arab tribes ) so that must be apartheid because they have no Jews and ethnically cleansed them after 1949 from Judea Samaria - funny that - including when Jews were asked to leave from Middle East arab states and went to Israel the Jewish state.. ( thankfully ) the other fact is the MAJORITY of Jewish people are Zionists ( only a small minority of religious Jews 150,000 are technically anti Zionists for religious reasons from the majority of 7 million plus Jews who live in Israel are overwhelmingly rightly Zionists . The other radical left Marxist type hypocritical who say as a Jew are ANTI Zionists tend to be anti western and anti American too and are irrelevant as the majority of Jews in Israel ( 7 million of them are rightly Zionists ) including the world Jewry the majority of world Jewry are Zionists. Israel exists so get over it and all Islamic jihadi terrorists who want it destroyed and attack Israel must be removed . Only the peaceful Arabs who want peace with Israel as a Jewish sovereign state should naturally be allowed to stay and its Israel ( 80 % ethnic Jewish state - not monolithic ) who decides who its citizens will be or its residents will be ( just like Arab Jordan or Arab Saudia Arabia or Italy ( 90 % ethnic italian country ) decides who it’s citizens will be etc
I take comfort, for the first time, that there are now more aware of the truth. It's heartening when substacker writers admit, "I was blind, but now I see." If only so much death wasn't the cure for blindness.
...and if only it could be stopped.
If only!
ROSLYN ROSS HAS STATED SHE WILL COMMIT TERRORISM JIHADI CRIMINAL BESTIAL VILE MURDEROUS ACTS AGAINST THE JEWISH NATION FOR ARAB ISLAMIST TERRORIST HAMAS IN GAZA THAT SHE CALLS RESISTANCE. SHE IS DERANGED AND DISTURBED..
Most of Israeli citizens today are Mizrahi Jewish citizens today ( ie from middle east ) Jordan has no Jewish citizens funny that .
WE STAND WITH ISRAEL
GOD BLESS ISRALI HOSTAGES TAKEN BY ANIMALS HAMAS.
Arafat was born in Egypt ( not a Palestine ) to those morons trying to undermine Israel always..
AND THATS RIGHT ARAB ARAFAT WAS BORN IN ARAB STATE OF EGYPT LOL. WHEN HE DECIDED TO LAUNCH THE SHAM PROPAGANDA PALESTINIAN IDENTITY MOVEMENT IN 1964 WITH SOLE AIM IN DESTROYING THE JEWISH STATE NOT BUILDING AN ADDITIONAL ARAB STATE OF THEIR OWN- THIS IS FACT AS IT COMES FROM HIS OWN MOUTH…
FACT -FUNNY HOW THERE WAS NEVER WAS A NATION COUNTRY CALLED PALESTINE LET ALONE ONE SOVEREIGN EXCLUSIVELY OWNED BY ARAB MUSLIMS …. EVER … ITS ALL A SHAM PROPAGANDA ALL DESIGNED TO DESTROY THE JEWISH NATION
THE FACT THAT THE 22 ARAB STATES MIGHT BE NOT PURE ARAB ( THEY ARE NON MONOLITHIC ETHNO ARABS OR ARAB NATION PEOPLE ) ETHNICS IS NOT THE POINT AS 22 ARAB MAJORITY AND MUSLIM MAJORITY NATION STATES EXIST AS THEY HAVE BEEN ARABISED AS ARAB NATION STATES IN FACT -IS THE FACT AND HYPOCRITICAL POINT - OR ETHNO ARAB NATION STATES IN FACT IS THE POINT. AND THUS YOU ARE ARGUING AGAINST YOURSELF BY SAYING ONLY ISRAEL IS THE ETHNO JEWISH STATE ( THAT ETHNIC CLEANSED- WHEN JORDAN ITSELF REMOVED ETHNICALLY CLEANSED JEWS FROM JUDEA / SAMARIA AFTER 48 WAR WHEN THEY ANNEXED JUDEA / AKA WB ) WHEN SIMILARLY BEING A JEWISH NATION OR BEING JEWISH IS A DIVERSE NON MONOLITHIC ETHNICITY FROM MIZRAHI JEWS TO SEPHARDIC JEWISH PEOPLE ETC .., HOW MANY JEWS IN ARAB MUSLIM MAJORITY STATES ? VERY LITTLE AS THEY WERE ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ALSO ….. JORDAN IS 97 % ARAB MUSLIM MAJORITY STATE AND FORBIDS JEWS AS CITIZENS FUNNY THAT… YET ISRAEL IS A JEWISH MAJORITY STATE AND HAS 2 MILLION ARAB ( MAINLY MUSLIM TOO) ISRAELI CITIZENS YOU MORON..ARE YOU GETTING IT HYPOCRISY MORON ?? I THINK JORDAN OR EGYPT OR QATAR ETC THE ARAB STATES SHOULD GRANT FULL EQUAL RIGHTS TO REMAINING ARAB PALESTINIANS THAT ALL THE RIGHTS AND LIABILITIES THAT LIVING UNDER ARAB MUSLIM SOVEREIGN RULED COUNTRIES ENTAIL… ( EG UN 48 PARTITION OFFER WAS AN ARAB NATION STATE ( NOT PALESTINE STATE ) AND JEWISH NATION STATE .. ( IN EUROPE WE HAVE NUMEROUS ETHNO NATION majority STATES eg Croatia , Finland , Greece , Italy etc . And further equally we have religious majority states - over 10 Christian majority states .. over 20 Muslim majority states and 3 Hindu states and multiple Buddhist majority states and one Jewish majority state only .. bring Jewish is beyond just a religious though it is a NON non monolithic diverse ethnicity as I said above..YET THE ANTI ISRAEL ANTI ZIONIST RADICAL LEFT TYPES ( and far right ) ANTI SEMITES AND ISLAMISTS ARE DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE LIARS
