They hated Jews for their religion first then they hated them just being Jewish like Hitler did
Now it’s clear that hate them for having a Jewish state -
You can deny all you want
The Hamas manifesto is clear just like the Arafat fake Palestinian identity created in 1960s
The 47 UN partook was for a Jewish state AND a additional Arab state ( not a Palestine ) - which Arabs rejected and went to war and lost…tough luck reality and expelled Jews ( Jordan did ) from Judea / Samaria
I think most sane people hate injustice, cruelty, bestial sadism, occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zionists and Jews for a century.
I do not happen to think any of that represents Judaism or real Jews but I recognise that Jews must stand up to reject and push to dismantle the Zionist state if they want to save their religion and their integrity.
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then tell the Arab states to dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
You must really hate Judaism and Jews if you believe Israel represents the religion and its followers.
I reject that anti-semitism. Zionist Israel has exploited too many gullible and not very bright Jews, and defamed the religion, but any understanding of Judaism makes it very clear it does not promote occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zionist Israel for nearly 80 years.
I would never condemn all Jews because of some Jewish fanatics and the lies of Israel, just as I would never condemn Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists for their fanatics.
Oh yes you only condemn the majority of Jews because they are Zionists as Israel is a nation state for the Jewish people ( Jewish majority ) and lie about everything - it is so Ahistorical what and deceptive what you say
You typically only quote the dissenting minority among Jews the radical left anti Zionists type Marxists who openly call for the end of the Jewish state - those are the voices you say “
Oh look as a Jew “ im an anti Zionist” doesn’t count as its feeble and irrelevant and - but at least dissenters are allowed to voice this be it half truths their nonsense or narrative that all radical left use but in Hezbollah and Hamas or PLO autonomy ruled Palestinian territory and many parts of Arab and Islamic nations you cannot even voice any dissenting voice without brutally being silenced as Palestinians are - who may want peace with Israel are by be in by PLO/ Fatah which also encourage terrorism pay for slay incentives / Islamic jihad in west bank and Gaza
None of those states commit the evil that Israel does. None of them are committing genocide. none of them are constantly attacking their neighbours. None of them have a history of bestial savagery which equals Israel.
American Surgeon Who Volunteered in Gaza Says IDF Snipers Shoot Toddlers
'No toddler gets shot twice by mistake,' said Dr. Mark Perlmutter
An American surgeon who volunteered in Gaza https://www.cbsnews.com/video/children-of-gaza/ in an interview that aired Sunday that Israeli snipers were purposely shooting Palestinian children, including toddlers.
“I had children who were shot twice,” said Dr. Mark Perlmutter, who said he was in Gaza at the end of April and the first couple weeks of May. “I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately and directly on the side of the head in the same child.”
In his interview, Perlmutter, vice president of the International College of Surgeons, said what he saw in Gaza was worse than all of the disaster zones he’s seen combined. “Forty mission trips, 30 years, Ground Zero, earthquakes. All of that combined doesn’t equal the level of carnage that I saw against civilians in just my first week in Gaza,” he said.
When asked if the civilians he saw wounded or killed were mostly children, Perlmutter said, “Almost exclusively children. I’ve never seen that before. Never seen that. I’ve seen more incinerated children than I’ve ever seen in my entire life combined. I’ve seen more shredded children in just the first week.”
Asked what he meant by “shredded” children, Perlmutter explained, “Missing body parts, being crushed by buildings, the greatest majority, or bomb explosions, the next greatest majority. We’ve taken shrapnel as big as my thumb out of eight-year-olds.”
Israel should NOT have tolerated at all being sent rockets from Gaza by Hamas for 20 years trying to kill its citizens - no neighbour would - hit the USA’ - not Canada not morrooco not anyone - killi
Even Tibetans don’t even do send rockets into China for 20 years lol and if they did they would be slaughtered and justified too - that’s why there is apparent peace lol ok righto
For heaven's sake, Gaza is not a neighbour, Occupied Palestine is not a neighbour. Israel rules all of Palestine including what is called the West Bank and the Gaza concentration camp.
They were attacking their sadistic and bestial occupiers and colonial rulers and that is their right in law.
TRUST ME iF THE US or Canada were doing to their native people what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians they would also be on the receiving end of rockets and a resistance militia.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS THE TIBETANS HAVE CITIZENSHIP AND ARE NOT LOCKED IN PRISON CANTONS AND CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND RAPED, TORTURED, MURDERED BY THEIR COLONISERS.
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
Your ignorance is supreme. The Chinese gave Tibetans citizenship and rights and they do not imprison them in concentration camps and cantons and rape, torture, murder them constantly.
If The US and Canada were doing to the native people of their countries what Israel does to the Palestinians I can assure you, the Indians would be bombing them too. The Mexicans would be helping them and Canadian Indians would support American Indians, and vice versa, in a just fight for freedom.
You have a comprehension problem as that’s not what i said for then you to then demonstrate your double standard bigoted ignorant one sided false analogy twisted demonstrable bias yet again- and false fraudulent definitions that is typical of radical left Anti Zionist ( anti semites who whether they deny it or not deranged anti Zionism in this context is cover for anti semitism clearly too ) anti Israel types like you. ( they are fringe minority too among western civilised governments that goodness).
Even so, yes I’m sure Tibetans loved being annexed yeah with the Dalai Lama fleeing yes they loved it ( the slaughter too ) and you minimise that and amplify your one sided anti Israel narrative. Tibetans I’m sure wanted their own state when Arab Palestinians rejected theirs
The israel withdrew from Gaza a defacto state of Gaza ( pre 1967 borders if Gaza ) lovey with autonomy rule by Hamas after throwing Fatah members off buildings - it was 20 year launch of missiles that caused israel and Egypt to rightly blockade (but not enough clearly )
You are such a racist bigot deranged anti Israel ( anti Zionist - anti Semite ). Yes I use your fraudulent bogus definition of racist against you because you selectively say Israel proper is a racist state when being Jewish is not even a race and even have Arab judges and doctors etc and can practise their religion etc. You can continue with your double standard blood libels nevertheless when know what you are. Israel was set up as Jewish state and has Arabs, Druze and etc Ethiopian Africans etc ANF Muslims are free to practise their religion and Israel has even accepted non Jewish refugees from other countries that are not hostile to it… tell me what the any potential Palestinian state in area a and b or Gaza have including the defacto Arab Palestine state of Jordan ? No Jews or no Jews allowed in Gaza by Hamas after Israel withdrew - no Synagogues in Gaza ? Apartheid anyone
And Hebron arab Palestinian city has god forbid paltry 1100 Jews
Go smoke a crack pipe and continue to peddle your deranged Anti Zionist narrative as it is your right. Anti Zionism is a scourge.
Hebron is in Occupied Palestine. Jews are there as illegal colonists. Well all of it is Occupied Palestine.
How many Palestinian Christians and Muslims are living in the illegal Jewish colonial settlements? None. And those settlements are on Palestinian land.
And yet only 1100 Jews live in Hebron wow ? There should be more jews right in autonomy ruled Pa Hebron right ?? even if the small Jewish part is shared or controlled by IDF for security reasons. The majority is governed by PA.. Security wouldn’t be needed if Jews were allowed freely in a potential future Palestine state ( rather than insisting no Jews allowed - which makes the other call for a binational state a deceptive ploy by Arab Palestinian leaders as we all know what that would mean ( despite the foolishness of utopian Marxist freaks ) - Islamic Arab ruled states and a real risk of civil war ( like the fucked up Syria , Yemen and Lebanon etc and like most Islamic Arab states the end of democracy where Jews would be subjected at a given chance like as Dhimmi again - and a kin to a second Holocaust potentially.
We should just rely on the blind faith of the radical left freaks to preach their solution that Israeli Jews will be fine under Islamic rule - hence why the 1947 UN partition and prior - the 1937 peel commission which gave more to Arab state vs Jewish state split - and Arabs rejected..
The Westbank so called belligerent occupation is symptom due to Islamic terrorism and since the second intifada terrorism wave after Arafat rejected after the most left wing Israeli govt offered a legitimate land swap for peace deals. Area c must always be part of Israel for legitimate security reasons as the risk is to great as weapons smuggled in by Iran proxies via Jordan borders etc by radical Islamic terrorist jihadi is great for Israel.. if Gaza couldn’t work when israel withdrew then the region will remain an autonomous rule with potential future improvements to only non jihadi Arabs - not ones that are jihadis terrorists ( any murder on both sides must be prosecuted and Israel should not allow Islamic jihadi to kill Palestinians either for wanting peace with Israel ether- they are the ones that could be given residency status in Israel or remain part of future split confederation . That’s entirely Israel’s right as it is there right to negotiate with willing partners not Islamic Arab terrorist whose sole self determined goal along with Marxist type hypocritical double standard freaks want to see an end of the Jewish state of Israel.
The PA rules nothing. If the PA ruled Hebron or anything it would be the PA which issued ID cards. Israel as the military colonial ruler issues ID cards to every single Palestinian.
The PA is just a stooge, a player in Israel’s colonial game.
And some analysts believe that if Abbas / Palestinian authority held elections inside his Arab run quarters within Palestinian Westbank then Hamas would likely be voted in and if stupidly Israel IDF withdrew from area c ( which was part of Oslo to stay in part until real peace can be established to protect ISREAL security ) then Westbank ( a so called potential part of the Palestinian state would be used as a bigger launch war or Islamic terrorism launch pad to ( than Gaza actually was ) to destroy Israel
Clear case in point when the most left wing Israeli government Barak ( not Netanyahu ) offered Arafat a legitimate offer of over 90 % of West Bank to be Included as part of an official independant Arab nation state of Palestine along side Jewish nation state of Israel - Arafat still rejected it as he wanted all of Israel instead thar even the senior member of the Saudi ruling family said that Arafat s rejection was not only stupid but criminal. What followed after Arafat rejection of the Arab state offer land for peace deal was Arab Palestinian Arab Marxism terrorism and Passover massacres and bus bombings and other horrific acts on Israeli / Israeli Jewish citizens by Islamic jihadi with suicidal terrorism for 5 years including by Hamas then and Islamic jihadi mainly emanating from the Westbank into Israel proper which Israel build a security wall to help protect its citizens - we saw then what happened and it would happen ten fold if Hamas actually took power in the Westbank Region they would attempt bigger acts of Oct 7 style attacks into Tel Aviv itself ( big seek peace as a seperate Arab state as 2000 offer was a perfect example and look
Don’t cry then israel has a right to rule it all if you don’t want PA to rule by autonomy unless you want Hamas who ruled by autonomy ruled Gaza instead - but they are getting a beating and they have done fuck all but kill their own by starting a war it cannot win in their destroyed state that has resorts and hotels prior to Oct 7 and could have been 1090 times better if Hamas built up and didn’t steal billions for themselves hiding in Qatar and then building tunnels for themselves to have shelter from war attacks rather than allow other Gazans shelter too
Oh you talk so much gobble de gook fuck a duck then Hamas the good guys are not stooges - they are big and tough who throw gay people off buildings and throw Farah members off buildings and drill screws Inti their own children finger nails
And you talk about peace so PA are just stooges so they must not talk to Israel who is the power on their state called Israel who have lived their for 75 years at least since the founding of Israel as a state from the colonial powers of Ottoman empire and British empires etc etc
Oh you talk so much gobble de gook fuck a duck then Hamas the good guys are not stooges - they are big and tough who throw gay people off buildings and throw Farah members off buildings and drill screws Inti their own children finger nails
And you talk about peace so PA are just stooges so they must not talk to Israel who is the power on their state called Israel who have lived their for 75 years at least since the founding of Israel as a state from the colonial powers of Ottoman empire and British empires etc etc
YEARS AGO I had a friendly discussion with Ariel Sharon.
I told him: "I am first of all an Israeli. After that I am a Jew."
He responded heatedly: "I am first of all a Jew, and only after that an Israeli!"
That may look like an abstract debate. But in reality, this is the question that lies at the heart of all our basic problems. It is the core of the crisis which is now rending Israel apart.
THE IMMEDIATE cause of this crisis is the law that was adopted in great haste last week by the rightist Knesset majority. It is entitled "Basic Law: Israel the Nation State of the Jewish People".
This is a constitutional law. When Israel was founded during the war of 1948, it did not adopt a constitution. There was a problem with the Orthodox religious community, which made an agreed formula impossible. Instead David Ben-Gurion read out a "Declaration of Independence", which announced that "we are founding the Jewish State, namely the State of Israel".
The declaration did not become law. The Supreme Court adopted its principles without a legal basis. The new document, however, is a binding law.
