Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideo…
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
Mate, I do not give a screaming toss if there is a Jewish state in the world, just not in Palestine and not one which involves bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty to the Palestinians.
Set up a Jewish state in the US where Zionists, Israelis and Jews have most power. The US backs Israel so stick it there.
Either that or drop the insane Jewish racist fantasy and create one state where the native people, the Palestinians, share the land equally with any Israelis who wish to remain and be Palestinians.
GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. People oppose what the Israeli state is and does and has done for nearly 80 years not that the fact a lot of Israelis are Jews.
Look DUDE that’s not for you to dictate in your ahistorical nonsense even if you can say another
You can wank yourself DUDE as ISRAEL exists where it does as a Jewish state and it’s not going anywhere - as GAD SAAD states the main reason only reason is the Arabs / Islamists cannot stand any other sovereign state other than Islamic ruled states ( or Arab states with Muslim ruled majority ) but the fact they can’t stand a Jewish sovereignty there even more so and that’s unacceptable - bad luck
If it was a Swedish state with historical ties and state in land of historical Israel HEBREW Judea or however so named was created like other states in that century in the land I would be saying the same thing if the Arabs tried to kill the Swedish people ( Jews in this case ) and let’s face it Jewish hatred ( anti Semitism is the oldest hate in the world . The fact is ( whether it was right or wrong - Israel does exist as Jewish state like Jordan exists as Arab state and Pakistan as a Islamic stare ) and to say let’s dismantle it especially Israel now would essentially require a second Holocaust - ( the utopian fools are seriously deluded…
I dictate nothing. I simply present facts on a plate of reason and common sense.
The Swedes are a people. Jews are a religion. Apples with apples. I can assure you if Swedes had camped in Palestine 3000 years ago they would also have no right to invade and occupy it.
Quote: By the way, listen to China’s UN rep Fu Cong’s blistering condemnation of Israel, which uses very uncharacteristically strong language:
Now it’s clear that Israel is desperate to provoke Hezbollah in attacking it first, so that it can have the casus belli and global consensus in waging another genocide to cover for the first one in a sort of genocide-Ponzi scheme.
Here’s Israeli media showing its true face in declaring that Lebanese civilians are indistinguishable from Hezbollah ‘terrorists’, a precursor to the whitewashing of the planned genocide:
But what’s been understated is the true reason for why Israel is suddenly so desperate to expand the war to Lebanon. There are several reasons, of course, with varying importance; and while each play a part, let’s look at the most significant.
1. Firstly, Israel’s economy is in danger of crumbling partly owing to the fact that the productivity of the entire north has been disrupted by ongoing repercussions of the Hezbollah fight. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of settlers have fled, farms have been abandoned, etc. This much Netanyahu has openly stated even yesterday in a new speech—that the north must be ‘secured’ in order to bring people back, otherwise it can turn into an abandoned wasteland as Israelis don’t quite have the same taste for subsisting amid open hostilities as the nearby Arabs whom they’ve subjected to such conditions for years.
This was exacerbated today when Hezbollah unleashed a large attack which pierced the Iron Dome and slammed into several neighborhoods. The damage seemed unclear but houses, cars, etc., appeared on fire from published videos.
We’ll call this reason the most overt and ostensibly ‘official’ one, for the sake of political optics. But there are deeper ones.
2. Another major reason that few have gleaned or spoken of is a broader strategic one. Israel has not only likely deduced its time is running out due to the wane of the US Empire which is its chief sponsor, but more specifically, Israel may be taking advantage of a short window of unprecedented American weakness and absence of leadership.
Israeli govt made clear Hezbollah is clearly distinguishable FROM THE Lebanese people especially Sunnis / Christians / Druze etc ( no Jews in Lebanon or very few ) - plus again Jews are ethnicity too despite what you say for gods sake
But going by your logic Hamas / Palestinians are NOT indistinguishable as many support Hamas ( Hamas are Palestinians Arabs ) and part of the structure and fabric in Gaza - the rest are dissenters and get tortured as the son of Hamas also stated - so israel must destroy Hamas who dress as civilians ( another war crime )
Israeli govt made clear Hezbollah is clearly distinguishable Lebanese people especially Sunnis / Christians / Druze etc ( no Jews in Lebanon or very few ) - plus again Jews are ethnicity too despite what you say for gods sake
But going by your logic Hamas / Palestinians are NOT indistinguishable as many support Hamas ( Hamas are Palestinians Arabs ) and part of the structure and fabric in Gaza - the rest are dissenters and get tortured as the son of Hamas also stated - so israel must destroy Hamas who dress as civilians ( another war crime )
You just wish and cheer Oct 7 Hamas pogrom attacks and cheer and wish for Israel Demise as a vicious trivial ANTI ZIONST masquerading as a journalist - with respect you can’t claim that as I bet you don’t subscribe to journalistic integrity of impartiality for one
You don’t present facts you present a one sided narrative with fallacies as fact and selective facts from the most radical left bias sources and mistate and from the dissenters within Israel itself
Wars affect economies no kidding - but Israel has had many wars attacked by its enemies for decades and still managed to became a success Jewish state story against the odds and still build the second biggest economy in middle east proper and it has no oil and a small population - it is still bigger than Iran economy and Egypt with huge populations - Israel leads UAE who is third and UAE has oil ( excluding Turkey )
They hated Jews for their religion first then they hated them just being Jewish like Hitler did
Now it’s clear that hate them for having a Jewish state -
You can deny all you want
The Hamas manifesto is clear just like the Arafat fake Palestinian identity created in 1960s
The 47 UN partook was for a Jewish state AND a additional Arab state ( not a Palestine ) - which Arabs rejected and went to war and lost…tough luck reality and expelled Jews ( Jordan did ) from Judea / Samaria
I think most sane people hate injustice, cruelty, bestial sadism, occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zionists and Jews for a century.
I do not happen to think any of that represents Judaism or real Jews but I recognise that Jews must stand up to reject and push to dismantle the Zionist state if they want to save their religion and their integrity.
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then tell the Arab states to dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
You must really hate Judaism and Jews if you believe Israel represents the religion and its followers.
I reject that anti-semitism. Zionist Israel has exploited too many gullible and not very bright Jews, and defamed the religion, but any understanding of Judaism makes it very clear it does not promote occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zionist Israel for nearly 80 years.
I would never condemn all Jews because of some Jewish fanatics and the lies of Israel, just as I would never condemn Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists for their fanatics.
Oh yes you only condemn the majority of Jews because they are Zionists as Israel is a nation state for the Jewish people ( Jewish majority ) and lie about everything - it is so Ahistorical what and deceptive what you say
You typically only quote the dissenting minority among Jews the radical left anti Zionists type Marxists who openly call for the end of the Jewish state - those are the voices you say “
Oh look as a Jew “ im an anti Zionist” doesn’t count as its feeble and irrelevant and - but at least dissenters are allowed to voice this be it half truths their nonsense or narrative that all radical left use but in Hezbollah and Hamas or PLO autonomy ruled Palestinian territory and many parts of Arab and Islamic nations you cannot even voice any dissenting voice without brutally being silenced as Palestinians are - who may want peace with Israel are by be in by PLO/ Fatah which also encourage terrorism pay for slay incentives / Islamic jihad in west bank and Gaza
None of those states commit the evil that Israel does. None of them are committing genocide. none of them are constantly attacking their neighbours. None of them have a history of bestial savagery which equals Israel.
American Surgeon Who Volunteered in Gaza Says IDF Snipers Shoot Toddlers
'No toddler gets shot twice by mistake,' said Dr. Mark Perlmutter
An American surgeon who volunteered in Gaza https://www.cbsnews.com/video/children-of-gaza/ in an interview that aired Sunday that Israeli snipers were purposely shooting Palestinian children, including toddlers.