AM YISRAEL CHAI ISRAEL 🇮🇱
Great work Roslyn.
Indeed.
Roslyn, great historical analysis of the genocidal formation and evolution of the nazisraeli state, and the factual basis for the religious vs. racial realities of popular designations currently being used to describe the people of the region and globally. On point in every respect.
Thank you! It took me a minute to understand #5. Even in my 20's, I dated someone who said he was Jewish but not a practicing Jew. Now I know that he was not Jewish at all then! He was from somewhere in Europe. I've read that Hebrew wasn't used as a modern language until the settling of "Israel" and them trying to establish a national identity.
Hebrew was a dead language for more than 2000 years which is most of the time Judaism has existed, its creation/invention happening around 3000 years ago.
It was re-invented, although one could argue, invented in the late 19th century by a Russian, Eliezer Ben-Yehuda. There were many new words needed because times had changed in more than 2000 years and as Arabic was also a Semitic language, with the same roots, many Arabic words were used. Ben-Yehuda used grammatical systems from religious/ancient Hebrew to put the language together.
It is perhaps a sad irony that the Hebrew spoken in Zionist Israel, by a people who hate Arabs and consider them to be subhuman, is as much Arabic as it is Hebrew. The Zionists were pretty much atheists but they needed Jewish money and support for their plans to set up a State to dominate the Middle East. That is why it had to be in Palestine, it had to be called Israel and the language had to be Jewish.
The most common language for most Jews in the 19th century was Yiddish, basically German with a Jewish accent as it has been described. Today the most common language for Jews is English, followed by Hebrew and then Russian. Jews do not have a common language.
Ancient Hebrew survived as Latin survives, through prayers learned by rote. But there was enough Hebrew in the modern invention called Hebrew for Jews to claim it as their own.
It is an interesting irony that just as Israel was invented in 1947/48, so too was the language of the State which, according to orthodox Jews and real Judaism, should never have been created. There was no ancient State of Israel. There were no States until the 19th century, a concept only mooted in the 18th century. There was a tribal kingdom called Israel and one called Judah which wandered into Palestine from what is now Iraq, about 3000 years ago and set up camps among a number of other tribal kingdoms which were not Jewish.
All that Zionist Israel claims to be, is a recent historical invention and in Judaic terms, a complete fake. Indeed some orthodox would say a dangerous fake because a literal Israel runs counter to Judaic teaching.
I believe that Hebrew, a language only useful for Jewish liturgy but useless for communication on the world stage, was chosen to be the one language of Israel not only to establish a national identity but to isolate the population of the new colonial enterprise from the world at large, to make future generations (today’s Israelis) easy to propagandize and manipulate. They now believe ridiculous lies that no one on the outside believes, and have become easy targets for the fear campaign: “everyone hates you; you must be afraid of non-Jews. You must build walls and kill to defend them”. Witness our friend James here.
Agree with the text, but the first image does not show citrus trees.
Greetings from Spain
Thanks. I did wonder but the image was sent to me. What do you think they are?