So what is new about the new law, which at a first glance looks like a copy of the declaration? It contains two important omissions: the declaration spoke of a "Jewish and Democratic" state, and promised full equality between all its citizens, without regard to religion, ethnicity or sex.
All this has disappeared. No democracy. No equality. A state of the Jews, for the Jews, by the Jews.
THE FIRST to cry out were the Druze.
The Druze are a small and close-knit minority. They send their sons to serve in the Israeli army and police and consider themselves "blood brothers". Suddenly they have been robbed of all their legal rights and sense of belonging.
Are they Arabs or not? Muslims or not? That depends on who is speaking, where and what for. They threaten to demonstrate, to leave the army and generally rebel. Binyamin Netanyahu tries to bribe them, but they are a proud community.
However, the Druze are not the main point. The new law completely ignores the 1.8 million Arabs who are Israeli citizens, including the Bedouin and Christians. (No one even thinks about the hundreds of thousands of European Christians, who immigrated with their Jewish spouses and other relatives, mainly from Russia.)
The Arabic language with all its splendor, which until now was one of the two official languages, was demoted to a mere "special status", whatever that means.
(All this applies to Israel proper, not to the 5 million or so Arabs in the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip, who have no rights at all.)
Netanyahu is defending this law like a lion against mounting criticism from within. He has publicly declared that all the Jewish critics of the law are leftists and traitors (synonyms), "who have forgotten what it is to be Jewish".
AND THAT is really the point.
Years ago, my friends and I asked the Supreme Court to change the "nationality" entry in our identity cards, from "Jewish" to “Israeli". The courts refused, stating that there is no Israeli nation. The official register recognizes almost a hundred nations, but not an Israeli one.
This curious situation started with the birth of Zionism in the late 19th century. It was a Jewish movement, designed to solve the Jewish Question. The settlers in Palestine were Jewish. The whole project was closely connected with Jewish tradition.
But once a second generation of settlers grew up, they felt uneasy about being just Jewish, like Jews in Brooklyn or Krakow. They felt that they were something new, different, special.
The most extreme were a small group of young poets and artists, who in 1941 formed an organization nicknamed "the Canaanites", who proclaimed that we were a new nation, a Hebrew one. In their enthusiasm they went to extremes, declaring that we have nothing to do with Jews abroad, and that there was no Arab nation – Arabs were just Hebrews who had adopted Islam.
Then there came the news of the Holocaust, the Canaanites were forgotten and everybody became remorseful super-Jews.
But not really. Without a conscious decision, the popular language of my generation adopted a clear distinction: Jewish Diaspora and Hebrew agriculture, Jewish history and Hebrew battalions, Jewish religion and Hebrew language.
When the British were here, I took part in dozens of demonstrations shouting "Free Immigration! Hebrew State!". I don't remember a single demonstration where anyone shouted "Jewish State!"
So why does the Declaration of Independence speak of a "Jewish State"? Simple: it was alluding to the UN resolution which decreed the partition of Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish state. The founders simply stated that we are now setting up this Jewish state.
Vladimir Jabotinsky, the legendary forefather of the Likud, wrote an anthem declaring "A Hebrew is the son of a prince".
ACTUALLY THIS is a natural process. A nation is a territorial unit. It is conditioned by its landscape, climate, history, neighbors.
When the British settled in America, they felt after some time that they were different from the British they had left behind in their island. They became Americans. The British convicts sent to the Far East became Australians. In two World Wars, Australians rushed to the rescue of Britain, but they are not British. They are a proud new nation. So are Canadians, New Zealanders, and Argentinians. And so are we.
Or would have been, if official ideology had allowed it. What has happened?
First of all, there was the huge immigration from the Arab world and Eastern Europe in the early fifties – for every one Hebrew there were two, three, four new immigrants, who considered themselves Jews.
Then there was the need for money and political support from the Jews abroad, especially in the US. These, while considering themselves full and true Americans (try and say they are not, you bloody anti-Semite!) are proud to have a Jewish State somewhere.
And then there was (and is!) a rigorous government policy of Judaization of everything. The present government has reached new heights. Active – even frantic – government actions try to Judaize education, culture, even sports. Orthodox Jews, a small minority in Israel, exert immense influence. Their votes in the Knesset are essential to the Netanyahu government.
WHEN THE State of Israel was founded, the term Hebrew was exchanged for the term Israeli. Hebrew is now only a language.
So is there an Israeli nation? Of course there is. Is there a Jewish nation? Of course there isn't.
Jews are members of an ethnic-religious people, dispersed throughout the world and belonging to many nations, with a strong feeling of affinity with Israel. We, in this country, belong to the Israeli nation, whose Hebrew members are part of the Jewish people.
It is crucial that we recognize this. It decides our outlook. Quite literally. Are we looking towards Jewish centers like New York, London, Paris and Berlin, or are we looking towards our neighbors, Damascus, Beirut and Cairo? Are we part of a region inhabited by Arabs? Do we realize that making peace with these Arabs, and especially the Palestinians, is the main task of this generation?
We are not temporary tenants in this country, ready at any moment to go and join our brother and sister Jews around the globe. We belong to this country and are going to live here for many generations to come, and therefore we must become peaceful neighbors in this region, which I called, 75 years ago, "the Semitic Region".
The new Nation Law, by its clearly semi-fascist nature, shows us how urgent this debate is. We must decide who we are, what we want, where we belong. Otherwise we will be condemned to a permanent state of impermanence.
ISRAEL DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE 14 MAY 1948 - WHICH IS CELEBRATED BY JEWISH ISRAELIS AND NON JEWS ALIKE
“ IT DECLARED THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ‘ JEWISH STATE ‘ IN ERETZ - ISRAEL TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL…
SO WHOEVER SAYS OTHERWISE IS LYING ITS A JEWISH STATE CALLED ISRAEL
THAT DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE WAS CODIFIED ANYWAY IN LEGISLATION ( IT WASNT NECESSARY AS IT WAS A JEWISH STATE IN ITS INDEPENDANCE AND IT WENT FURTHER IN ISRAELI LAW 2018
It relation to criticism of Israel i said it is not anti semitic. So you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
ANTI ZIONISM IS ANTI SEMITISM THOUGH IN THIS CONTEXT
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
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Last week the world watched as the terrorist army Hezbollah was hit by an attack that was equal parts debilitating and humiliating. On Tuesday, September 17, the special pagers carried by Hezbollah operatives suddenly exploded. Then, on Wednesday, their walkie talkies literally blew up.
Although Israel has not claimed responsibility for the operation, in the event they did carry out this historically unprecedented strike, it was entirely justified and in full accordance with international law.
It is not surprising that it did not take long for the usual chorus of anti-Israel politicians and pundits (https://x.com/KenRoth/status/1836428530730590662) — those who only remember International Humanitarian Law (IHL) whenever they think it might hurt the Jewish State — to find some obscure provision, divorced from context, that they might deceptively latch onto and accuse Israel of violating, knowing full well that the uneducated armchair ‘experts’ who blindly follow them would thoughtlessly amplify their claims, muddy the waters of good vs. evil, and somehow make Israel the bad guy again.
This time, the frenzied cries centered around Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II (https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/ccw-amended-protocol-ii-1996) to the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which prohibits the use of booby-traps in certain circumstances. Pseudo-academics like Kenneth Roth (https://x.com/KenRoth/status/1836428530730590662) could not wait to tell their breathless adherents that IHL unequivocally “prohibits the use of booby traps” — even though it is obvious that if booby traps are prohibited in certain circumstances, they must be permitted in others.
For the record, this is one of those permitted times, and here, with citations, is why.
First, it is important to establish that communication devices ordered by terrorists, issued to terrorists, for terrorist purposes, do not count as harmless civilian objects. Under Article 52 (https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-52) of the Additional Protocols to Geneva Convention I, the communication devices that a designated foreign terrorist organization issues to its operatives are legitimate military targets, and this should not be controversial. The fact that civilians may also use cell phones does not mean that you cannot target a terrorist call center.
Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II provides certain restrictions as to the use of booby traps and other similar devices. Paragraph 1 lists certain categories of objects — religious objects, children’s toys, etc. — for which it is prohibited to use booby traps in all circumstances. The devices in question do not fall under any of those categories.
The prohibition is intended to prevent the production of large quantities of dangerous objects that can be scattered around and are likely to be attractive to civilians, especially children.
It has nothing to do with communications devices procured by terrorists for terrorists, devices that were not specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material, and were instead modified to detonate once they clearly became military objects.
Paragraph 3 of Article 7 reminds us that even when permissible any such weapon must be placed “in the close vicinity of a military objective.” It is hard to imagine a more surgically precise procedure than the destruction of personal devices that were (literally) held by terrorists.
Analyzing the legality of a military operation also requires factoring in the principles of necessity, distinction, and proportionality. The principle of necessity permits actions necessary to accomplish a legitimate military purpose. In this instance, in a single operation, an entire enemy army was significantly impacted, and not only physically – the attack also exposed the Hezbollah network, in Lebanon but also throughout the Middle East where Hezbollah agents or affiliates were carrying these specific Hezbollah issued pagers. The devastating psychological impact also cannot be discounted; Hezbollah can no longer trust their own equipment, cannot communicate (https://www.dailywire.com/news/irans-terrorist-irgc-orders-members-to-stop-using-communication-devices) (ironically, they are rumored to have switched to pagers out of concerns Israel was monitoring their comms!), and will have to change many elements of their operations with the potential to make further mistakes that can then be exploited.
The principle of distinction requires combatants to distinguish between civilians and military objectives during armed conflict. Here, the attack specifically targeted combatants, members of the Hezbollah army who had received specific Hezbollah equipment that is usually kept on their person. The law does not require perfect accuracy, which is impossible, and that leads to the principle of proportionality: Would such an attack be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects or a combination thereof which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage that is anticipated In this case, not a chance. Recall that Hezbollah has been bombing Israel incessantly for almost a year. In a swift and defensive maneuver — fully legal under Article 51 (https://legal.un.org/repertory/art51.shtml) of the UN Charter — Israel (allegedly) immobilized a large segment of a terrorist organization actively hellbent on the genocidal elimination of the country.
Reports say that a few civilians, including two children, were tragically hurt as well. Innocent civilians getting hurt is absolutely tragic, but not in any way unlawful or Israel’s fault.
The truth is that the entire booby trap framework of analysis is wrong. IF Israel did commit these actions, then it was perhaps the finest and cleanest act of lawful sabotage in military history. As the ICRC explains (https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/saboteur):
Sabotage is generally the work of individuals or small formations operating in enemy-controlled territory and taking advantage of clandestinity, surprise, and ruses of war. It is generally carried out with great precision and therefore does not usually harm the civilian population. The targets of sabotage must form part of the enemy’s material infrastructure, that is, they must be military objectives. To sum up, sabotage against the enemy is a lawful operation provided the legal rules for the choice of targets and the methods and means employed are respected.
To quote one actual international humanitarian law expert, Eugene Kontorovitch:
Those protesting the attack on Hezbollah cell phones would have been crying over bombs placed on Nazi Germany’s train tracks.
er by neutering (in some cases literally) hundreds of the terrorists who had been indiscriminately attacking them for months — your problem is not with Israel’s actions under international law; it is with Israel’s very existence.
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John Spencer is chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute (MWI) at West Point and host of the ”
And yet only 1100 Jews live in Hebron wow ? There should be more jews right in autonomy ruled Pa Hebron right ?? even if the small Jewish part is shared or controlled by IDF for security reasons. The majority is governed by PA.. Security wouldn’t be needed if Jews were allowed freely in a potential future Palestine state ( rather than insisting no Jews allowed - which makes the other call for a binational state a deceptive ploy by Arab Palestinian leaders as we all know what that would mean ( despite the foolishness of utopian ) - Islamic Arab ruled state and a real risk of civil war ( like the fucked up Syria , Yemen and Lebanon etc and like most Islamic Arab states the end of democracy where Jews would be subjected at a given chance like as Dhimmi - a kin to a second Holocaust
We got rely on the blind faith of the radical left freaks to preach that Israeli Jews will be fine under Islamic rule - hence why the 1947 UN partition and prior - the 1937 peel commission which gave more to Arab state vs Jewish state split - and Arabs rejected..
The Westbank so called belligerent occupation is symptom due to Islamic terrorism and since the second intifada terrorism wave after Arafat rejected after the most left wing Israeli govt offered a legitimate land swap for peace deals. Area c must always be part of Israel for legitimate security reasons as the risk is to great as weapons smuggled in by Iran proxies via Jordan borders etc by radical Islamic terrorist jihadi is great for Israel.. if Gaza couldn’t work when israel withdrew then the region will remain an autonomous rule with potential future improvements to only non jihadi Arabs - not ones that are jihadis terrorists ( any murder on both sides must be prosecuted and Israel should not allow Islamic jihadi to kill Palestinians either for wanting peace with Israel ether- they are the ones that could be given residency status in Israel or remain part of future split confederation . That’s entirely Israel’s right as it is there right to negotiate with willing partners not terrorists.