“I had children who were shot twice,” said Dr. Mark Perlmutter, who said he was in Gaza at the end of April and the first couple weeks of May. “I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately and directly on the side of the head in the same child.”
In his interview, Perlmutter, vice president of the International College of Surgeons, said what he saw in Gaza was worse than all of the disaster zones he’s seen combined. “Forty mission trips, 30 years, Ground Zero, earthquakes. All of that combined doesn’t equal the level of carnage that I saw against civilians in just my first week in Gaza,” he said.
When asked if the civilians he saw wounded or killed were mostly children, Perlmutter said, “Almost exclusively children. I’ve never seen that before. Never seen that. I’ve seen more incinerated children than I’ve ever seen in my entire life combined. I’ve seen more shredded children in just the first week.”
Asked what he meant by “shredded” children, Perlmutter explained, “Missing body parts, being crushed by buildings, the greatest majority, or bomb explosions, the next greatest majority. We’ve taken shrapnel as big as my thumb out of eight-year-olds.”
Israel should NOT have tolerated at all being sent rockets from Gaza by Hamas for 20 years trying to kill its citizens - no neighbour would - hit the USA’ - not Canada not morrooco not anyone - killi
Even Tibetans don’t even do send rockets into China for 20 years lol and if they did they would be slaughtered and justified too - that’s why there is apparent peace lol ok righto
For heaven's sake, Gaza is not a neighbour, Occupied Palestine is not a neighbour. Israel rules all of Palestine including what is called the West Bank and the Gaza concentration camp.
They were attacking their sadistic and bestial occupiers and colonial rulers and that is their right in law.
TRUST ME iF THE US or Canada were doing to their native people what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians they would also be on the receiving end of rockets and a resistance militia.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS THE TIBETANS HAVE CITIZENSHIP AND ARE NOT LOCKED IN PRISON CANTONS AND CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND RAPED, TORTURED, MURDERED BY THEIR COLONISERS.
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
Your ignorance is supreme. The Chinese gave Tibetans citizenship and rights and they do not imprison them in concentration camps and cantons and rape, torture, murder them constantly.
If The US and Canada were doing to the native people of their countries what Israel does to the Palestinians I can assure you, the Indians would be bombing them too. The Mexicans would be helping them and Canadian Indians would support American Indians, and vice versa, in a just fight for freedom.
You have a comprehension problem as that’s not what i said for then you to then demonstrate your double standard bigoted ignorant one sided false analogy twisted demonstrable bias yet again- and false fraudulent definitions that is typical of radical left Anti Zionist ( anti semites who whether they deny it or not deranged anti Zionism in this context is cover for anti semitism clearly too ) anti Israel types like you. ( they are fringe minority too among western civilised governments that goodness).
Even so, yes I’m sure Tibetans loved being annexed yeah with the Dalai Lama fleeing yes they loved it ( the slaughter too ) and you minimise that and amplify your one sided anti Israel narrative. Tibetans I’m sure wanted their own state when Arab Palestinians rejected theirs
The israel withdrew from Gaza a defacto state of Gaza ( pre 1967 borders if Gaza ) lovey with autonomy rule by Hamas after throwing Fatah members off buildings - it was 20 year launch of missiles that caused israel and Egypt to rightly blockade (but not enough clearly )
You are such a racist bigot deranged anti Israel ( anti Zionist - anti Semite ). Yes I use your fraudulent bogus definition of racist against you because you selectively say Israel proper is a racist state when being Jewish is not even a race and even have Arab judges and doctors etc and can practise their religion etc. You can continue with your double standard blood libels nevertheless when know what you are. Israel was set up as Jewish state and has Arabs, Druze and etc Ethiopian Africans etc ANF Muslims are free to practise their religion and Israel has even accepted non Jewish refugees from other countries that are not hostile to it… tell me what the any potential Palestinian state in area a and b or Gaza have including the defacto Arab Palestine state of Jordan ? No Jews or no Jews allowed in Gaza by Hamas after Israel withdrew - no Synagogues in Gaza ? Apartheid anyone
And Hebron arab Palestinian city has god forbid paltry 1100 Jews
Go smoke a crack pipe and continue to peddle your deranged Anti Zionist narrative as it is your right. Anti Zionism is a scourge.
Hebron is in Occupied Palestine. Jews are there as illegal colonists. Well all of it is Occupied Palestine.
How many Palestinian Christians and Muslims are living in the illegal Jewish colonial settlements? None. And those settlements are on Palestinian land.
Uri Avnery was one of the very few Israelis with conscience and intelligence. He died before the true bestial and sadistic savagery of the Israelis was unleashed.
The Day of Shame
19/05/18
ON BLOODY MONDAY this week, when the number of Palestinian killed and wounded was rising by the hour, I asked myself: what would I have done if I had been a youngster of 15 in the Gaza Strip?
My answer was, without hesitation: I would have stood near the border fence and demonstrated, risking my life and limbs every minute.
How am I so sure?
Simple: I did the same when I was 15.
I was a member of the National Military Organization (the "Irgun"), an armed underground group labeled "terrorist".
Palestine was at the time under British occupation (called "mandate"). In May 1939, the British enacted a law limiting the right of Jews to acquire land. I received an order to be at a certain time at a certain spot near the sea shore of Tel Aviv in order to take part in a demonstration. I was to wait for a trumpet signal.
The trumpet sounded and we started the march down Allenby Road, then the city's main street. Near the main synagogue, somebody climbed the stairs and delivered an inflammatory speech. Then we marched on, to the end of the street, where the offices of the British administration were located. There we sang the national anthem, “Hatikvah”, while some adult members set fire to the offices.
Suddenly several lorries carrying British soldiers screeched to a halt, and a salvo of shots rang out. The British fired over our heads, and we ran away.
Remembering this event 79 years later, it crossed my mind that the boys of Gaza are greater heroes then we were then. They did not run away. They stood their ground for hours, while the death toll rose to 61 and the number of those wounded by live ammunition to some 1500, in addition to 1000 affected by gas.
ON THAT day, most TV stations in Israel and abroad split their screen. On the right, the events in Gaza. On the left, the inauguration of the US Embassy in Jerusalem.
In the 136th year of the Zionist-Palestinian war, that split screen is the picture of reality: the celebration in Jerusalem and the bloodbath in Gaza. Not on two different planets, not in two different continents, but hardly an hour's drive apart.
The celebration in Jerusalem started as a silly event. A bunch of suited males, inflated with self-importance, celebrating - what, exactly? The symbolic movement of an office from one town to another.
Jerusalem is a major bone of contention. Everybody knows that there will be no peace, not now, not ever, without a compromise there. For every Palestinian, every Arab, every Muslim throughout the world, it is unthinkable to give up Jerusalem. It is from there, according to Muslim tradition, that the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven, after tying his horse to the rock that is now the center of the holy places. After Mecca and Medina, Jerusalem is the third holiest place of Islam.
For the Jews, of course, Jerusalem means the place where, some 2000 years ago, there stood the temple built by King Herod, a cruel half-Jew. A remnant of an outer wall still stands there and is revered as the "Western Wall". It used to be called the "Wailing Wall", and is the holiest place of the Jews.
Statesmen have tried to square the circle and find a solution. The 1947 United Nations committee that decreed the partition of Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish state – a solution enthusiastically endorsed by the Jewish leadership – suggested separating Jerusalem from both states and constituting it as a separate unit within what was supposed to be in fact a kind of confederation.
The war of 1948 resulted in a divided city, the Eastern part was occupied by the Arab side (the Kingdom of Jordan) and the Western part became the capital of Israel. (My modest part was to fight in the battle for the road.)