It would be good to know, but the moral of the story is the same. Palestinians grew thriving orchards of apricots, olives, dates, figs, grapes, and wild pears in addition to the oranges and pomegranates. Israel now claims them as their own, although they destroyed more trees and crops than they have planted.
The Israelis have always been arrogant ecological and environmental vandals. They have depleted the aquifers to fill the swimming pools of illegal colonists and they have uprooted ancient, truly ancient orchards. Not only that, they have poisoned the soil with their bombs, white phosphorus and chemical warfare.
Not sure. Heavily pruned, could be any stone fruit, or may be pomegranate.
Thanks. I changed the caption to make it more general. I am not sure from looking at pomegranate orchards that it is one. Heavily pruned citrus is still possible but thanks for all the input.
It's okay. Blame me.
Well I was not sure but it was close enough. I have had a bit of a look since and there is still the chance it is pruned citrus. Maybe the Palestinians do that to reduce the crop because they have so much trouble harvesting with settlers shooting at them that less fruit is easier.
Exploding pagers may have pruned them.
Yep, definitely look like pruned pomegranate to me. I have some growing in my garden here in Southern Spain
This was a very good article. So factual. Some people are still in the movie, “Exodus” state of mind. So much propaganda and brainwashing has been done by media, politicians and Hollywood(movies & tv). The damage this stuff does is really sad. 😢
It has been noted that Biden and his cronies, along with a big chunk of the US Congress, are of the “Exodus Generation”. The film was a vile, racist piece of propaganda that pulled millions of unthinking Americans into a Zionist belief system. Its extraordinary accomplishment was its appeal to non-Jews; the high-drama theme song was written and sung by Pat Boone.
And now we’re seeing new generations with whole new ideas. 👏
Well, that was just a small part of the takeover of American politics, Government, Presidents, media by Zionist Israeli Jewish agendas. And of course such propaganda works well in the US where many people are poorly educated and literally, too poor to have time to investigate and inform themselves and are generally ignorant about the outside world. The Zionist propaganda machine started in the 19th century and makes Goebbels look like Mickey Mouse. Perhaps Nazism drew on Zionism for inspiration.
Yeah I remember seeing it on tv, not in the theater. It portrayed the Paul Newman character as if the actual person Ari Ben Gurion was a nice guy and when Ari is talking to the Eva Marie Saint character while overlooking the land of Palestine it gets really corny b/c he starts talking about biblical stories. I was young at the time and I’m saddened to say I fell for it. I’m a lot wiser now.☮️🇵🇸
Well movies are theatre, not history or fact. But certainly powerful propaganda.
I am asking this because I do not know. I am always told not every Jew is a Zionist, and recently I have seen a few young Jews in the U.S. protest against Zionism in Israel, but this genocide has been happening for a long time and I can never remember anyone in the U.S. standing up and saying to Israel Stop killing and using "Jewish" or Judaism as the reason it is okay.
Unfortunately, while all Jews are not Zionists, the reality is many Jews, perhaps most, certainly too many have funded, supported and promoted the horror that is Israel. I wrote a piece on this recently, The Crime of Ignorance.
Either those Jews knew the genocidal ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft which founded Israel and which has continued ever since, and did not care, or they did not bother to find out exactly what they were supporting and promoting. I am not sure what is worse.
I agree very much with your post.
From before 1948, there have been people, including Jews, protesting the creation and the crimes of Israel. The Western media has suppressed or vilified them, mostly marginalized and ignored them, or reported their views except those regarding Palestine. Some of the most persistent and courageous and vocal have been Jewish, for decades: Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Bernie Sanders, Alice Rothschild, Medea Benjamin, Philip Roth, and many others.
This article makes great points, and I'm glad there will be a series of them, and grateful to be able to contribute to this project.
Excellent article. Sucvinct, concise and comprehensive demolition of the zionist position.
Well said. Well written. So relevant and particularly important for those who neither know the facts or have been conditioned to see them in false ways.
I commend you for your comprehension, your comprehension, your articulation and your courage to speak out against the ubiquitously conditioned notion, cinically reinforced by human horror and sympathy for the Jewish victims of WWII.
Is it possible for humanity to actually put reality and compassion and understanding of difference before personal prejudice and gain?
I wonder?
There will always be some who will defend the rights of all because they know that ultimately we are all connected and what we do to others, we do to ourselves.
Although I hit “like”, it’s rather inappropriate to say I like the content of this article
It's appropriate to admire truth, and brave when it goes against the convenience of peer group.