Let us not be truly stupid. Israel rules Hebron because Israel is the military colonial occupation ruler of all of Occupied Palestine. There are only Jews as illegal colonists in Hebron because the Israeli Government allows and makes it happen.
Israel processes and issues an ID card to every single Palestinian including those in the Gaza concentration camp which clearly shows Israel is the colonial ruler. they hand them to the stooge PA to pass around but no Palestinian gets an ID card unless it is processed and issued by the colonial regime.
Let us NOT be deluded with the radical left anti Zionist ( anti semite ) freaks repeating the same false narrative that the israel the Jewish state that was declared legally in fact and law in 1947 by the majority of western world fictitiously belongs to another state when no independant state called Palestine ever existed. ( a state offer was even rejected lol in actual fact ).
Furthermore even if ( and irrespective of ) a colonialist state definition for Israel is true ( which is isn’t -it’s a bogus flawed narrative entirely ) then once again israel exists in fact in law when it was declared a Jewish nation state in 1947 by the majority of the western world.
Who is it a colonialist state for - which imperial power ? Europe ? Uk - british ? Russia ? Lol who or which imperial power was it colonising for ? Russia or ? It was de colonising getting away from British empire who chopped and changed. A small national Jewish group was acting on its own behalf ( with its historic Jewish homeland ) not any external imperial power. again israel exists as nation state now since 1947 ( whether you agree or not with the nature of the fact it had it founding origins in 1947 in law and fact..
Or Saudi Arabia ? That’s right Saudi Arabia was founded in Islamic murder like Pakistan wow
Uri Avnery was one of the very few Israelis with conscience and intelligence. He died before the true bestial and sadistic savagery of the Israelis was unleashed.
The Day of Shame
19/05/18
ON BLOODY MONDAY this week, when the number of Palestinian killed and wounded was rising by the hour, I asked myself: what would I have done if I had been a youngster of 15 in the Gaza Strip?
My answer was, without hesitation: I would have stood near the border fence and demonstrated, risking my life and limbs every minute.
How am I so sure?
Simple: I did the same when I was 15.
I was a member of the National Military Organization (the "Irgun"), an armed underground group labeled "terrorist".
Palestine was at the time under British occupation (called "mandate"). In May 1939, the British enacted a law limiting the right of Jews to acquire land. I received an order to be at a certain time at a certain spot near the sea shore of Tel Aviv in order to take part in a demonstration. I was to wait for a trumpet signal.
The trumpet sounded and we started the march down Allenby Road, then the city's main street. Near the main synagogue, somebody climbed the stairs and delivered an inflammatory speech. Then we marched on, to the end of the street, where the offices of the British administration were located. There we sang the national anthem, “Hatikvah”, while some adult members set fire to the offices.
Suddenly several lorries carrying British soldiers screeched to a halt, and a salvo of shots rang out. The British fired over our heads, and we ran away.
Remembering this event 79 years later, it crossed my mind that the boys of Gaza are greater heroes then we were then. They did not run away. They stood their ground for hours, while the death toll rose to 61 and the number of those wounded by live ammunition to some 1500, in addition to 1000 affected by gas.
ON THAT day, most TV stations in Israel and abroad split their screen. On the right, the events in Gaza. On the left, the inauguration of the US Embassy in Jerusalem.
In the 136th year of the Zionist-Palestinian war, that split screen is the picture of reality: the celebration in Jerusalem and the bloodbath in Gaza. Not on two different planets, not in two different continents, but hardly an hour's drive apart.
The celebration in Jerusalem started as a silly event. A bunch of suited males, inflated with self-importance, celebrating - what, exactly? The symbolic movement of an office from one town to another.
Jerusalem is a major bone of contention. Everybody knows that there will be no peace, not now, not ever, without a compromise there. For every Palestinian, every Arab, every Muslim throughout the world, it is unthinkable to give up Jerusalem. It is from there, according to Muslim tradition, that the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven, after tying his horse to the rock that is now the center of the holy places. After Mecca and Medina, Jerusalem is the third holiest place of Islam.
For the Jews, of course, Jerusalem means the place where, some 2000 years ago, there stood the temple built by King Herod, a cruel half-Jew. A remnant of an outer wall still stands there and is revered as the "Western Wall". It used to be called the "Wailing Wall", and is the holiest place of the Jews.
Statesmen have tried to square the circle and find a solution. The 1947 United Nations committee that decreed the partition of Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish state – a solution enthusiastically endorsed by the Jewish leadership – suggested separating Jerusalem from both states and constituting it as a separate unit within what was supposed to be in fact a kind of confederation.
The war of 1948 resulted in a divided city, the Eastern part was occupied by the Arab side (the Kingdom of Jordan) and the Western part became the capital of Israel. (My modest part was to fight in the battle for the road.)
No one liked the division of the city. So my friends and I devised a third solution, which by now has become a world consensus: keep the city united on the municipal level and divide it politically: the West as capital of the State of Israel, the East as capital of the State of Palestine. The leader of the local Palestinians, Faisal al-Husseini, the scion of a most distinguished local Palestinian family and the son of a national hero who was killed not far from my position in the same battle, endorsed this formula publicly. Yasser Arafat gave me his tacit consent.
If President Donald Trump had declared West Jerusalem the capital of Israel and moved his embassy there, almost nobody would have got excited. By omitting the word "West", Trump ignited a fire. Perhaps without realizing what he was doing, and probably not giving a damn.
For me, the moving of the US embassy means nothing. It is a symbolic act that does not change reality. If and when peace does come, no one will care about some stupid act of a half-forgotten US president. Inshallah.
SO THERE they were, this bunch of self-important nobodies, Israelis, Americans and those in-between, having their little festival, while rivers of blood were flowing in Gaza. Human beings were killed by the dozen and wounded by the thousand.
The ceremony started as a cynical meeting, which quickly became grotesque, and ended in being sinister. Nero fiddling while Rome was burning.
When the last hug was exchanged and the last compliment paid (especially to the graceful Ivanka), Gaza remained what it was – a huge concentration camp with severely overcrowded hospitals, lacking medicines and food, drinkable water and electricity.
A ridiculous world-wide propaganda campaign was let loose to counter the world-wide condemnation. For example: the story that the terrorist Hamas had compelled the Gazans to go and demonstrate – as if anyone could be compelled to risk their life in a demonstration.
Or: the story that Hamas paid every demonstrator 50 dollars. Would you risk your life for 50 dollars? Would anybody?
Or: The soldiers had no choice but to kill them, because they were storming the border fence. Actually, no one did so – the huge concentration of Israeli army brigades would have easily prevented it without shooting.
Almost forgotten was a small news item from the days before: Hamas had discreetly offered a Hudna for ten years. A Hudna is a sacred armistice, never to be broken. The Crusaders, our remote predecessors, had many Hudnas with their Arab enemies during their 200-year stay here.
Israeli leaders immediately rejected the offer.
SO WHY were the soldiers ordered to kill? It is the same logic that has animated countless occupation regimes throughout history: make the "natives" so afraid that they will give up. Alas, the results have almost always been the very opposite: the oppressed have become more hardened, more resolute. This is happening now.
Bloody Monday may well be seen in future as the day when the Palestinians regained their national pride, their will to stand up and fight for their independence.
Strangely, the next day – the main day of the planned protest, Naqba Day - only two demonstrators were killed. Israeli diplomats abroad, facing world-wide indignation, had probably sent home SOS messages. Clearly the Israeli army had changed its orders. Non-lethal means were used and sufficed.
MY CONSCIENCE does not allow me to conclude this without some self-criticism.
I would have expected that all of Israel's renowned writers would publish a thundering joint condemnation while the shooting was still going on. It did not happen.
The political "opposition" was contemptible. No word from the Labor party. No word from Ya'ir Lapid. The new leader of the Meretz party, Tamar Sandberg, did at least boycott the Jerusalem celebration. Labor and Lapid did not even do that.
I would have expected that the dozens of our brave peace organizations would unite in a dramatic act of condemnation, an act that would arouse the world. It did not happen. Perhaps they were in a state of shock.
The next day, the excellent boys and girls of the peace groups demonstrated opposite the Likud office in Tel Aviv. Some 500 took part. Far, far from the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated some years ago against the price of cottage cheese.
In short: we did not do our duty. I accuse myself as much as I accuse everybody else.
We must prepare at once for the next atrocity. We must organize for mass action now!
BUT WHAT topped everything was the huge machine of brain-washing that was set in motion. For many years I have not experienced anything like it.
Almost all the so-called "military correspondents" acted like army propaganda agents. Day by day they helped the army to spread lies and falsifications. The public had no alternative but to believe every word. Nobody told them otherwise.
The same is true for almost all other means of communication, program presenters, announcers and correspondents. They willingly became government liars. Probably many of them were ordered to do so by their bosses. Not a glorious chapter.
After the day of blood, when the army was faced with world condemnation and had to stop shooting ("only" killing two unarmed demonstrators) all Israeli media were united in declaring this a great Israeli victory.
Israel had to open the crossings and send food and medicines to Gaza. Egypt had to open its Gaza crossing and accept many hundreds of wounded for operations and other treatment.
Declaration of Independence for Israel was and is its founding as Israel the Jewish state in 1948 which is celebrated yearly ( Jewish nation state is Zionism THATS what Zionism is Jewish nation state )
Whether some radical left ( Jews or otherwise ) disagree with it - is irrelevant
Codified in legislation went further again in 2018 what the independence of declaration in 1948 was and is a Jewish state within ( the historical British mandate of non state called Palestine for indigenous Jews and Jews seperate to Arab state split within -.Jordan Arab state was formed too - with Islamic and no Jewish religion or Jews even allowed )
And yes and Islamic jihad are not sane that’s all what Hamas does against its won and how the want to destroy Jewish state and replace it with Islamic caliphate -
Wars now started by Hamas is horrible and like any war it would be a miracle if no civilians especially with Hamas strategy to shoot from civilian areas ( another war crime )
You are flogging a dead horse. It is irrelevant what Hamas does as part of the Palestinian Resistance because they are the victims and Israel is the aggressor.
And if the Jewish state is destroyed and an Islamic state replaces it and treats people as the Jews have done I will be condemning that equally. However, Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people and how they run their country is their business.
Given the fact the Palestinians are an ancient, cultured, sophisticated and well educated people I do not foresee an Islamic State when it is free.
The facts are against you. This war was started by Zionists and Jews a century ago. All fault, all blame, all responsibility is with Zionists, Israelis and Jews and their supporters.
And if the Palestinian Resistance fighting their evil oppressors is a war crime then you are saying the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto committed a war crime resisting their evil oppressors. I doubt many people would agree with you on that one.
Exploding Pagers in Lebanon, Another Israeli Terrorism Blunder?
Jamal Kanj
Benjamin Netanyahu’s security cabinet has approved a plan to wage a war on Lebanon under the pretext of returning Israeli settlers to their colonies in the north part of historical Palestine.
Historically, the Israeli government does not usually discuss its military plans in the public arena. The security cabinet meeting, initially scheduled for Sunday, was delayed to Monday until after the arrival of American envoy, Amos Hochstein. Following their meeting, Israeli Prime Minister told Hochstein thanks for U.S. support, but Israel “will do what is necessary” for the return of the Israeli settlers to the “Jewish only” colonies located along the borders with Lebanon
According to Israeli sources, the Biden administration wanted to avoid a broader regional conflict that might involve the Resistance in Lebanon, Yemen and Iran, at least until after the U.S. elections in November. However, all indications suggest that Netanyahu is resisting the American demands, and even disregarding the opinion of his own war minister who does not believe it’s the right time to expand the war. Netanyahu’s preparations for the war could also include dismissing Yaov Gallant and replacing him with Gideon Sa’ar from the New Hope Jewish racist party. This prompted Biden to send Hochstein to warn the Israeli prime minister of dangerous consequence if he moves ahead and dismisses Gallant.
The political posturing and the unusual public nature of these discussions—potential dismissals of a minister, and talk of military action—suggests that a decision to launch a war against Lebanon may have been imminent. Furthermore, the infighting within the Israeli government appears to have caused confusion or disorganization exhibited by “unapproved” actions taken by Israeli military units along the Lebanese border.
As an example, on September 16, leaflets in Arabic were dropped in South Lebanon ordering residents to leave their homes and warning that civilians who remain become legitimate Israeli targets. But shortly afterward, the Israeli military announced that no official evacuation order had been issued and that the leaflets were distributed without proper authorization.