No one liked the division of the city. So my friends and I devised a third solution, which by now has become a world consensus: keep the city united on the municipal level and divide it politically: the West as capital of the State of Israel, the East as capital of the State of Palestine. The leader of the local Palestinians, Faisal al-Husseini, the scion of a most distinguished local Palestinian family and the son of a national hero who was killed not far from my position in the same battle, endorsed this formula publicly. Yasser Arafat gave me his tacit consent.
If President Donald Trump had declared West Jerusalem the capital of Israel and moved his embassy there, almost nobody would have got excited. By omitting the word "West", Trump ignited a fire. Perhaps without realizing what he was doing, and probably not giving a damn.
For me, the moving of the US embassy means nothing. It is a symbolic act that does not change reality. If and when peace does come, no one will care about some stupid act of a half-forgotten US president. Inshallah.
SO THERE they were, this bunch of self-important nobodies, Israelis, Americans and those in-between, having their little festival, while rivers of blood were flowing in Gaza. Human beings were killed by the dozen and wounded by the thousand.
The ceremony started as a cynical meeting, which quickly became grotesque, and ended in being sinister. Nero fiddling while Rome was burning.
When the last hug was exchanged and the last compliment paid (especially to the graceful Ivanka), Gaza remained what it was – a huge concentration camp with severely overcrowded hospitals, lacking medicines and food, drinkable water and electricity.
A ridiculous world-wide propaganda campaign was let loose to counter the world-wide condemnation. For example: the story that the terrorist Hamas had compelled the Gazans to go and demonstrate – as if anyone could be compelled to risk their life in a demonstration.
Or: the story that Hamas paid every demonstrator 50 dollars. Would you risk your life for 50 dollars? Would anybody?
Or: The soldiers had no choice but to kill them, because they were storming the border fence. Actually, no one did so – the huge concentration of Israeli army brigades would have easily prevented it without shooting.
Almost forgotten was a small news item from the days before: Hamas had discreetly offered a Hudna for ten years. A Hudna is a sacred armistice, never to be broken. The Crusaders, our remote predecessors, had many Hudnas with their Arab enemies during their 200-year stay here.
Israeli leaders immediately rejected the offer.
SO WHY were the soldiers ordered to kill? It is the same logic that has animated countless occupation regimes throughout history: make the "natives" so afraid that they will give up. Alas, the results have almost always been the very opposite: the oppressed have become more hardened, more resolute. This is happening now.
Bloody Monday may well be seen in future as the day when the Palestinians regained their national pride, their will to stand up and fight for their independence.
Strangely, the next day – the main day of the planned protest, Naqba Day - only two demonstrators were killed. Israeli diplomats abroad, facing world-wide indignation, had probably sent home SOS messages. Clearly the Israeli army had changed its orders. Non-lethal means were used and sufficed.
MY CONSCIENCE does not allow me to conclude this without some self-criticism.
I would have expected that all of Israel's renowned writers would publish a thundering joint condemnation while the shooting was still going on. It did not happen.
The political "opposition" was contemptible. No word from the Labor party. No word from Ya'ir Lapid. The new leader of the Meretz party, Tamar Sandberg, did at least boycott the Jerusalem celebration. Labor and Lapid did not even do that.
I would have expected that the dozens of our brave peace organizations would unite in a dramatic act of condemnation, an act that would arouse the world. It did not happen. Perhaps they were in a state of shock.
The next day, the excellent boys and girls of the peace groups demonstrated opposite the Likud office in Tel Aviv. Some 500 took part. Far, far from the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated some years ago against the price of cottage cheese.
In short: we did not do our duty. I accuse myself as much as I accuse everybody else.
We must prepare at once for the next atrocity. We must organize for mass action now!
BUT WHAT topped everything was the huge machine of brain-washing that was set in motion. For many years I have not experienced anything like it.
Almost all the so-called "military correspondents" acted like army propaganda agents. Day by day they helped the army to spread lies and falsifications. The public had no alternative but to believe every word. Nobody told them otherwise.
The same is true for almost all other means of communication, program presenters, announcers and correspondents. They willingly became government liars. Probably many of them were ordered to do so by their bosses. Not a glorious chapter.
After the day of blood, when the army was faced with world condemnation and had to stop shooting ("only" killing two unarmed demonstrators) all Israeli media were united in declaring this a great Israeli victory.
Israel had to open the crossings and send food and medicines to Gaza. Egypt had to open its Gaza crossing and accept many hundreds of wounded for operations and other treatment.
And yes and Islamic jihad are not sane that’s all what Hamas does against its won and how the want to destroy Jewish state and replace it with Islamic caliphate -
Wars now started by Hamas is horrible and like any war it would be a miracle if no civilians especially with Hamas strategy to shoot from civilian areas ( another war crime )
You are flogging a dead horse. It is irrelevant what Hamas does as part of the Palestinian Resistance because they are the victims and Israel is the aggressor.
And if the Jewish state is destroyed and an Islamic state replaces it and treats people as the Jews have done I will be condemning that equally. However, Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people and how they run their country is their business.
Given the fact the Palestinians are an ancient, cultured, sophisticated and well educated people I do not foresee an Islamic State when it is free.
The facts are against you. This war was started by Zionists and Jews a century ago. All fault, all blame, all responsibility is with Zionists, Israelis and Jews and their supporters.
And if the Palestinian Resistance fighting their evil oppressors is a war crime then you are saying the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto committed a war crime resisting their evil oppressors. I doubt many people would agree with you on that one.
Exploding Pagers in Lebanon, Another Israeli Terrorism Blunder?
Jamal Kanj
Benjamin Netanyahu’s security cabinet has approved a plan to wage a war on Lebanon under the pretext of returning Israeli settlers to their colonies in the north part of historical Palestine.
Historically, the Israeli government does not usually discuss its military plans in the public arena. The security cabinet meeting, initially scheduled for Sunday, was delayed to Monday until after the arrival of American envoy, Amos Hochstein. Following their meeting, Israeli Prime Minister told Hochstein thanks for U.S. support, but Israel “will do what is necessary” for the return of the Israeli settlers to the “Jewish only” colonies located along the borders with Lebanon
According to Israeli sources, the Biden administration wanted to avoid a broader regional conflict that might involve the Resistance in Lebanon, Yemen and Iran, at least until after the U.S. elections in November. However, all indications suggest that Netanyahu is resisting the American demands, and even disregarding the opinion of his own war minister who does not believe it’s the right time to expand the war. Netanyahu’s preparations for the war could also include dismissing Yaov Gallant and replacing him with Gideon Sa’ar from the New Hope Jewish racist party. This prompted Biden to send Hochstein to warn the Israeli prime minister of dangerous consequence if he moves ahead and dismisses Gallant.
The political posturing and the unusual public nature of these discussions—potential dismissals of a minister, and talk of military action—suggests that a decision to launch a war against Lebanon may have been imminent. Furthermore, the infighting within the Israeli government appears to have caused confusion or disorganization exhibited by “unapproved” actions taken by Israeli military units along the Lebanese border.
As an example, on September 16, leaflets in Arabic were dropped in South Lebanon ordering residents to leave their homes and warning that civilians who remain become legitimate Israeli targets. But shortly afterward, the Israeli military announced that no official evacuation order had been issued and that the leaflets were distributed without proper authorization.
Besides the hollow excuse for a lack of proper authorization, army units do not have printing machines to prepare leaflets that include the exact date and timing⎯4 p.m. (13:00 GMT)⎯by which civilians should complete their evacuation. Leaflets are typically brought by other specialized units to the frontline.
This raises the questions, could the leaflets have been part of an earlier war plans? Did Hochstein’s visit force a delay in the timing, but the change wasn’t communicated down to the unit responsible for distributing the leaflets?
Then on the following day, Tuesday September 17, approximately 3,000 pagers exploded simultaneously across Lebanon.
Is there a connection between the original timing of the leaflets and the detonation of the pagers?
The above two incidents suggest a serious misstep and could have possibly derailed the original Israeli war plans against Lebanon. In fact, these miscalculations may potentially become larger than Israel’s security screw-up on October 7, 2023.
Before arguing the points for this hypothesis, one must acknowledge that booby-trapping the pagers was possibly one of the most sophisticated espionage operations orchestrated by the Israeli Mossad; no less than the assassination of Ismail Hania in Tehran. Having stated the above, however, one might be surprised in concluding that as far reaching as this covert action was for the Israeli spies, in all likelihood, this was a failure.
The Israeli terrorist assault resulted in the killing of nine Lebanese, including a child, and injuring close to 3000 individuals. Despite what was reported in the managed Western media, many were innocent civilians, some were driving cars, while others were shopping in crowded markets.
In this attack, Israel did not aim to terrorize civilians only, they do that daily. More importantly, targeting the pagers intended to interrupt the communication channels for Resistance operatives, as well as the civilian infrastructure such as hospitals and civil defense. Therefore, for the above to achieve optimum effectiveness, such an operation would need to have taken place during the initial Israeli military attack, not on a normal afternoon in Lebanon. Hence, the relationship between the “unauthorized” leaflets ordering Lebanese civilians to evacuate by 4 p.m. September 16, and the flub of the exploding pagers precisely 24 hours later.
In essence, it appears that Israel had initially prepared to order the evacuation ahead of a planned military action on the 16th. At the same time, the pagers were programmed to detonate during the initial phase of the war, 24 hours later, to disrupt communication channels, create confusion and disarray in the midst of war.
However, the overextended Israeli army that failed in preventing the release of the evacuation leaflets on May 16, when the war was likely delayed. It also did not halt the premature detonation of the pagers on September 17. The last oversight, the second within 24 hours, may have resulted in a missed strategic opportunity for the Israeli army, and another blunder for the Israeli leadership.
Jamal Kanj is the author of Children of Catastrophe: Journey from a Palestinian Refugee Camp to America, and other books. He writes frequently on Arab world issues for various national and international commentaries.
So when or if israel surgically targets know subscribed ISLAMIC terrorists like Hezbollah that is terrorism . Wow -
Killing bin laden and his Islamic terrorist cronies must have terrorism too according to this post using slanted key words accusations as fact - and JUSTIFIED
Hezbollah and Hamas are beyond Islamic terrorists and beyond simple war crimes they are barbaric islamic terrorist monsters and the sooner they get out of Lebanon the better it will be for the Sunni and Christian communities of Lebanon and Lebanon itself which is bankrupt broken state - anything Iran touches turns to shit
You overlook the fact, as do many, that if it is agreed that Israel can summarily execute anyone, anywhere, anytime just because Israel has decided they are a terrorist, regardless of any proof or legal conviction, then you are saying anyone else can do the same.
If we see a wave of assassinations of Israelis can we take it that as a matter of accepting the principle of summary execution of anyone you want dead, that you would agree, executing Israelis would be equally valid.
Remember Israel calls anyone who opposes them and their occupation a terrorist and yet most people in the world consider Israel to be a terrorist state. By your criteria that gives anyone who chooses to do so the right to assassinate as many Israelis as they wish.
I happen to think that is a very dangerous and barbaric world and not one which most humans would ever support, including most Israelis.
Be careful what you wish for others because you are also wishing it for yourself.
Well it was not surgical and we only have Israel's word that they were known targets and Israel has a long history of lies. The Israeli policy is to seek to terrify the public/civilians into compliance. It does not work but that is the policy.
We know that most of the injured and dead were not those who could be Hezbollah operatives. We also know it was not surgically targeted because many others had the pagers like doctors, emergency workers.
We know children were killed and maimed. So your claims are ridiculous.
It was an attack which guaranteed civilian deaths and injury with no gaurantees of hitting Hezbollah operatives.
In addition, Hezbollah is assisting the Palestinians in their just fight for freedom so they are not terrorists but freedom fighters.
As to Osama Bin Laden, yes killing him was also terrorism. In a civilized world we have innocent until proven guilty so anyone assassinated without being convicted in a court of law has been murdered in an act of terrorism.
In addition, Bin Laden was a CIA operative, trained to work for them during the war in Aghanistan. Bin Laden also suffered serious kidney disease and probably died long before the Americans decided on their bit of theatre to claim they killed him.
Also, Bin Laden and Al Quaeda, a group set up by the CIA in Afghanistan, were blamed for 9/11 even though it was admitted the so-called terrorists were Saudis. And then the Americans flew a bunch of important Saudis out of the US, after 9.11 when there was a no-fly policy in place.
Things are rarely what they seem and the Israelis are not the only liars.
Iran is an ancient, sophisticated and quite brilliant culture, society and country. It has been trapped in fundamentalist Islam thanks to the American meddling, but its people are impressively clever, far cleverer than the made in a minute Israelis, and they will ultimately outwit the Ditzraeli terrorists.
If Hamas was doing what it is doing when there is no occupation by Israel you would be correct.
Because Israel inflicts a bestial, sadistic and savage military colonial occupation on all of Palestine then Hamas are not terrorists but freedom fighters. It is the Israelis who are the terrorists.
It is the right of the Palestinians to take support from whoever offers it, including Iran, just as Israel claims that right.
Israelis will have no say in the dismantling of their State. It is crumbling already with an economy in ruins, half the colonists have gone back to where they came from and businesses are bankrupt.
Oh the cia ? Lol the Americans were helping afganis against the Soviet invasion - its a huge leap to say the evils of Al Qaeda developed years later who turned against any thing American and even Saudi Arabia itself and sept 11 itself was justified ( it wasn’t ) just like Oct 7 was not justified but radical lefties like you skewer it and say Islamic terrorism is not Islamic terrorism including the butchering and raping and mass murder ( not accidental killing in war ) was not only denied by you ( the radical ) but resistance and justified then deny it even happened when it’s all on camera footage by Islamic jihadi Palestinians / Hamas because you say ( under your skewered Hamas talking islamic jihadi pro Palestinians Jihadi talking points israel proper it’s all Palestine and Arabs can do anything they want to the Jewish state of Israel and it’s all resistance - you know how Radical hypocritical and deranged that sounds- plus you are flat wring and it’s irrelevant what you say and again ISRAEL ( PROPER ) EXISTS IN FACT AND LAW AS JEWISH STATE DESPITE YOUR DELUSIONAL BELIEF WHICH WONT CHANGE A THING
The Zionist state is a Jewish state
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then the Arab states should just dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
ISRAELIS AND THE JEWISH ZIONIST STATE OF JEWISH ISRAEL DECIDE WHO ITS RESIDENTS OR CITIZENS WILL BE NOT YOU
It’s simple the Zionist state IS a Jewish state - it’s a Jewish state in law and fact accepted by the modern western world since 1948 - its irrelevant what you think and other radical left cronies and Islamist jihadis like Palestinians jihadi terrorists and evil brutal Iranian regime think
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then tell the Arab states to dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
Mate, I do not give a screaming toss if there is a Jewish state in the world, just not in Palestine and not one which involves bestial savagery and sadistic cruelty to the Palestinians.
Set up a Jewish state in the US where Zionists, Israelis and Jews have most power. The US backs Israel so stick it there.
Either that or drop the insane Jewish racist fantasy and create one state where the native people, the Palestinians, share the land equally with any Israelis who wish to remain and be Palestinians.
GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. People oppose what the Israeli state is and does and has done for nearly 80 years not that the fact a lot of Israelis are Jews.