Besides the hollow excuse for a lack of proper authorization, army units do not have printing machines to prepare leaflets that include the exact date and timing⎯4 p.m. (13:00 GMT)⎯by which civilians should complete their evacuation. Leaflets are typically brought by other specialized units to the frontline.
This raises the questions, could the leaflets have been part of an earlier war plans? Did Hochstein’s visit force a delay in the timing, but the change wasn’t communicated down to the unit responsible for distributing the leaflets?
Then on the following day, Tuesday September 17, approximately 3,000 pagers exploded simultaneously across Lebanon.
Is there a connection between the original timing of the leaflets and the detonation of the pagers?
The above two incidents suggest a serious misstep and could have possibly derailed the original Israeli war plans against Lebanon. In fact, these miscalculations may potentially become larger than Israel’s security screw-up on October 7, 2023.
Before arguing the points for this hypothesis, one must acknowledge that booby-trapping the pagers was possibly one of the most sophisticated espionage operations orchestrated by the Israeli Mossad; no less than the assassination of Ismail Hania in Tehran. Having stated the above, however, one might be surprised in concluding that as far reaching as this covert action was for the Israeli spies, in all likelihood, this was a failure.
The Israeli terrorist assault resulted in the killing of nine Lebanese, including a child, and injuring close to 3000 individuals. Despite what was reported in the managed Western media, many were innocent civilians, some were driving cars, while others were shopping in crowded markets.
In this attack, Israel did not aim to terrorize civilians only, they do that daily. More importantly, targeting the pagers intended to interrupt the communication channels for Resistance operatives, as well as the civilian infrastructure such as hospitals and civil defense. Therefore, for the above to achieve optimum effectiveness, such an operation would need to have taken place during the initial Israeli military attack, not on a normal afternoon in Lebanon. Hence, the relationship between the “unauthorized” leaflets ordering Lebanese civilians to evacuate by 4 p.m. September 16, and the flub of the exploding pagers precisely 24 hours later.
In essence, it appears that Israel had initially prepared to order the evacuation ahead of a planned military action on the 16th. At the same time, the pagers were programmed to detonate during the initial phase of the war, 24 hours later, to disrupt communication channels, create confusion and disarray in the midst of war.
However, the overextended Israeli army that failed in preventing the release of the evacuation leaflets on May 16, when the war was likely delayed. It also did not halt the premature detonation of the pagers on September 17. The last oversight, the second within 24 hours, may have resulted in a missed strategic opportunity for the Israeli army, and another blunder for the Israeli leadership.
Jamal Kanj is the author of Children of Catastrophe: Journey from a Palestinian Refugee Camp to America, and other books. He writes frequently on Arab world issues for various national and international commentaries.
So when or if israel surgically targets know subscribed ISLAMIC terrorists like Hezbollah that is terrorism . Wow -
Killing bin laden and his Islamic terrorist cronies must have terrorism too according to this post using slanted key words accusations as fact - and JUSTIFIED
Hezbollah and Hamas are beyond Islamic terrorists and beyond simple war crimes they are barbaric islamic terrorist monsters and the sooner they get out of Lebanon the better it will be for the Sunni and Christian communities of Lebanon and Lebanon itself which is bankrupt broken state - anything Iran touches turns to shit
You overlook the fact, as do many, that if it is agreed that Israel can summarily execute anyone, anywhere, anytime just because Israel has decided they are a terrorist, regardless of any proof or legal conviction, then you are saying anyone else can do the same.
If we see a wave of assassinations of Israelis can we take it that as a matter of accepting the principle of summary execution of anyone you want dead, that you would agree, executing Israelis would be equally valid.
Remember Israel calls anyone who opposes them and their occupation a terrorist and yet most people in the world consider Israel to be a terrorist state. By your criteria that gives anyone who chooses to do so the right to assassinate as many Israelis as they wish.
I happen to think that is a very dangerous and barbaric world and not one which most humans would ever support, including most Israelis.
Be careful what you wish for others because you are also wishing it for yourself.
Well it was not surgical and we only have Israel's word that they were known targets and Israel has a long history of lies. The Israeli policy is to seek to terrify the public/civilians into compliance. It does not work but that is the policy.
We know that most of the injured and dead were not those who could be Hezbollah operatives. We also know it was not surgically targeted because many others had the pagers like doctors, emergency workers.
We know children were killed and maimed. So your claims are ridiculous.
It was an attack which guaranteed civilian deaths and injury with no gaurantees of hitting Hezbollah operatives.
In addition, Hezbollah is assisting the Palestinians in their just fight for freedom so they are not terrorists but freedom fighters.
As to Osama Bin Laden, yes killing him was also terrorism. In a civilized world we have innocent until proven guilty so anyone assassinated without being convicted in a court of law has been murdered in an act of terrorism.
In addition, Bin Laden was a CIA operative, trained to work for them during the war in Aghanistan. Bin Laden also suffered serious kidney disease and probably died long before the Americans decided on their bit of theatre to claim they killed him.
Also, Bin Laden and Al Quaeda, a group set up by the CIA in Afghanistan, were blamed for 9/11 even though it was admitted the so-called terrorists were Saudis. And then the Americans flew a bunch of important Saudis out of the US, after 9.11 when there was a no-fly policy in place.
Things are rarely what they seem and the Israelis are not the only liars.
Iran is an ancient, sophisticated and quite brilliant culture, society and country. It has been trapped in fundamentalist Islam thanks to the American meddling, but its people are impressively clever, far cleverer than the made in a minute Israelis, and they will ultimately outwit the Ditzraeli terrorists.
If Hamas was doing what it is doing when there is no occupation by Israel you would be correct.
Because Israel inflicts a bestial, sadistic and savage military colonial occupation on all of Palestine then Hamas are not terrorists but freedom fighters. It is the Israelis who are the terrorists.
It is the right of the Palestinians to take support from whoever offers it, including Iran, just as Israel claims that right.
Israelis will have no say in the dismantling of their State. It is crumbling already with an economy in ruins, half the colonists have gone back to where they came from and businesses are bankrupt.
Oh the cia ? Lol the Americans were helping afganis against the Soviet invasion - its a huge leap to say the evils of Al Qaeda developed years later who turned against any thing American and even Saudi Arabia itself and sept 11 itself was justified ( it wasn’t ) just like Oct 7 was not justified but radical lefties like you skewer it and say Islamic terrorism is not Islamic terrorism including the butchering and raping and mass murder ( not accidental killing in war ) was not only denied by you ( the radical ) but resistance and justified then deny it even happened when it’s all on camera footage by Islamic jihadi Palestinians / Hamas because you say ( under your skewered Hamas talking islamic jihadi pro Palestinians Jihadi talking points israel proper it’s all Palestine and Arabs can do anything they want to the Jewish state of Israel and it’s all resistance - you know how Radical hypocritical and deranged that sounds- plus you are flat wring and it’s irrelevant what you say and again ISRAEL ( PROPER ) EXISTS IN FACT AND LAW AS JEWISH STATE DESPITE YOUR DELUSIONAL BELIEF WHICH WONT CHANGE A THING
The Zionist state is a Jewish state
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then the Arab states should just dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
ISRAELIS AND THE JEWISH ZIONIST STATE OF JEWISH ISRAEL DECIDE WHO ITS RESIDENTS OR CITIZENS WILL BE NOT YOU
It’s simple the Zionist state IS a Jewish state - it’s a Jewish state in law and fact accepted by the modern western world since 1948 - its irrelevant what you think and other radical left cronies and Islamist jihadis like Palestinians jihadi terrorists and evil brutal Iranian regime think
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then tell the Arab states to dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
They hated Jews for their religion first then they hated them just being Jewish like Hitler did
Now it’s clear that hate them for having a Jewish state -
You can deny all you want
The Hamas manifesto is clear just like the Arafat fake Palestinian identity created in 1960s
The 47 UN partook was for a Jewish state AND a additional Arab state ( not a Palestine ) - which Arabs rejected and went to war and lost…tough luck reality and expelled Jews ( Jordan did ) from Judea / Samaria
I think most sane people hate injustice, cruelty, bestial sadism, occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zionists and Jews for a century.
I do not happen to think any of that represents Judaism or real Jews but I recognise that Jews must stand up to reject and push to dismantle the Zionist state if they want to save their religion and their integrity.
The Zionist state is a Jewish state
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then tell the Arab states to dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
To let you know since you are the one doing it, repeated posts and abusive posts will be removed.
You must really hate Judaism and Jews if you believe Israel represents the religion and its followers.
I reject that anti-semitism. Zionist Israel has exploited too many gullible and not very bright Jews, and defamed the religion, but any understanding of Judaism makes it very clear it does not promote occupation, colonisation, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, murder, theft as carried out by Zionist Israel for nearly 80 years.
I would never condemn all Jews because of some Jewish fanatics and the lies of Israel, just as I would never condemn Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists for their fanatics.
Oh yes you only condemn the majority of Jews because they are Zionists as Israel is a nation state for the Jewish people ( Jewish majority ) and lie about everything - it is so Ahistorical what and deceptive what you say
You typically only quote the dissenting minority among Jews the radical left anti Zionists type Marxists who openly call for the end of the Jewish state - those are the voices you say “
Oh look as a Jew “ im an anti Zionist” doesn’t count as its feeble and irrelevant and - but at least dissenters are allowed to voice this be it half truths their nonsense or narrative that all radical left use but in Hezbollah and Hamas or PLO autonomy ruled Palestinian territory and many parts of Arab and Islamic nations you cannot even voice any dissenting voice without brutally being silenced as Palestinians are - who may want peace with Israel are by be in by PLO/ Fatah which also encourage terrorism pay for slay incentives / Islamic jihad in west bank and Gaza
None of those states commit the evil that Israel does. None of them are committing genocide. none of them are constantly attacking their neighbours. None of them have a history of bestial savagery which equals Israel.
American Surgeon Who Volunteered in Gaza Says IDF Snipers Shoot Toddlers
'No toddler gets shot twice by mistake,' said Dr. Mark Perlmutter
https://news.antiwar.com/author/dave_decamp/ July 22, 2024 at 5:30 pm ET Categorieshttps://news.antiwar.com/category/news/
An American surgeon who volunteered in Gaza https://www.cbsnews.com/video/children-of-gaza/ in an interview that aired Sunday that Israeli snipers were purposely shooting Palestinian children, including toddlers.
“I had children who were shot twice,” said Dr. Mark Perlmutter, who said he was in Gaza at the end of April and the first couple weeks of May. “I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately and directly on the side of the head in the same child.”
Perlmutter added, “No toddler gets shot twice by mistake by ‘the world’s best snipers.’ And they’re dead-center shots.” Other foreign doctors who volunteered in Gaza https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-warhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war back in April, saying Israeli snipers were shooting children in the head.
Earlier this month, https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/published a report citing Israeli soldiers that detailed how the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) in Gaza essentially had no restrictions on who they could shoot. The report said the IDF “routinely executes” civilians who enter areas the military deemed “no-go zones,” and it detailed shootings where young children were killed.
In his interview, Perlmutter, vice president of the International College of Surgeons, said what he saw in Gaza was worse than all of the disaster zones he’s seen combined. “Forty mission trips, 30 years, Ground Zero, earthquakes. All of that combined doesn’t equal the level of carnage that I saw against civilians in just my first week in Gaza,” he said.
When asked if the civilians he saw wounded or killed were mostly children, Perlmutter said, “Almost exclusively children. I’ve never seen that before. Never seen that. I’ve seen more incinerated children than I’ve ever seen in my entire life combined. I’ve seen more shredded children in just the first week.”
Asked what he meant by “shredded” children, Perlmutter explained, “Missing body parts, being crushed by buildings, the greatest majority, or bomb explosions, the next greatest majority. We’ve taken shrapnel as big as my thumb out of eight-year-olds.”
According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/-suffering-horrifically-10-months-of-israel-s-war-on-children-in-gaza/3272681, and about 38,000 have been wounded, which includes many amputees. Due to the Israeli siege, children’s limbs https://news.sky.com/video/children-in-gaza-experience-physical-injuries-and-deep-trauma-as-childrens-limbs-are-amputated-without-anaesthetic-13148350#:~:text=Politics-,Children%20in%20Gaza%20experience%20physical%20injuries%20and%20deep%20trauma,limbs%20are%20amputated%20without%20anaesthetic
Israel should NOT have tolerated at all being sent rockets from Gaza by Hamas for 20 years trying to kill its citizens - no neighbour would - hit the USA’ - not Canada not morrooco not anyone - killi
Even Tibetans don’t even do send rockets into China for 20 years lol and if they did they would be slaughtered and justified too - that’s why there is apparent peace lol ok righto
For heaven's sake, Gaza is not a neighbour, Occupied Palestine is not a neighbour. Israel rules all of Palestine including what is called the West Bank and the Gaza concentration camp.
They were attacking their sadistic and bestial occupiers and colonial rulers and that is their right in law.
TRUST ME iF THE US or Canada were doing to their native people what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians they would also be on the receiving end of rockets and a resistance militia.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS THE TIBETANS HAVE CITIZENSHIP AND ARE NOT LOCKED IN PRISON CANTONS AND CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND RAPED, TORTURED, MURDERED BY THEIR COLONISERS.
There are beach resorts and hotels in Gaza ( at least until they slaughtered Jews on Oct 7 )
Make up your mind up - as pre 1967 border of Gaza belonged to Egypt ( as Palestinians rejected an Arab state partition in 1947 UN for a Jewish state ( Jews living in mandate of British Pal like Gold Meir and for arabs )
Then Gaza belonged to Israel for ADMINSTRATION purposes after 1967 when Egypt lost the war after a war with Israel again ) and they unilaterally withdrew to 67 borders anyway in 2005 but Hamas ruined it for Gazans ( Arab Palestinians ) by stealing billions in aid and building terror tunnels despite having beautiful resorts and beaches and hotel and large mansions in Gaza ( no Jews in Nazi camps had resorts and supermarkets and food markets and mansions I recall ) ( and all Jews ethnically cleansed themselves from Gaza where they also lived there ( Hamas allows no Jews into their territory too - funny that )
Tiber is different example and no comparison no but Tibet was a state and China annexed it and killed thousands of Tibetans and the Dalai Laima fled - tibetisns still want their own state but China won’t let them and ethic Chinese live there now ( no Jews in Gaza ) completely different yes but not like you are portraying in deceitful way
They have Free Tibet protests all the time still
Your ignorance is supreme. The Chinese gave Tibetans citizenship and rights and they do not imprison them in concentration camps and cantons and rape, torture, murder them constantly.
If The US and Canada were doing to the native people of their countries what Israel does to the Palestinians I can assure you, the Indians would be bombing them too. The Mexicans would be helping them and Canadian Indians would support American Indians, and vice versa, in a just fight for freedom.
https://savetibet.org/policy-alienating-tibetans-denial-passports-tibetans-china-intensifies-control/
You are so full of double standard bias deluded blanket shit
You have a comprehension problem as that’s not what i said for then you to then demonstrate your double standard bigoted ignorant one sided false analogy twisted demonstrable bias yet again- and false fraudulent definitions that is typical of radical left Anti Zionist ( anti semites who whether they deny it or not deranged anti Zionism in this context is cover for anti semitism clearly too ) anti Israel types like you. ( they are fringe minority too among western civilised governments that goodness).
Even so, yes I’m sure Tibetans loved being annexed yeah with the Dalai Lama fleeing yes they loved it ( the slaughter too ) and you minimise that and amplify your one sided anti Israel narrative. Tibetans I’m sure wanted their own state when Arab Palestinians rejected theirs
The israel withdrew from Gaza a defacto state of Gaza ( pre 1967 borders if Gaza ) lovey with autonomy rule by Hamas after throwing Fatah members off buildings - it was 20 year launch of missiles that caused israel and Egypt to rightly blockade (but not enough clearly )
You are such a racist bigot deranged anti Israel ( anti Zionist - anti Semite ). Yes I use your fraudulent bogus definition of racist against you because you selectively say Israel proper is a racist state when being Jewish is not even a race and even have Arab judges and doctors etc and can practise their religion etc. You can continue with your double standard blood libels nevertheless when know what you are. Israel was set up as Jewish state and has Arabs, Druze and etc Ethiopian Africans etc ANF Muslims are free to practise their religion and Israel has even accepted non Jewish refugees from other countries that are not hostile to it… tell me what the any potential Palestinian state in area a and b or Gaza have including the defacto Arab Palestine state of Jordan ? No Jews or no Jews allowed in Gaza by Hamas after Israel withdrew - no Synagogues in Gaza ? Apartheid anyone
And Hebron arab Palestinian city has god forbid paltry 1100 Jews
Go smoke a crack pipe and continue to peddle your deranged Anti Zionist narrative as it is your right. Anti Zionism is a scourge.
Hebron is in Occupied Palestine. Jews are there as illegal colonists. Well all of it is Occupied Palestine.
How many Palestinian Christians and Muslims are living in the illegal Jewish colonial settlements? None. And those settlements are on Palestinian land.
And yet only 1100 Jews live in Hebron wow ? There should be more jews right in autonomy ruled Pa Hebron right ?? even if the small Jewish part is shared or controlled by IDF for security reasons. The majority is governed by PA.. Security wouldn’t be needed if Jews were allowed freely in a potential future Palestine state ( rather than insisting no Jews allowed - which makes the other call for a binational state a deceptive ploy by Arab Palestinian leaders as we all know what that would mean ( despite the foolishness of utopian Marxist freaks ) - Islamic Arab ruled states and a real risk of civil war ( like the fucked up Syria , Yemen and Lebanon etc and like most Islamic Arab states the end of democracy where Jews would be subjected at a given chance like as Dhimmi again - and a kin to a second Holocaust potentially.
We should just rely on the blind faith of the radical left freaks to preach their solution that Israeli Jews will be fine under Islamic rule - hence why the 1947 UN partition and prior - the 1937 peel commission which gave more to Arab state vs Jewish state split - and Arabs rejected..
The Westbank so called belligerent occupation is symptom due to Islamic terrorism and since the second intifada terrorism wave after Arafat rejected after the most left wing Israeli govt offered a legitimate land swap for peace deals. Area c must always be part of Israel for legitimate security reasons as the risk is to great as weapons smuggled in by Iran proxies via Jordan borders etc by radical Islamic terrorist jihadi is great for Israel.. if Gaza couldn’t work when israel withdrew then the region will remain an autonomous rule with potential future improvements to only non jihadi Arabs - not ones that are jihadis terrorists ( any murder on both sides must be prosecuted and Israel should not allow Islamic jihadi to kill Palestinians either for wanting peace with Israel ether- they are the ones that could be given residency status in Israel or remain part of future split confederation . That’s entirely Israel’s right as it is there right to negotiate with willing partners not Islamic Arab terrorist whose sole self determined goal along with Marxist type hypocritical double standard freaks want to see an end of the Jewish state of Israel.
The PA rules nothing. If the PA ruled Hebron or anything it would be the PA which issued ID cards. Israel as the military colonial ruler issues ID cards to every single Palestinian.
The PA is just a stooge, a player in Israel’s colonial game.
And some analysts believe that if Abbas / Palestinian authority held elections inside his Arab run quarters within Palestinian Westbank then Hamas would likely be voted in and if stupidly Israel IDF withdrew from area c ( which was part of Oslo to stay in part until real peace can be established to protect ISREAL security ) then Westbank ( a so called potential part of the Palestinian state would be used as a bigger launch war or Islamic terrorism launch pad to ( than Gaza actually was ) to destroy Israel
Clear case in point when the most left wing Israeli government Barak ( not Netanyahu ) offered Arafat a legitimate offer of over 90 % of West Bank to be Included as part of an official independant Arab nation state of Palestine along side Jewish nation state of Israel - Arafat still rejected it as he wanted all of Israel instead thar even the senior member of the Saudi ruling family said that Arafat s rejection was not only stupid but criminal. What followed after Arafat rejection of the Arab state offer land for peace deal was Arab Palestinian Arab Marxism terrorism and Passover massacres and bus bombings and other horrific acts on Israeli / Israeli Jewish citizens by Islamic jihadi with suicidal terrorism for 5 years including by Hamas then and Islamic jihadi mainly emanating from the Westbank into Israel proper which Israel build a security wall to help protect its citizens - we saw then what happened and it would happen ten fold if Hamas actually took power in the Westbank Region they would attempt bigger acts of Oct 7 style attacks into Tel Aviv itself ( big seek peace as a seperate Arab state as 2000 offer was a perfect example and look
You are mad
https://x.com/vividprowess/status/1839070346135195779?s=42&t=Oe4Epqw10N34bNkRw6Mz4A
Don’t cry then israel has a right to rule it all if you don’t want PA to rule by autonomy unless you want Hamas who ruled by autonomy ruled Gaza instead - but they are getting a beating and they have done fuck all but kill their own by starting a war it cannot win in their destroyed state that has resorts and hotels prior to Oct 7 and could have been 1090 times better if Hamas built up and didn’t steal billions for themselves hiding in Qatar and then building tunnels for themselves to have shelter from war attacks rather than allow other Gazans shelter too
Oh you talk so much gobble de gook fuck a duck then Hamas the good guys are not stooges - they are big and tough who throw gay people off buildings and throw Farah members off buildings and drill screws Inti their own children finger nails
And you talk about peace so PA are just stooges so they must not talk to Israel who is the power on their state called Israel who have lived their for 75 years at least since the founding of Israel as a state from the colonial powers of Ottoman empire and British empires etc etc
Oh you talk so much gobble de gook fuck a duck then Hamas the good guys are not stooges - they are big and tough who throw gay people off buildings and throw Farah members off buildings and drill screws Inti their own children finger nails
And you talk about peace so PA are just stooges so they must not talk to Israel who is the power on their state called Israel who have lived their for 75 years at least since the founding of Israel as a state from the colonial powers of Ottoman empire and British empires etc etc
Who the Hell Are We?
04/08/18
YEARS AGO I had a friendly discussion with Ariel Sharon.
I told him: "I am first of all an Israeli. After that I am a Jew."
He responded heatedly: "I am first of all a Jew, and only after that an Israeli!"
That may look like an abstract debate. But in reality, this is the question that lies at the heart of all our basic problems. It is the core of the crisis which is now rending Israel apart.
THE IMMEDIATE cause of this crisis is the law that was adopted in great haste last week by the rightist Knesset majority. It is entitled "Basic Law: Israel the Nation State of the Jewish People".
This is a constitutional law. When Israel was founded during the war of 1948, it did not adopt a constitution. There was a problem with the Orthodox religious community, which made an agreed formula impossible. Instead David Ben-Gurion read out a "Declaration of Independence", which announced that "we are founding the Jewish State, namely the State of Israel".
The declaration did not become law. The Supreme Court adopted its principles without a legal basis. The new document, however, is a binding law.
So what is new about the new law, which at a first glance looks like a copy of the declaration? It contains two important omissions: the declaration spoke of a "Jewish and Democratic" state, and promised full equality between all its citizens, without regard to religion, ethnicity or sex.
All this has disappeared. No democracy. No equality. A state of the Jews, for the Jews, by the Jews.
THE FIRST to cry out were the Druze.
The Druze are a small and close-knit minority. They send their sons to serve in the Israeli army and police and consider themselves "blood brothers". Suddenly they have been robbed of all their legal rights and sense of belonging.
Are they Arabs or not? Muslims or not? That depends on who is speaking, where and what for. They threaten to demonstrate, to leave the army and generally rebel. Binyamin Netanyahu tries to bribe them, but they are a proud community.
However, the Druze are not the main point. The new law completely ignores the 1.8 million Arabs who are Israeli citizens, including the Bedouin and Christians. (No one even thinks about the hundreds of thousands of European Christians, who immigrated with their Jewish spouses and other relatives, mainly from Russia.)
The Arabic language with all its splendor, which until now was one of the two official languages, was demoted to a mere "special status", whatever that means.
(All this applies to Israel proper, not to the 5 million or so Arabs in the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip, who have no rights at all.)
Netanyahu is defending this law like a lion against mounting criticism from within. He has publicly declared that all the Jewish critics of the law are leftists and traitors (synonyms), "who have forgotten what it is to be Jewish".
AND THAT is really the point.
Years ago, my friends and I asked the Supreme Court to change the "nationality" entry in our identity cards, from "Jewish" to “Israeli". The courts refused, stating that there is no Israeli nation. The official register recognizes almost a hundred nations, but not an Israeli one.
This curious situation started with the birth of Zionism in the late 19th century. It was a Jewish movement, designed to solve the Jewish Question. The settlers in Palestine were Jewish. The whole project was closely connected with Jewish tradition.
But once a second generation of settlers grew up, they felt uneasy about being just Jewish, like Jews in Brooklyn or Krakow. They felt that they were something new, different, special.
The most extreme were a small group of young poets and artists, who in 1941 formed an organization nicknamed "the Canaanites", who proclaimed that we were a new nation, a Hebrew one. In their enthusiasm they went to extremes, declaring that we have nothing to do with Jews abroad, and that there was no Arab nation – Arabs were just Hebrews who had adopted Islam.