Look DUDE that’s not for you to dictate in your ahistorical nonsense even if you can say another
You can wank yourself DUDE as ISRAEL exists where it does as a Jewish state and it’s not going anywhere - as GAD SAAD states the main reason only reason is the Arabs / Islamists cannot stand any other sovereign state other than Islamic ruled states ( or Arab states with Muslim ruled majority ) but the fact they can’t stand a Jewish sovereignty there even more so and that’s unacceptable - bad luck
If it was a Swedish state with historical ties and state in land of historical Israel HEBREW Judea or however so named was created like other states in that century in the land I would be saying the same thing if the Arabs tried to kill the Swedish people ( Jews in this case ) and let’s face it Jewish hatred ( anti Semitism is the oldest hate in the world . The fact is ( whether it was right or wrong - Israel does exist as Jewish state like Jordan exists as Arab state and Pakistan as a Islamic stare ) and to say let’s dismantle it especially Israel now would essentially require a second Holocaust - ( the utopian fools are seriously deluded…
I dictate nothing. I simply present facts on a plate of reason and common sense.
The Swedes are a people. Jews are a religion. Apples with apples. I can assure you if Swedes had camped in Palestine 3000 years ago they would also have no right to invade and occupy it.
Quote: By the way, listen to China’s UN rep Fu Cong’s blistering condemnation of Israel, which uses very uncharacteristically strong language:
Now it’s clear that Israel is desperate to provoke Hezbollah in attacking it first, so that it can have the casus belli and global consensus in waging another genocide to cover for the first one in a sort of genocide-Ponzi scheme.
Here’s Israeli media showing its true face in declaring that Lebanese civilians are indistinguishable from Hezbollah ‘terrorists’, a precursor to the whitewashing of the planned genocide:
But what’s been understated is the true reason for why Israel is suddenly so desperate to expand the war to Lebanon. There are several reasons, of course, with varying importance; and while each play a part, let’s look at the most significant.
1. Firstly, Israel’s economy is in danger of crumbling partly owing to the fact that the productivity of the entire north has been disrupted by ongoing repercussions of the Hezbollah fight. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of settlers have fled, farms have been abandoned, etc. This much Netanyahu has openly stated even yesterday in a new speech—that the north must be ‘secured’ in order to bring people back, otherwise it can turn into an abandoned wasteland as Israelis don’t quite have the same taste for subsisting amid open hostilities as the nearby Arabs whom they’ve subjected to such conditions for years.
This was exacerbated today when Hezbollah unleashed a large attack which pierced the Iron Dome and slammed into several neighborhoods. The damage seemed unclear but houses, cars, etc., appeared on fire from published videos.
We’ll call this reason the most overt and ostensibly ‘official’ one, for the sake of political optics. But there are deeper ones.
2. Another major reason that few have gleaned or spoken of is a broader strategic one. Israel has not only likely deduced its time is running out due to the wane of the US Empire which is its chief sponsor, but more specifically, Israel may be taking advantage of a short window of unprecedented American weakness and absence of leadership.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israel-putters-into-crisis-zelensky
Israeli govt made clear Hezbollah is clearly distinguishable FROM THE Lebanese people especially Sunnis / Christians / Druze etc ( no Jews in Lebanon or very few ) - plus again Jews are ethnicity too despite what you say for gods sake
But going by your logic Hamas / Palestinians are NOT indistinguishable as many support Hamas ( Hamas are Palestinians Arabs ) and part of the structure and fabric in Gaza - the rest are dissenters and get tortured as the son of Hamas also stated - so israel must destroy Hamas who dress as civilians ( another war crime )
Israeli govt made clear Hezbollah is clearly distinguishable Lebanese people especially Sunnis / Christians / Druze etc ( no Jews in Lebanon or very few ) - plus again Jews are ethnicity too despite what you say for gods sake
But going by your logic Hamas / Palestinians are NOT indistinguishable as many support Hamas ( Hamas are Palestinians Arabs ) and part of the structure and fabric in Gaza - the rest are dissenters and get tortured as the son of Hamas also stated - so israel must destroy Hamas who dress as civilians ( another war crime )
You just wish and cheer Oct 7 Hamas pogrom attacks and cheer and wish for Israel Demise as a vicious trivial ANTI ZIONST masquerading as a journalist - with respect you can’t claim that as I bet you don’t subscribe to journalistic integrity of impartiality for one
You don’t present facts you present a one sided narrative with fallacies as fact and selective facts from the most radical left bias sources and mistate and from the dissenters within Israel itself
Wars affect economies no kidding - but Israel has had many wars attacked by its enemies for decades and still managed to became a success Jewish state story against the odds and still build the second biggest economy in middle east proper and it has no oil and a small population - it is still bigger than Iran economy and Egypt with huge populations - Israel leads UAE who is third and UAE has oil ( excluding Turkey )
They hated Jews for their religion first then they hated them just being Jewish like Hitler did
Now it’s clear that hate them for having a Jewish state -
You can deny all you want
The Hamas manifesto is clear just like the Arafat fake Palestinian identity created in 1960s
The 47 UN partook was for a Jewish state AND a additional Arab state ( not a Palestine ) - which Arabs rejected and went to war and lost…tough luck reality and expelled Jews ( Jordan did ) from Judea / Samaria
I think most sane people hate injustice, cruelty, bestial sadism, occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zionists and Jews for a century.
I do not happen to think any of that represents Judaism or real Jews but I recognise that Jews must stand up to reject and push to dismantle the Zionist state if they want to save their religion and their integrity.
The Zionist state is a Jewish state
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then tell the Arab states to dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
To let you know since you are the one doing it, repeated posts and abusive posts will be removed.
You must really hate Judaism and Jews if you believe Israel represents the religion and its followers.
I reject that anti-semitism. Zionist Israel has exploited too many gullible and not very bright Jews, and defamed the religion, but any understanding of Judaism makes it very clear it does not promote occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zionist Israel for nearly 80 years.
I would never condemn all Jews because of some Jewish fanatics and the lies of Israel, just as I would never condemn Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists for their fanatics.
Oh yes you only condemn the majority of Jews because they are Zionists as Israel is a nation state for the Jewish people ( Jewish majority ) and lie about everything - it is so Ahistorical what and deceptive what you say
You typically only quote the dissenting minority among Jews the radical left anti Zionists type Marxists who openly call for the end of the Jewish state - those are the voices you say “
Oh look as a Jew “ im an anti Zionist” doesn’t count as its feeble and irrelevant and - but at least dissenters are allowed to voice this be it half truths their nonsense or narrative that all radical left use but in Hezbollah and Hamas or PLO autonomy ruled Palestinian territory and many parts of Arab and Islamic nations you cannot even voice any dissenting voice without brutally being silenced as Palestinians are - who may want peace with Israel are by be in by PLO/ Fatah which also encourage terrorism pay for slay incentives / Islamic jihad in west bank and Gaza
None of those states commit the evil that Israel does. None of them are committing genocide. none of them are constantly attacking their neighbours. None of them have a history of bestial savagery which equals Israel.
American Surgeon Who Volunteered in Gaza Says IDF Snipers Shoot Toddlers
'No toddler gets shot twice by mistake,' said Dr. Mark Perlmutter
https://news.antiwar.com/author/dave_decamp/ July 22, 2024 at 5:30 pm ET Categorieshttps://news.antiwar.com/category/news/
An American surgeon who volunteered in Gaza https://www.cbsnews.com/video/children-of-gaza/ in an interview that aired Sunday that Israeli snipers were purposely shooting Palestinian children, including toddlers.
“I had children who were shot twice,” said Dr. Mark Perlmutter, who said he was in Gaza at the end of April and the first couple weeks of May. “I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately and directly on the side of the head in the same child.”
Perlmutter added, “No toddler gets shot twice by mistake by ‘the world’s best snipers.’ And they’re dead-center shots.” Other foreign doctors who volunteered in Gaza https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-warhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war back in April, saying Israeli snipers were shooting children in the head.
Earlier this month, https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/published a report citing Israeli soldiers that detailed how the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) in Gaza essentially had no restrictions on who they could shoot. The report said the IDF “routinely executes” civilians who enter areas the military deemed “no-go zones,” and it detailed shootings where young children were killed.
In his interview, Perlmutter, vice president of the International College of Surgeons, said what he saw in Gaza was worse than all of the disaster zones he’s seen combined. “Forty mission trips, 30 years, Ground Zero, earthquakes. All of that combined doesn’t equal the level of carnage that I saw against civilians in just my first week in Gaza,” he said.
When asked if the civilians he saw wounded or killed were mostly children, Perlmutter said, “Almost exclusively children. I’ve never seen that before. Never seen that. I’ve seen more incinerated children than I’ve ever seen in my entire life combined. I’ve seen more shredded children in just the first week.”
Asked what he meant by “shredded” children, Perlmutter explained, “Missing body parts, being crushed by buildings, the greatest majority, or bomb explosions, the next greatest majority. We’ve taken shrapnel as big as my thumb out of eight-year-olds.”
According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/-suffering-horrifically-10-months-of-israel-s-war-on-children-in-gaza/3272681, and about 38,000 have been wounded, which includes many amputees. Due to the Israeli siege, children’s limbs https://news.sky.com/video/children-in-gaza-experience-physical-injuries-and-deep-trauma-as-childrens-limbs-are-amputated-without-anaesthetic-13148350#:~:text=Politics-,Children%20in%20Gaza%20experience%20physical%20injuries%20and%20deep%20trauma,limbs%20are%20amputated%20without%20anaesthetic
Israel should NOT have tolerated at all being sent rockets from Gaza by Hamas for 20 years trying to kill its citizens - no neighbour would - hit the USA’ - not Canada not morrooco not anyone - killi
Even Tibetans don’t even do send rockets into China for 20 years lol and if they did they would be slaughtered and justified too - that’s why there is apparent peace lol ok righto
For heaven's sake, Gaza is not a neighbour, Occupied Palestine is not a neighbour. Israel rules all of Palestine including what is called the West Bank and the Gaza concentration camp.
They were attacking their sadistic and bestial occupiers and colonial rulers and that is their right in law.
TRUST ME iF THE US or Canada were doing to their native people what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians they would also be on the receiving end of rockets and a resistance militia.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS THE TIBETANS HAVE CITIZENSHIP AND ARE NOT LOCKED IN PRISON CANTONS AND CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND RAPED, TORTURED, MURDERED BY THEIR COLONISERS.
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
They have Free Tibet protests all the time still
Your ignorance is supreme. The Chinese gave Tibetans citizenship and rights and they do not imprison them in concentration camps and cantons and rape, torture, murder them constantly.
If The US and Canada were doing to the native people of their countries what Israel does to the Palestinians I can assure you, the Indians would be bombing them too. The Mexicans would be helping them and Canadian Indians would support American Indians, and vice versa, in a just fight for freedom.
https://savetibet.org/policy-alienating-tibetans-denial-passports-tibetans-china-intensifies-control/
You are so full of double standard bias deluded blanket shit
You have a comprehension problem as that’s not what i said for then you to then demonstrate your double standard bigoted ignorant one sided false analogy twisted demonstrable bias yet again- and false fraudulent definitions that is typical of radical left Anti Zionist ( anti semites who whether they deny it or not deranged anti Zionism in this context is cover for anti semitism clearly too ) anti Israel types like you. ( they are fringe minority too among western civilised governments that goodness).
Even so, yes I’m sure Tibetans loved being annexed yeah with the Dalai Lama fleeing yes they loved it ( the slaughter too ) and you minimise that and amplify your one sided anti Israel narrative. Tibetans I’m sure wanted their own state when Arab Palestinians rejected theirs
The israel withdrew from Gaza a defacto state of Gaza ( pre 1967 borders if Gaza ) lovey with autonomy rule by Hamas after throwing Fatah members off buildings - it was 20 year launch of missiles that caused israel and Egypt to rightly blockade (but not enough clearly )
You are such a racist bigot deranged anti Israel ( anti Zionist - anti Semite ). Yes I use your fraudulent bogus definition of racist against you because you selectively say Israel proper is a racist state when being Jewish is not even a race and even have Arab judges and doctors etc and can practise their religion etc. You can continue with your double standard blood libels nevertheless when know what you are. Israel was set up as Jewish state and has Arabs, Druze and etc Ethiopian Africans etc ANF Muslims are free to practise their religion and Israel has even accepted non Jewish refugees from other countries that are not hostile to it… tell me what the any potential Palestinian state in area a and b or Gaza have including the defacto Arab Palestine state of Jordan ? No Jews or no Jews allowed in Gaza by Hamas after Israel withdrew - no Synagogues in Gaza ? Apartheid anyone
And Hebron arab Palestinian city has god forbid paltry 1100 Jews
Go smoke a crack pipe and continue to peddle your deranged Anti Zionist narrative as it is your right. Anti Zionism is a scourge.
Hebron is in Occupied Palestine. Jews are there as illegal colonists. Well all of it is Occupied Palestine.
How many Palestinian Christians and Muslims are living in the illegal Jewish colonial settlements? None. And those settlements are on Palestinian land.
Uri Avnery was one of the very few Israelis with conscience and intelligence. He died before the true bestial and sadistic savagery of the Israelis was unleashed.
The Day of Shame
19/05/18
ON BLOODY MONDAY this week, when the number of Palestinian killed and wounded was rising by the hour, I asked myself: what would I have done if I had been a youngster of 15 in the Gaza Strip?
My answer was, without hesitation: I would have stood near the border fence and demonstrated, risking my life and limbs every minute.
How am I so sure?
Simple: I did the same when I was 15.
I was a member of the National Military Organization (the "Irgun"), an armed underground group labeled "terrorist".
Palestine was at the time under British occupation (called "mandate"). In May 1939, the British enacted a law limiting the right of Jews to acquire land. I received an order to be at a certain time at a certain spot near the sea shore of Tel Aviv in order to take part in a demonstration. I was to wait for a trumpet signal.
The trumpet sounded and we started the march down Allenby Road, then the city's main street. Near the main synagogue, somebody climbed the stairs and delivered an inflammatory speech. Then we marched on, to the end of the street, where the offices of the British administration were located. There we sang the national anthem, “Hatikvah”, while some adult members set fire to the offices.
Suddenly several lorries carrying British soldiers screeched to a halt, and a salvo of shots rang out. The British fired over our heads, and we ran away.
Remembering this event 79 years later, it crossed my mind that the boys of Gaza are greater heroes then we were then. They did not run away. They stood their ground for hours, while the death toll rose to 61 and the number of those wounded by live ammunition to some 1500, in addition to 1000 affected by gas.
ON THAT day, most TV stations in Israel and abroad split their screen. On the right, the events in Gaza. On the left, the inauguration of the US Embassy in Jerusalem.
In the 136th year of the Zionist-Palestinian war, that split screen is the picture of reality: the celebration in Jerusalem and the bloodbath in Gaza. Not on two different planets, not in two different continents, but hardly an hour's drive apart.
The celebration in Jerusalem started as a silly event. A bunch of suited males, inflated with self-importance, celebrating - what, exactly? The symbolic movement of an office from one town to another.
Jerusalem is a major bone of contention. Everybody knows that there will be no peace, not now, not ever, without a compromise there. For every Palestinian, every Arab, every Muslim throughout the world, it is unthinkable to give up Jerusalem. It is from there, according to Muslim tradition, that the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven, after tying his horse to the rock that is now the center of the holy places. After Mecca and Medina, Jerusalem is the third holiest place of Islam.
For the Jews, of course, Jerusalem means the place where, some 2000 years ago, there stood the temple built by King Herod, a cruel half-Jew. A remnant of an outer wall still stands there and is revered as the "Western Wall". It used to be called the "Wailing Wall", and is the holiest place of the Jews.