Then there came the news of the Holocaust, the Canaanites were forgotten and everybody became remorseful super-Jews.
But not really. Without a conscious decision, the popular language of my generation adopted a clear distinction: Jewish Diaspora and Hebrew agriculture, Jewish history and Hebrew battalions, Jewish religion and Hebrew language.
When the British were here, I took part in dozens of demonstrations shouting "Free Immigration! Hebrew State!". I don't remember a single demonstration where anyone shouted "Jewish State!"
So why does the Declaration of Independence speak of a "Jewish State"? Simple: it was alluding to the UN resolution which decreed the partition of Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish state. The founders simply stated that we are now setting up this Jewish state.
Vladimir Jabotinsky, the legendary forefather of the Likud, wrote an anthem declaring "A Hebrew is the son of a prince".
ACTUALLY THIS is a natural process. A nation is a territorial unit. It is conditioned by its landscape, climate, history, neighbors.
When the British settled in America, they felt after some time that they were different from the British they had left behind in their island. They became Americans. The British convicts sent to the Far East became Australians. In two World Wars, Australians rushed to the rescue of Britain, but they are not British. They are a proud new nation. So are Canadians, New Zealanders, and Argentinians. And so are we.
Or would have been, if official ideology had allowed it. What has happened?
First of all, there was the huge immigration from the Arab world and Eastern Europe in the early fifties – for every one Hebrew there were two, three, four new immigrants, who considered themselves Jews.
Then there was the need for money and political support from the Jews abroad, especially in the US. These, while considering themselves full and true Americans (try and say they are not, you bloody anti-Semite!) are proud to have a Jewish State somewhere.
And then there was (and is!) a rigorous government policy of Judaization of everything. The present government has reached new heights. Active – even frantic – government actions try to Judaize education, culture, even sports. Orthodox Jews, a small minority in Israel, exert immense influence. Their votes in the Knesset are essential to the Netanyahu government.
WHEN THE State of Israel was founded, the term Hebrew was exchanged for the term Israeli. Hebrew is now only a language.
So is there an Israeli nation? Of course there is. Is there a Jewish nation? Of course there isn't.
Jews are members of an ethnic-religious people, dispersed throughout the world and belonging to many nations, with a strong feeling of affinity with Israel. We, in this country, belong to the Israeli nation, whose Hebrew members are part of the Jewish people.
It is crucial that we recognize this. It decides our outlook. Quite literally. Are we looking towards Jewish centers like New York, London, Paris and Berlin, or are we looking towards our neighbors, Damascus, Beirut and Cairo? Are we part of a region inhabited by Arabs? Do we realize that making peace with these Arabs, and especially the Palestinians, is the main task of this generation?
We are not temporary tenants in this country, ready at any moment to go and join our brother and sister Jews around the globe. We belong to this country and are going to live here for many generations to come, and therefore we must become peaceful neighbors in this region, which I called, 75 years ago, "the Semitic Region".
The new Nation Law, by its clearly semi-fascist nature, shows us how urgent this debate is. We must decide who we are, what we want, where we belong. Otherwise we will be condemned to a permanent state of impermanence.
ISRAEL DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE 14 MAY 1948 - WHICH IS CELEBRATED BY JEWISH ISRAELIS AND NON JEWS ALIKE
“ IT DECLARED THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ‘ JEWISH STATE ‘ IN ERETZ - ISRAEL TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL…
SO WHOEVER SAYS OTHERWISE IS LYING ITS A JEWISH STATE CALLED ISRAEL
THAT DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE WAS CODIFIED ANYWAY IN LEGISLATION ( IT WASNT NECESSARY AS IT WAS A JEWISH STATE IN ITS INDEPENDANCE AND IT WENT FURTHER IN ISRAELI LAW 2018
It relation to criticism of Israel i said it is not anti semitic. So you have a comprehension problem and clearly misunderstand me. For the avoidance of doubt i will repeat again-I clearly said criticism of Israel and it’s policies is clearly and obviously NOT anti semitic - almost all Israelis criticise their own democratically elected government and have varied views in the Jewish nation state- declared in 1947. I have never heard a mete critic of Israel called anti semitic ( if if they do it’s wrong and lie peddled by the radical left.
Now listen again if you want to understand further the big lie is being bandied around by college campuses by pro Hamas / pro Palestine supporters is to conflate is that they try to say - all we are doing is criticising Israel and when we do we are automatically called anti semitic ( which is the lie unto itself but if it’s true then it’s terrible ) of course you can criticise Israel policies - Israeli Jews people do themselves too including Netanyahu etc even within the Israeli cabinet there is criticism. That is legitimate
As Thomas Friedman NYT also said which is true “ criticising Israel is NOT anti semitic ( and saying so is vile ) BUT singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction ( through the years ) - out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East - is ANTI Semitic, and NOT saying so is dishonest.
ANTI ZIONISM IS ANTI SEMITISM THOUGH IN THIS CONTEXT
Clearly ANTI Zionism in this context is clearly worse form of a NEW anti semitism as Douglas Murray and Natasha Hausdorff and others have also stated including Prof Cotler
Examples : These forms are when Israel has no right to exist and must be dismantled as the majority of Jews are Zionists and live in Israel is genocidal anti semitism . The public calls from mainly from the radical left or Maxist types and radical Islamists Jihadi - including Islamic terrorists calling for the destruction of the Jewish state Israel and Jewish people is clearly anti semitic - genocidal anti semitism.
The manifesto of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iranian regime calling for the destruction of the Jewish nation state sovereignty is another example of genocidal anti semitism ( anti zionsim ).
Religious Islamic Fatwas that call for the destruction of the Jewish state and its Jewish people.. ( a second Holocaust per say )
Political anti semitism ( anti Zionism )
The denial of the Jewish peoples right to self determination
The delegitimisation of Israel as Jewish nation state.
The attribution to Israel of all the worlds evils ( countless blood libels ) such as Israel is the poisoner of international wells.
Ideological anti semitism - including Zionism = racism rhetoric to Nazify Israel is reprehensible blood libel
Holocaust denial.
Racist/ prejudicial terrorism against Jews
Theological anti semitism - the convergence of Islamic anti semitism and Christian replacement theology, drawing a classical hatred of Jews.
Denial of Israel of equality before the law in the international arena ( promoted by radical left groups and developed in origin Islamic cooperation countries within UN anti western countries who are the biggest human rights abusers like Syria / Lebanon and Iran being heads of members of Human rights council UN body - that absurdly single out Israel for differential treatment and discriminatory treatment in this arena - they appoint anti Western and pro dictatorship figured as human right experts is all anti Semitic ( anti Zionism ) yes
All of these above is clear examples new anti semitism ( anti Zionism) -prejudicial or bigotry towards the Jewish state
Whether one agrees or accepts each of of these sets of examples above there is littke doubt that the majority ( peddled by the radical left with some or many too ) must be included in any comprehensive Catologue of bigotry.
One doesn’t have to be a Zionist but if you are Anti Zionist that means you are against the Jewish people having a Jewish nation state homeland in its historical homeland ( settler colonialism state is another fallacy too - and it’s not hard to prove this with objective reasoning - this is peddled again by anti Zionists radical left bigots ( they believe it or some just like saying it and Islamists jihadi etc )
Again criticising violence by some extremists by both sides in Judea / West Bank that used to belong to Jordan after 48 is not anti semitic and many Israel’s condemn as do I … ( although doesn’t compare to Islamic jihadi terrorists who murder Palestinians ( who want peace with Israel ) and Jews alike and receive weapons from Iran smuggled via Jordan into the westbank ( area A - PA Administered ) and who seek the destruction of the sovereign Jewish state of Israel proper and restore it when an Islamic caliphate..( again genocidal anti semitism )
The Law Of Exploding Pagers
John Spencer, Mark Goldfeder, and Arsen Ostrovsky (https://www.dailywire.com/author/john-spencer-mark-goldfeder-and-arsen-ostrovsky)
Sep 25, 2024
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Last week the world watched as the terrorist army Hezbollah was hit by an attack that was equal parts debilitating and humiliating. On Tuesday, September 17, the special pagers carried by Hezbollah operatives suddenly exploded. Then, on Wednesday, their walkie talkies literally blew up.
Although Israel has not claimed responsibility for the operation, in the event they did carry out this historically unprecedented strike, it was entirely justified and in full accordance with international law.
It is not surprising that it did not take long for the usual chorus of anti-Israel politicians and pundits (https://x.com/KenRoth/status/1836428530730590662) — those who only remember International Humanitarian Law (IHL) whenever they think it might hurt the Jewish State — to find some obscure provision, divorced from context, that they might deceptively latch onto and accuse Israel of violating, knowing full well that the uneducated armchair ‘experts’ who blindly follow them would thoughtlessly amplify their claims, muddy the waters of good vs. evil, and somehow make Israel the bad guy again.
This time, the frenzied cries centered around Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II (https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/ccw-amended-protocol-ii-1996) to the 1980 Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which prohibits the use of booby-traps in certain circumstances. Pseudo-academics like Kenneth Roth (https://x.com/KenRoth/status/1836428530730590662) could not wait to tell their breathless adherents that IHL unequivocally “prohibits the use of booby traps” — even though it is obvious that if booby traps are prohibited in certain circumstances, they must be permitted in others.
For the record, this is one of those permitted times, and here, with citations, is why.
First, it is important to establish that communication devices ordered by terrorists, issued to terrorists, for terrorist purposes, do not count as harmless civilian objects. Under Article 52 (https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/article-52) of the Additional Protocols to Geneva Convention I, the communication devices that a designated foreign terrorist organization issues to its operatives are legitimate military targets, and this should not be controversial. The fact that civilians may also use cell phones does not mean that you cannot target a terrorist call center.
Article 7 of the Amended Protocol II provides certain restrictions as to the use of booby traps and other similar devices. Paragraph 1 lists certain categories of objects — religious objects, children’s toys, etc. — for which it is prohibited to use booby traps in all circumstances. The devices in question do not fall under any of those categories.
Paragraph 2 of Article 7 prohibits using booby traps or other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects which are specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material. As the U.S. Department of Defense Law of War Manual explains: (https://media.defense.gov/2023/Jul/31/2003271432/-1/-1/0/DOD-LAW-OF-WAR-MANUAL-JUNE-2015-UPDATED-JULY%202023.PDF)
The prohibition is intended to prevent the production of large quantities of dangerous objects that can be scattered around and are likely to be attractive to civilians, especially children.
It has nothing to do with communications devices procured by terrorists for terrorists, devices that were not specifically designed and constructed to contain explosive material, and were instead modified to detonate once they clearly became military objects.
Paragraph 3 of Article 7 reminds us that even when permissible any such weapon must be placed “in the close vicinity of a military objective.” It is hard to imagine a more surgically precise procedure than the destruction of personal devices that were (literally) held by terrorists.
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Analyzing the legality of a military operation also requires factoring in the principles of necessity, distinction, and proportionality. The principle of necessity permits actions necessary to accomplish a legitimate military purpose. In this instance, in a single operation, an entire enemy army was significantly impacted, and not only physically – the attack also exposed the Hezbollah network, in Lebanon but also throughout the Middle East where Hezbollah agents or affiliates were carrying these specific Hezbollah issued pagers. The devastating psychological impact also cannot be discounted; Hezbollah can no longer trust their own equipment, cannot communicate (https://www.dailywire.com/news/irans-terrorist-irgc-orders-members-to-stop-using-communication-devices) (ironically, they are rumored to have switched to pagers out of concerns Israel was monitoring their comms!), and will have to change many elements of their operations with the potential to make further mistakes that can then be exploited.
The principle of distinction requires combatants to distinguish between civilians and military objectives during armed conflict. Here, the attack specifically targeted combatants, members of the Hezbollah army who had received specific Hezbollah equipment that is usually kept on their person. The law does not require perfect accuracy, which is impossible, and that leads to the principle of proportionality: Would such an attack be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects or a combination thereof which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage that is anticipated In this case, not a chance. Recall that Hezbollah has been bombing Israel incessantly for almost a year. In a swift and defensive maneuver — fully legal under Article 51 (https://legal.un.org/repertory/art51.shtml) of the UN Charter — Israel (allegedly) immobilized a large segment of a terrorist organization actively hellbent on the genocidal elimination of the country.
Reports say that a few civilians, including two children, were tragically hurt as well. Innocent civilians getting hurt is absolutely tragic, but not in any way unlawful or Israel’s fault.
The truth is that the entire booby trap framework of analysis is wrong. IF Israel did commit these actions, then it was perhaps the finest and cleanest act of lawful sabotage in military history. As the ICRC explains (https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/saboteur):
Sabotage is generally the work of individuals or small formations operating in enemy-controlled territory and taking advantage of clandestinity, surprise, and ruses of war. It is generally carried out with great precision and therefore does not usually harm the civilian population. The targets of sabotage must form part of the enemy’s material infrastructure, that is, they must be military objectives. To sum up, sabotage against the enemy is a lawful operation provided the legal rules for the choice of targets and the methods and means employed are respected.
To quote one actual international humanitarian law expert, Eugene Kontorovitch:
Those protesting the attack on Hezbollah cell phones would have been crying over bombs placed on Nazi Germany’s train tracks.
The sad conclusion is this: if you are among those who were silent while Hezbollah committed thousands of undeniable, uncontested, and unprovoked war crimes against innocent Israeli civilians — killing men, women, and children (https://www.timesofisrael.com/11-killed-mostly-children-dozens-more-hurt-as-rocket-hits-soccer-field-in-majdal-shams/) in the process — and yet now find yourself horrified that Israel finally responded in a lawful, targeted mann
er by neutering (in some cases literally) hundreds of the terrorists who had been indiscriminately attacking them for months — your problem is not with Israel’s actions under international law; it is with Israel’s very existence.
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And yet only 1100 Jews live in Hebron wow ? There should be more jews right in autonomy ruled Pa Hebron right ?? even if the small Jewish part is shared or controlled by IDF for security reasons. The majority is governed by PA.. Security wouldn’t be needed if Jews were allowed freely in a potential future Palestine state ( rather than insisting no Jews allowed - which makes the other call for a binational state a deceptive ploy by Arab Palestinian leaders as we all know what that would mean ( despite the foolishness of utopian ) - Islamic Arab ruled state and a real risk of civil war ( like the fucked up Syria , Yemen and Lebanon etc and like most Islamic Arab states the end of democracy where Jews would be subjected at a given chance like as Dhimmi - a kin to a second Holocaust
We got rely on the blind faith of the radical left freaks to preach that Israeli Jews will be fine under Islamic rule - hence why the 1947 UN partition and prior - the 1937 peel commission which gave more to Arab state vs Jewish state split - and Arabs rejected..
The Westbank so called belligerent occupation is symptom due to Islamic terrorism and since the second intifada terrorism wave after Arafat rejected after the most left wing Israeli govt offered a legitimate land swap for peace deals. Area c must always be part of Israel for legitimate security reasons as the risk is to great as weapons smuggled in by Iran proxies via Jordan borders etc by radical Islamic terrorist jihadi is great for Israel.. if Gaza couldn’t work when israel withdrew then the region will remain an autonomous rule with potential future improvements to only non jihadi Arabs - not ones that are jihadis terrorists ( any murder on both sides must be prosecuted and Israel should not allow Islamic jihadi to kill Palestinians either for wanting peace with Israel ether- they are the ones that could be given residency status in Israel or remain part of future split confederation . That’s entirely Israel’s right as it is there right to negotiate with willing partners not terrorists.
Let us not be truly stupid. Israel rules Hebron because Israel is the military colonial occupation ruler of all of Occupied Palestine. There are only Jews as illegal colonists in Hebron because the Israeli Government allows and makes it happen.
Israel processes and issues an ID card to every single Palestinian including those in the Gaza concentration camp which clearly shows Israel is the colonial ruler. they hand them to the stooge PA to pass around but no Palestinian gets an ID card unless it is processed and issued by the colonial regime.
Let us NOT be deluded with the radical left anti Zionist ( anti semite ) freaks repeating the same false narrative that the israel the Jewish state that was declared legally in fact and law in 1947 by the majority of western world fictitiously belongs to another state when no independant state called Palestine ever existed. ( a state offer was even rejected lol in actual fact ).
Furthermore even if ( and irrespective of ) a colonialist state definition for Israel is true ( which is isn’t -it’s a bogus flawed narrative entirely ) then once again israel exists in fact in law when it was declared a Jewish nation state in 1947 by the majority of the western world.
Who is it a colonialist state for - which imperial power ? Europe ? Uk - british ? Russia ? Lol who or which imperial power was it colonising for ? Russia or ? It was de colonising getting away from British empire who chopped and changed. A small national Jewish group was acting on its own behalf ( with its historic Jewish homeland ) not any external imperial power. again israel exists as nation state now since 1947 ( whether you agree or not with the nature of the fact it had it founding origins in 1947 in law and fact..
Or Saudi Arabia ? That’s right Saudi Arabia was founded in Islamic murder like Pakistan wow
Uri Avnery was one of the very few Israelis with conscience and intelligence. He died before the true bestial and sadistic savagery of the Israelis was unleashed.
The Day of Shame
19/05/18
ON BLOODY MONDAY this week, when the number of Palestinian killed and wounded was rising by the hour, I asked myself: what would I have done if I had been a youngster of 15 in the Gaza Strip?
My answer was, without hesitation: I would have stood near the border fence and demonstrated, risking my life and limbs every minute.
How am I so sure?
Simple: I did the same when I was 15.
I was a member of the National Military Organization (the "Irgun"), an armed underground group labeled "terrorist".
Palestine was at the time under British occupation (called "mandate"). In May 1939, the British enacted a law limiting the right of Jews to acquire land. I received an order to be at a certain time at a certain spot near the sea shore of Tel Aviv in order to take part in a demonstration. I was to wait for a trumpet signal.
The trumpet sounded and we started the march down Allenby Road, then the city's main street. Near the main synagogue, somebody climbed the stairs and delivered an inflammatory speech. Then we marched on, to the end of the street, where the offices of the British administration were located. There we sang the national anthem, “Hatikvah”, while some adult members set fire to the offices.
Suddenly several lorries carrying British soldiers screeched to a halt, and a salvo of shots rang out. The British fired over our heads, and we ran away.
Remembering this event 79 years later, it crossed my mind that the boys of Gaza are greater heroes then we were then. They did not run away. They stood their ground for hours, while the death toll rose to 61 and the number of those wounded by live ammunition to some 1500, in addition to 1000 affected by gas.
ON THAT day, most TV stations in Israel and abroad split their screen. On the right, the events in Gaza. On the left, the inauguration of the US Embassy in Jerusalem.
In the 136th year of the Zionist-Palestinian war, that split screen is the picture of reality: the celebration in Jerusalem and the bloodbath in Gaza. Not on two different planets, not in two different continents, but hardly an hour's drive apart.
The celebration in Jerusalem started as a silly event. A bunch of suited males, inflated with self-importance, celebrating - what, exactly? The symbolic movement of an office from one town to another.
Jerusalem is a major bone of contention. Everybody knows that there will be no peace, not now, not ever, without a compromise there. For every Palestinian, every Arab, every Muslim throughout the world, it is unthinkable to give up Jerusalem. It is from there, according to Muslim tradition, that the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven, after tying his horse to the rock that is now the center of the holy places. After Mecca and Medina, Jerusalem is the third holiest place of Islam.
For the Jews, of course, Jerusalem means the place where, some 2000 years ago, there stood the temple built by King Herod, a cruel half-Jew. A remnant of an outer wall still stands there and is revered as the "Western Wall". It used to be called the "Wailing Wall", and is the holiest place of the Jews.
Statesmen have tried to square the circle and find a solution. The 1947 United Nations committee that decreed the partition of Palestine into an Arab and a Jewish state – a solution enthusiastically endorsed by the Jewish leadership – suggested separating Jerusalem from both states and constituting it as a separate unit within what was supposed to be in fact a kind of confederation.
The war of 1948 resulted in a divided city, the Eastern part was occupied by the Arab side (the Kingdom of Jordan) and the Western part became the capital of Israel. (My modest part was to fight in the battle for the road.)
No one liked the division of the city. So my friends and I devised a third solution, which by now has become a world consensus: keep the city united on the municipal level and divide it politically: the West as capital of the State of Israel, the East as capital of the State of Palestine. The leader of the local Palestinians, Faisal al-Husseini, the scion of a most distinguished local Palestinian family and the son of a national hero who was killed not far from my position in the same battle, endorsed this formula publicly. Yasser Arafat gave me his tacit consent.
If President Donald Trump had declared West Jerusalem the capital of Israel and moved his embassy there, almost nobody would have got excited. By omitting the word "West", Trump ignited a fire. Perhaps without realizing what he was doing, and probably not giving a damn.
For me, the moving of the US embassy means nothing. It is a symbolic act that does not change reality. If and when peace does come, no one will care about some stupid act of a half-forgotten US president. Inshallah.
SO THERE they were, this bunch of self-important nobodies, Israelis, Americans and those in-between, having their little festival, while rivers of blood were flowing in Gaza. Human beings were killed by the dozen and wounded by the thousand.
The ceremony started as a cynical meeting, which quickly became grotesque, and ended in being sinister. Nero fiddling while Rome was burning.
When the last hug was exchanged and the last compliment paid (especially to the graceful Ivanka), Gaza remained what it was – a huge concentration camp with severely overcrowded hospitals, lacking medicines and food, drinkable water and electricity.
A ridiculous world-wide propaganda campaign was let loose to counter the world-wide condemnation. For example: the story that the terrorist Hamas had compelled the Gazans to go and demonstrate – as if anyone could be compelled to risk their life in a demonstration.
Or: the story that Hamas paid every demonstrator 50 dollars. Would you risk your life for 50 dollars? Would anybody?
Or: The soldiers had no choice but to kill them, because they were storming the border fence. Actually, no one did so – the huge concentration of Israeli army brigades would have easily prevented it without shooting.
Almost forgotten was a small news item from the days before: Hamas had discreetly offered a Hudna for ten years. A Hudna is a sacred armistice, never to be broken. The Crusaders, our remote predecessors, had many Hudnas with their Arab enemies during their 200-year stay here.
Israeli leaders immediately rejected the offer.
SO WHY were the soldiers ordered to kill? It is the same logic that has animated countless occupation regimes throughout history: make the "natives" so afraid that they will give up. Alas, the results have almost always been the very opposite: the oppressed have become more hardened, more resolute. This is happening now.
Bloody Monday may well be seen in future as the day when the Palestinians regained their national pride, their will to stand up and fight for their independence.
Strangely, the next day – the main day of the planned protest, Naqba Day - only two demonstrators were killed. Israeli diplomats abroad, facing world-wide indignation, had probably sent home SOS messages. Clearly the Israeli army had changed its orders. Non-lethal means were used and sufficed.
MY CONSCIENCE does not allow me to conclude this without some self-criticism.
I would have expected that all of Israel's renowned writers would publish a thundering joint condemnation while the shooting was still going on. It did not happen.
The political "opposition" was contemptible. No word from the Labor party. No word from Ya'ir Lapid. The new leader of the Meretz party, Tamar Sandberg, did at least boycott the Jerusalem celebration. Labor and Lapid did not even do that.
I would have expected that the dozens of our brave peace organizations would unite in a dramatic act of condemnation, an act that would arouse the world. It did not happen. Perhaps they were in a state of shock.
The next day, the excellent boys and girls of the peace groups demonstrated opposite the Likud office in Tel Aviv. Some 500 took part. Far, far from the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated some years ago against the price of cottage cheese.
In short: we did not do our duty. I accuse myself as much as I accuse everybody else.
We must prepare at once for the next atrocity. We must organize for mass action now!
BUT WHAT topped everything was the huge machine of brain-washing that was set in motion. For many years I have not experienced anything like it.
Almost all the so-called "military correspondents" acted like army propaganda agents. Day by day they helped the army to spread lies and falsifications. The public had no alternative but to believe every word. Nobody told them otherwise.
The same is true for almost all other means of communication, program presenters, announcers and correspondents. They willingly became government liars. Probably many of them were ordered to do so by their bosses. Not a glorious chapter.
After the day of blood, when the army was faced with world condemnation and had to stop shooting ("only" killing two unarmed demonstrators) all Israeli media were united in declaring this a great Israeli victory.
Israel had to open the crossings and send food and medicines to Gaza. Egypt had to open its Gaza crossing and accept many hundreds of wounded for operations and other treatment.
The Day of Shame has passed. Until the next time.
Wasn’t he a liberal ZIONIST and supporter of state of Israel like Michael Walzer is ? Thought you only follow Anti Zionists right ?
2 million Arabs live in the Jewish state
Declaration of Independence for Israel was and is its founding as Israel the Jewish state in 1948 which is celebrated yearly ( Jewish nation state is Zionism THATS what Zionism is Jewish nation state )
Whether some radical left ( Jews or otherwise ) disagree with it - is irrelevant
Codified in legislation went further again in 2018 what the independence of declaration in 1948 was and is a Jewish state within ( the historical British mandate of non state called Palestine for indigenous Jews and Jews seperate to Arab state split within -.Jordan Arab state was formed too - with Islamic and no Jewish religion or Jews even allowed )
And yes and Islamic jihad are not sane that’s all what Hamas does against its won and how the want to destroy Jewish state and replace it with Islamic caliphate -
Wars now started by Hamas is horrible and like any war it would be a miracle if no civilians especially with Hamas strategy to shoot from civilian areas ( another war crime )
You are flogging a dead horse. It is irrelevant what Hamas does as part of the Palestinian Resistance because they are the victims and Israel is the aggressor.
And if the Jewish state is destroyed and an Islamic state replaces it and treats people as the Jews have done I will be condemning that equally. However, Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people and how they run their country is their business.
Given the fact the Palestinians are an ancient, cultured, sophisticated and well educated people I do not foresee an Islamic State when it is free.
The facts are against you. This war was started by Zionists and Jews a century ago. All fault, all blame, all responsibility is with Zionists, Israelis and Jews and their supporters.
And if the Palestinian Resistance fighting their evil oppressors is a war crime then you are saying the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto committed a war crime resisting their evil oppressors. I doubt many people would agree with you on that one.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240922-israeli-government-chose-revenge-not-hostages-ex-mossad-chief/
September 19, 2024
Exploding Pagers in Lebanon, Another Israeli Terrorism Blunder?
Jamal Kanj
Benjamin Netanyahu’s security cabinet has approved a plan to wage a war on Lebanon under the pretext of returning Israeli settlers to their colonies in the north part of historical Palestine.
Historically, the Israeli government does not usually discuss its military plans in the public arena. The security cabinet meeting, initially scheduled for Sunday, was delayed to Monday until after the arrival of American envoy, Amos Hochstein. Following their meeting, Israeli Prime Minister told Hochstein thanks for U.S. support, but Israel “will do what is necessary” for the return of the Israeli settlers to the “Jewish only” colonies located along the borders with Lebanon
According to Israeli sources, the Biden administration wanted to avoid a broader regional conflict that might involve the Resistance in Lebanon, Yemen and Iran, at least until after the U.S. elections in November. However, all indications suggest that Netanyahu is resisting the American demands, and even disregarding the opinion of his own war minister who does not believe it’s the right time to expand the war. Netanyahu’s preparations for the war could also include dismissing Yaov Gallant and replacing him with Gideon Sa’ar from the New Hope Jewish racist party. This prompted Biden to send Hochstein to warn the Israeli prime minister of dangerous consequence if he moves ahead and dismisses Gallant.
The political posturing and the unusual public nature of these discussions—potential dismissals of a minister, and talk of military action—suggests that a decision to launch a war against Lebanon may have been imminent. Furthermore, the infighting within the Israeli government appears to have caused confusion or disorganization exhibited by “unapproved” actions taken by Israeli military units along the Lebanese border.
As an example, on September 16, leaflets in Arabic were dropped in South Lebanon ordering residents to leave their homes and warning that civilians who remain become legitimate Israeli targets. But shortly afterward, the Israeli military announced that no official evacuation order had been issued and that the leaflets were distributed without proper authorization.
Besides the hollow excuse for a lack of proper authorization, army units do not have printing machines to prepare leaflets that include the exact date and timing⎯4 p.m. (13:00 GMT)⎯by which civilians should complete their evacuation. Leaflets are typically brought by other specialized units to the frontline.
This raises the questions, could the leaflets have been part of an earlier war plans? Did Hochstein’s visit force a delay in the timing, but the change wasn’t communicated down to the unit responsible for distributing the leaflets?
Then on the following day, Tuesday September 17, approximately 3,000 pagers exploded simultaneously across Lebanon.
Is there a connection between the original timing of the leaflets and the detonation of the pagers?
The above two incidents suggest a serious misstep and could have possibly derailed the original Israeli war plans against Lebanon. In fact, these miscalculations may potentially become larger than Israel’s security screw-up on October 7, 2023.
Before arguing the points for this hypothesis, one must acknowledge that booby-trapping the pagers was possibly one of the most sophisticated espionage operations orchestrated by the Israeli Mossad; no less than the assassination of Ismail Hania in Tehran. Having stated the above, however, one might be surprised in concluding that as far reaching as this covert action was for the Israeli spies, in all likelihood, this was a failure.
The Israeli terrorist assault resulted in the killing of nine Lebanese, including a child, and injuring close to 3000 individuals. Despite what was reported in the managed Western media, many were innocent civilians, some were driving cars, while others were shopping in crowded markets.
In this attack, Israel did not aim to terrorize civilians only, they do that daily. More importantly, targeting the pagers intended to interrupt the communication channels for Resistance operatives, as well as the civilian infrastructure such as hospitals and civil defense. Therefore, for the above to achieve optimum effectiveness, such an operation would need to have taken place during the initial Israeli military attack, not on a normal afternoon in Lebanon. Hence, the relationship between the “unauthorized” leaflets ordering Lebanese civilians to evacuate by 4 p.m. September 16, and the flub of the exploding pagers precisely 24 hours later.
In essence, it appears that Israel had initially prepared to order the evacuation ahead of a planned military action on the 16th. At the same time, the pagers were programmed to detonate during the initial phase of the war, 24 hours later, to disrupt communication channels, create confusion and disarray in the midst of war.
However, the overextended Israeli army that failed in preventing the release of the evacuation leaflets on May 16, when the war was likely delayed. It also did not halt the premature detonation of the pagers on September 17. The last oversight, the second within 24 hours, may have resulted in a missed strategic opportunity for the Israeli army, and another blunder for the Israeli leadership.
Jamal Kanj is the author of Children of Catastrophe: Journey from a Palestinian Refugee Camp to America, and other books. He writes frequently on Arab world issues for various national and international commentaries.
So when or if israel surgically targets know subscribed ISLAMIC terrorists like Hezbollah that is terrorism . Wow -
Killing bin laden and his Islamic terrorist cronies must have terrorism too according to this post using slanted key words accusations as fact - and JUSTIFIED
Hezbollah and Hamas are beyond Islamic terrorists and beyond simple war crimes they are barbaric islamic terrorist monsters and the sooner they get out of Lebanon the better it will be for the Sunni and Christian communities of Lebanon and Lebanon itself which is bankrupt broken state - anything Iran touches turns to shit
You overlook the fact, as do many, that if it is agreed that Israel can summarily execute anyone, anywhere, anytime just because Israel has decided they are a terrorist, regardless of any proof or legal conviction, then you are saying anyone else can do the same.
If we see a wave of assassinations of Israelis can we take it that as a matter of accepting the principle of summary execution of anyone you want dead, that you would agree, executing Israelis would be equally valid.
Remember Israel calls anyone who opposes them and their occupation a terrorist and yet most people in the world consider Israel to be a terrorist state. By your criteria that gives anyone who chooses to do so the right to assassinate as many Israelis as they wish.
I happen to think that is a very dangerous and barbaric world and not one which most humans would ever support, including most Israelis.
Be careful what you wish for others because you are also wishing it for yourself.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/the-law-of-exploding-pagers
Well it was not surgical and we only have Israel's word that they were known targets and Israel has a long history of lies. The Israeli policy is to seek to terrify the public/civilians into compliance. It does not work but that is the policy.
We know that most of the injured and dead were not those who could be Hezbollah operatives. We also know it was not surgically targeted because many others had the pagers like doctors, emergency workers.
We know children were killed and maimed. So your claims are ridiculous.
It was an attack which guaranteed civilian deaths and injury with no gaurantees of hitting Hezbollah operatives.
In addition, Hezbollah is assisting the Palestinians in their just fight for freedom so they are not terrorists but freedom fighters.
As to Osama Bin Laden, yes killing him was also terrorism. In a civilized world we have innocent until proven guilty so anyone assassinated without being convicted in a court of law has been murdered in an act of terrorism.
In addition, Bin Laden was a CIA operative, trained to work for them during the war in Aghanistan. Bin Laden also suffered serious kidney disease and probably died long before the Americans decided on their bit of theatre to claim they killed him.
Also, Bin Laden and Al Quaeda, a group set up by the CIA in Afghanistan, were blamed for 9/11 even though it was admitted the so-called terrorists were Saudis. And then the Americans flew a bunch of important Saudis out of the US, after 9.11 when there was a no-fly policy in place.
Things are rarely what they seem and the Israelis are not the only liars.
Iran is an ancient, sophisticated and quite brilliant culture, society and country. It has been trapped in fundamentalist Islam thanks to the American meddling, but its people are impressively clever, far cleverer than the made in a minute Israelis, and they will ultimately outwit the Ditzraeli terrorists.
Thanks for helping me clear all that up.
If Hamas was doing what it is doing when there is no occupation by Israel you would be correct.
Because Israel inflicts a bestial, sadistic and savage military colonial occupation on all of Palestine then Hamas are not terrorists but freedom fighters. It is the Israelis who are the terrorists.
It is the right of the Palestinians to take support from whoever offers it, including Iran, just as Israel claims that right.
Israelis will have no say in the dismantling of their State. It is crumbling already with an economy in ruins, half the colonists have gone back to where they came from and businesses are bankrupt.
You are deranged seriously
In what world do you call what Hamas did on Oct 7 as freedom fighters
Oh the cia ? Lol the Americans were helping afganis against the Soviet invasion - its a huge leap to say the evils of Al Qaeda developed years later who turned against any thing American and even Saudi Arabia itself and sept 11 itself was justified ( it wasn’t ) just like Oct 7 was not justified but radical lefties like you skewer it and say Islamic terrorism is not Islamic terrorism including the butchering and raping and mass murder ( not accidental killing in war ) was not only denied by you ( the radical ) but resistance and justified then deny it even happened when it’s all on camera footage by Islamic jihadi Palestinians / Hamas because you say ( under your skewered Hamas talking islamic jihadi pro Palestinians Jihadi talking points israel proper it’s all Palestine and Arabs can do anything they want to the Jewish state of Israel and it’s all resistance - you know how Radical hypocritical and deranged that sounds- plus you are flat wring and it’s irrelevant what you say and again ISRAEL ( PROPER ) EXISTS IN FACT AND LAW AS JEWISH STATE DESPITE YOUR DELUSIONAL BELIEF WHICH WONT CHANGE A THING
The Zionist state is a Jewish state
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then the Arab states should just dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas
ISRAELIS AND THE JEWISH ZIONIST STATE OF JEWISH ISRAEL DECIDE WHO ITS RESIDENTS OR CITIZENS WILL BE NOT YOU
It’s simple the Zionist state IS a Jewish state - it’s a Jewish state in law and fact accepted by the modern western world since 1948 - its irrelevant what you think and other radical left cronies and Islamist jihadis like Palestinians jihadi terrorists and evil brutal Iranian regime think
The rest of your definitions are meaningless semantic and conflation
Then tell the Arab states to dismantle and further by your logic means Jordan should be dismantled as it was part of British mandate too as the so call self determination right to Arab Palestinians would claim that as there own too so Jordan must be dismantled too - oh that’s right that partly tried to do that - by saying the Arab state of jeden was not Arab PALESTINIANS enough for them and wanted to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy - so they kicked them out
The right to self determination is not blanket full reaching right to destroy another sovereign nation state - arab nation state of Jordan or the jewish stare of Israel through Islamic terrorism or otherwise. ( they rejected their own ) but hang out more than half of Jordan has Arab Palestinians - so arguably they have a state there ) and autonomy rule in PA controlled areas and has in Gaza.
Using your words “ it’s very simple “ when you want to selectively use it
It’s very simple :
Consistent with Islamic terrorists and radical left nut jobs and useful idiots or utopian delusion - that is your wish for Israel to be finished as Jewish state… they have survived worse.. ( when Palestinians get new leaders and remove all jihadis including their ideology ) then and only then can there be steps towards real peace be it a two state solution with land swaps ( tried before but failed due to second intifada terrorism and the rejection by Arafat ) or some type of confederation - improved but that’s all a moot point until the Islamic jihadi mentality to destroy the Jewish state continues - the Palestinian Territories and its people there will suffer the consequences from poor leadership of they want to destroy the Jewish state. Israelis will never agree to one again unless the jihadi who want to die for Allah type mentality is cured. If not expect much of the same. Israel will survive and it does.. the enemies of Israel will have consequences if they continue to attack them - just like the enemies of the USA and the west in general
I and the rest of the Westen world with moderate governments support the state of Israel - the Jewish state AND Israel has rightfully bipartisan support in the main in the USA ( the radical left of the party usually get reprimanded ) - its a no brainer to stand against Islamic terrorism like Hamas