Statesmen have tried to square the circle and find a solution. The 1947 United Nations committee that decreed the partition of Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish state – a solution enthusiastically endorsed by the Jewish leadership – suggested separating Jerusalem from both states and constituting it as a separate unit within what was supposed to be in fact a kind of confederation.
The war of 1948 resulted in a divided city, the Eastern part was occupied by the Arab side (the Kingdom of Jordan) and the Western part became the capital of Israel. (My modest part was to fight in the battle for the road.)
No one liked the division of the city. So my friends and I devised a third solution, which by now has become a world consensus: keep the city united on the municipal level and divide it politically: the West as capital of the State of Israel, the East as capital of the State of Palestine. The leader of the local Palestinians, Faisal al-Husseini, the scion of a most distinguished local Palestinian family and the son of a national hero who was killed not far from my position in the same battle, endorsed this formula publicly. Yasser Arafat gave me his tacit consent.
If President Donald Trump had declared West Jerusalem the capital of Israel and moved his embassy there, almost nobody would have got excited. By omitting the word "West", Trump ignited a fire. Perhaps without realizing what he was doing, and probably not giving a damn.
For me, the moving of the US embassy means nothing. It is a symbolic act that does not change reality. If and when peace does come, no one will care about some stupid act of a half-forgotten US president. Inshallah.
SO THERE they were, this bunch of self-important nobodies, Israelis, Americans and those in-between, having their little festival, while rivers of blood were flowing in Gaza. Human beings were killed by the dozen and wounded by the thousand.
The ceremony started as a cynical meeting, which quickly became grotesque, and ended in being sinister. Nero fiddling while Rome was burning.
When the last hug was exchanged and the last compliment paid (especially to the graceful Ivanka), Gaza remained what it was – a huge concentration camp with severely overcrowded hospitals, lacking medicines and food, drinkable water and electricity.
A ridiculous world-wide propaganda campaign was let loose to counter the world-wide condemnation. For example: the story that the terrorist Hamas had compelled the Gazans to go and demonstrate – as if anyone could be compelled to risk their life in a demonstration.
Or: the story that Hamas paid every demonstrator 50 dollars. Would you risk your life for 50 dollars? Would anybody?
Or: The soldiers had no choice but to kill them, because they were storming the border fence. Actually, no one did so – the huge concentration of Israeli army brigades would have easily prevented it without shooting.
Almost forgotten was a small news item from the days before: Hamas had discreetly offered a Hudna for ten years. A Hudna is a sacred armistice, never to be broken. The Crusaders, our remote predecessors, had many Hudnas with their Arab enemies during their 200-year stay here.
Israeli leaders immediately rejected the offer.
SO WHY were the soldiers ordered to kill? It is the same logic that has animated countless occupation regimes throughout history: make the "natives" so afraid that they will give up. Alas, the results have almost always been the very opposite: the oppressed have become more hardened, more resolute. This is happening now.
Bloody Monday may well be seen in future as the day when the Palestinians regained their national pride, their will to stand up and fight for their independence.
Strangely, the next day – the main day of the planned protest, Naqba Day - only two demonstrators were killed. Israeli diplomats abroad, facing world-wide indignation, had probably sent home SOS messages. Clearly the Israeli army had changed its orders. Non-lethal means were used and sufficed.
MY CONSCIENCE does not allow me to conclude this without some self-criticism.
I would have expected that all of Israel's renowned writers would publish a thundering joint condemnation while the shooting was still going on. It did not happen.
The political "opposition" was contemptible. No word from the Labor party. No word from Ya'ir Lapid. The new leader of the Meretz party, Tamar Sandberg, did at least boycott the Jerusalem celebration. Labor and Lapid did not even do that.
I would have expected that the dozens of our brave peace organizations would unite in a dramatic act of condemnation, an act that would arouse the world. It did not happen. Perhaps they were in a state of shock.
The next day, the excellent boys and girls of the peace groups demonstrated opposite the Likud office in Tel Aviv. Some 500 took part. Far, far from the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated some years ago against the price of cottage cheese.
In short: we did not do our duty. I accuse myself as much as I accuse everybody else.
We must prepare at once for the next atrocity. We must organize for mass action now!
BUT WHAT topped everything was the huge machine of brain-washing that was set in motion. For many years I have not experienced anything like it.
Almost all the so-called "military correspondents" acted like army propaganda agents. Day by day they helped the army to spread lies and falsifications. The public had no alternative but to believe every word. Nobody told them otherwise.
The same is true for almost all other means of communication, program presenters, announcers and correspondents. They willingly became government liars. Probably many of them were ordered to do so by their bosses. Not a glorious chapter.
After the day of blood, when the army was faced with world condemnation and had to stop shooting ("only" killing two unarmed demonstrators) all Israeli media were united in declaring this a great Israeli victory.
Israel had to open the crossings and send food and medicines to Gaza. Egypt had to open its Gaza crossing and accept many hundreds of wounded for operations and other treatment.
The Day of Shame has passed. Until the next time.
And yes and Islamic jihad are not sane that’s all what Hamas does against its won and how the want to destroy Jewish state and replace it with Islamic caliphate -
Wars now started by Hamas is horrible and like any war it would be a miracle if no civilians especially with Hamas strategy to shoot from civilian areas ( another war crime )
You are flogging a dead horse. It is irrelevant what Hamas does as part of the Palestinian Resistance because they are the victims and Israel is the aggressor.
And if the Jewish state is destroyed and an Islamic state replaces it and treats people as the Jews have done I will be condemning that equally. However, Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people and how they run their country is their business.
Given the fact the Palestinians are an ancient, cultured, sophisticated and well educated people I do not foresee an Islamic State when it is free.
The facts are against you. This war was started by Zionists and Jews a century ago. All fault, all blame, all responsibility is with Zionists, Israelis and Jews and their supporters.
And if the Palestinian Resistance fighting their evil oppressors is a war crime then you are saying the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto committed a war crime resisting their evil oppressors. I doubt many people would agree with you on that one.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240922-israeli-government-chose-revenge-not-hostages-ex-mossad-chief/
September 19, 2024
Exploding Pagers in Lebanon, Another Israeli Terrorism Blunder?
Jamal Kanj
Benjamin Netanyahu’s security cabinet has approved a plan to wage a war on Lebanon under the pretext of returning Israeli settlers to their colonies in the north part of historical Palestine.
Historically, the Israeli government does not usually discuss its military plans in the public arena. The security cabinet meeting, initially scheduled for Sunday, was delayed to Monday until after the arrival of American envoy, Amos Hochstein. Following their meeting, Israeli Prime Minister told Hochstein thanks for U.S. support, but Israel “will do what is necessary” for the return of the Israeli settlers to the “Jewish only” colonies located along the borders with Lebanon
According to Israeli sources, the Biden administration wanted to avoid a broader regional conflict that might involve the Resistance in Lebanon, Yemen and Iran, at least until after the U.S. elections in November. However, all indications suggest that Netanyahu is resisting the American demands, and even disregarding the opinion of his own war minister who does not believe it’s the right time to expand the war. Netanyahu’s preparations for the war could also include dismissing Yaov Gallant and replacing him with Gideon Sa’ar from the New Hope Jewish racist party. This prompted Biden to send Hochstein to warn the Israeli prime minister of dangerous consequence if he moves ahead and dismisses Gallant.
The political posturing and the unusual public nature of these discussions—potential dismissals of a minister, and talk of military action—suggests that a decision to launch a war against Lebanon may have been imminent. Furthermore, the infighting within the Israeli government appears to have caused confusion or disorganization exhibited by “unapproved” actions taken by Israeli military units along the Lebanese border.
As an example, on September 16, leaflets in Arabic were dropped in South Lebanon ordering residents to leave their homes and warning that civilians who remain become legitimate Israeli targets. But shortly afterward, the Israeli military announced that no official evacuation order had been issued and that the leaflets were distributed without proper authorization.
Besides the hollow excuse for a lack of proper authorization, army units do not have printing machines to prepare leaflets that include the exact date and timing⎯4 p.m. (13:00 GMT)⎯by which civilians should complete their evacuation. Leaflets are typically brought by other specialized units to the frontline.
This raises the questions, could the leaflets have been part of an earlier war plans? Did Hochstein’s visit force a delay in the timing, but the change wasn’t communicated down to the unit responsible for distributing the leaflets?
Then on the following day, Tuesday September 17, approximately 3,000 pagers exploded simultaneously across Lebanon.
Is there a connection between the original timing of the leaflets and the detonation of the pagers?
The above two incidents suggest a serious misstep and could have possibly derailed the original Israeli war plans against Lebanon. In fact, these miscalculations may potentially become larger than Israel’s security screw-up on October 7, 2023.
Before arguing the points for this hypothesis, one must acknowledge that booby-trapping the pagers was possibly one of the most sophisticated espionage operations orchestrated by the Israeli Mossad; no less than the assassination of Ismail Hania in Tehran. Having stated the above, however, one might be surprised in concluding that as far reaching as this covert action was for the Israeli spies, in all likelihood, this was a failure.
The Israeli terrorist assault resulted in the killing of nine Lebanese, including a child, and injuring close to 3000 individuals. Despite what was reported in the managed Western media, many were innocent civilians, some were driving cars, while others were shopping in crowded markets.
In this attack, Israel did not aim to terrorize civilians only, they do that daily. More importantly, targeting the pagers intended to interrupt the communication channels for Resistance operatives, as well as the civilian infrastructure such as hospitals and civil defense. Therefore, for the above to achieve optimum effectiveness, such an operation would need to have taken place during the initial Israeli military attack, not on a normal afternoon in Lebanon. Hence, the relationship between the “unauthorized” leaflets ordering Lebanese civilians to evacuate by 4 p.m. September 16, and the flub of the exploding pagers precisely 24 hours later.
In essence, it appears that Israel had initially prepared to order the evacuation ahead of a planned military action on the 16th. At the same time, the pagers were programmed to detonate during the initial phase of the war, 24 hours later, to disrupt communication channels, create confusion and disarray in the midst of war.
However, the overextended Israeli army that failed in preventing the release of the evacuation leaflets on May 16, when the war was likely delayed. It also did not halt the premature detonation of the pagers on September 17. The last oversight, the second within 24 hours, may have resulted in a missed strategic opportunity for the Israeli army, and another blunder for the Israeli leadership.
Jamal Kanj is the author of Children of Catastrophe: Journey from a Palestinian Refugee Camp to America, and other books. He writes frequently on Arab world issues for various national and international commentaries.
So when or if israel surgically targets know subscribed ISLAMIC terrorists like Hezbollah that is terrorism . Wow -
Killing bin laden and his Islamic terrorist cronies must have terrorism too according to this post using slanted key words accusations as fact - and JUSTIFIED
Hezbollah and Hamas are beyond Islamic terrorists and beyond simple war crimes they are barbaric islamic terrorist monsters and the sooner they get out of Lebanon the better it will be for the Sunni and Christian communities of Lebanon and Lebanon itself which is bankrupt broken state - anything Iran touches turns to shit
You overlook the fact, as do many, that if it is agreed that Israel can summarily execute anyone, anywhere, anytime just because Israel has decided they are a terrorist, regardless of any proof or legal conviction, then you are saying anyone else can do the same.
If we see a wave of assassinations of Israelis can we take it that as a matter of accepting the principle of summary execution of anyone you want dead, that you would agree, executing Israelis would be equally valid.
Remember Israel calls anyone who opposes them and their occupation a terrorist and yet most people in the world consider Israel to be a terrorist state. By your criteria that gives anyone who chooses to do so the right to assassinate as many Israelis as they wish.
I happen to think that is a very dangerous and barbaric world and not one which most humans would ever support, including most Israelis.
Be careful what you wish for others because you are also wishing it for yourself.
Well it was not surgical and we only have Israel's word that they were known targets and Israel has a long history of lies. The Israeli policy is to seek to terrify the public/civilians into compliance. It does not work but that is the policy.
We know that most of the injured and dead were not those who could be Hezbollah operatives. We also know it was not surgically targeted because many others had the pagers like doctors, emergency workers.
We know children were killed and maimed. So your claims are ridiculous.
It was an attack which guaranteed civilian deaths and injury with no gaurantees of hitting Hezbollah operatives.
In addition, Hezbollah is assisting the Palestinians in their just fight for freedom so they are not terrorists but freedom fighters.
As to Osama Bin Laden, yes killing him was also terrorism. In a civilized world we have innocent until proven guilty so anyone assassinated without being convicted in a court of law has been murdered in an act of terrorism.
In addition, Bin Laden was a CIA operative, trained to work for them during the war in Aghanistan. Bin Laden also suffered serious kidney disease and probably died long before the Americans decided on their bit of theatre to claim they killed him.
Also, Bin Laden and Al Quaeda, a group set up by the CIA in Afghanistan, were blamed for 9/11 even though it was admitted the so-called terrorists were Saudis. And then the Americans flew a bunch of important Saudis out of the US, after 9.11 when there was a no-fly policy in place.
Things are rarely what they seem and the Israelis are not the only liars.
Iran is an ancient, sophisticated and quite brilliant culture, society and country. It has been trapped in fundamentalist Islam thanks to the American meddling, but its people are impressively clever, far cleverer than the made in a minute Israelis, and they will ultimately outwit the Ditzraeli terrorists.
Thanks for helping me clear all that up.
If Hamas was doing what it is doing when there is no occupation by Israel you would be correct.
Because Israel inflicts a bestial, sadistic and savage military colonial occupation on all of Palestine then Hamas are not terrorists but freedom fighters. It is the Israelis who are the terrorists.
It is the right of the Palestinians to take support from whoever offers it, including Iran, just as Israel claims that right.
Israelis will have no say in the dismantling of their State. It is crumbling already with an economy in ruins, half the colonists have gone back to where they came from and businesses are bankrupt.
You are deranged seriously
In what world do you call what Hamas did on Oct 7 as freedom fighters
Oh the cia ? Lol the Americans were helping afganis against the Soviet invasion - its a huge leap to say the evils of Al Qaeda developed years later who turned against any thing American and even Saudi Arabia itself and sept 11 itself was justified ( it wasn’t ) just like Oct 7 was not justified but radical lefties like you skewer it and say Islamic terrorism is not Islamic terrorism including the butchering and raping and mass murder ( not accidental killing in war ) was not only denied by you ( the radical ) but resistance and justified then deny it even happened when it’s all on camera footage by Islamic jihadi Palestinians / Hamas because you say ( under your skewered Hamas talking islamic jihadi pro Palestinians Jihadi talking points israel proper it’s all Palestine and Arabs can do anything they want to the Jewish state of Israel and it’s all resistance - you know how Radical hypocritical and deranged that sounds- plus you are flat wring and it’s irrelevant what you say and again ISRAEL ( PROPER ) EXISTS IN FACT AND LAW AS JEWISH STATE DESPITE YOUR DELUSIONAL BELIEF WHICH WONT CHANGE A THING
The Zionist state is a Jewish state
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then the Arab states should just dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
ISRAELIS AND THE JEWISH ZIONIST STATE OF JEWISH ISRAEL DECIDE WHO ITS RESIDENTS OR CITIZENS WILL BE NOT YOU
It’s simple the Zionist state IS a Jewish state - it’s a Jewish state in law and fact accepted by the modern western world since 1948 - its irrelevant what you think and other radical left cronies and Islamist jihadis like Palestinians jihadi terrorists and evil brutal Iranian regime think
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then tell the Arab states to dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas