You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a f…
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself can rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel but again is today and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
I am sorry you have an inferior phone and cannot afford a laptop.
You said: You are dishonest and misleading
What is dishonest is anyone foolish enough to claim Palestine does not exist and did not exist, that genocide is not happening and that Israel is not a terrorist State.
As to Douglas Murray, one can only assume he is paid very well to be a Zionist shill. As someone who previously appeared intelligent, his lack of intelligence and integrity on this issue is sad to see. But money talks.
Murray, Ferguson and Gillard could not rip through the facts presented because facts create a solid wall of truth which has no holes. Gillard is also sad and one can only assume the Ziobullies got to her as well.
You said:ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative.
Any sane and decent human would be anti-zionist which is a fascist, thuggish, racist, sadistic political organisation.
Any sane and decent human would be anti the Israeli State for its history of sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery.
Any sane and decent human being would be pro a Resistance militia fighting for justice, freedom and human and civil rights in their homeland and that includes the political party and prisoner support group which is Hamas.
And since I have never mentioned Arafat I am not sure what you are talking about. He was corrupt and flawed but, compared to the Israelis, a saint.
You said: Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all.
Okay, I see you do not do nuance. Of course a State which people call Israel exists for the moment. But, technically speaking since there are no Israeli citizens and this state has no borders, logically it does not truly exist.
Palestine will be free and it will be a State and it will be a democracy. Some Israelis will choose to stay and become Palestinians but many will go back to where they came from. The UN forces will need to monitor the situation for some years because the former Israelis will find it difficult to give up their hatred of Palestinians and their constant attacks on them.
A lot of Jews want the Jewish state destroyed because it is an undemocratic, tyrannical travesty for Judaism and the world.
You said: it is israel who has the say its Israel land today
Actually it isn't. It is international law and the native people, the Palestinians who have the say on what can and cannot be called Israel, should it continue to exist.
For UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES to apply, Israel must first be legal with legal borders. Israel is not legal, was never legal and has no borders. Israel was founded in genocidal invasion and a war of ethnic cleansing and Right of Conquest was dissolved in 1945 so nothing taken from 1947 is legal.
You said: israel withdrew in 2005
Israel withdrew illegal Jewish colonists in Gaza and illegal military bases in 2005. It put the illegal colonists in other parts of Occupied Palestine still illegal. ISRAEL DID NOT END THE OCCUPATION AS Amira Hass stated in Haaretz, earlier this year.
ISRAEL ISSUES ID CARDS TO EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN INCLUDING THOSE IN THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP. Israel remained the military colonial ruler of all of Palestine.
Israel used Gaza to test its weapons, limited food supplies, bombed farmlands, shot farmers, shot fisherman, prevented medical aid and did everything it could to kill as many of the prisoners in Gaza and to make their life impossible.
Your analogy with Jews and Nazis is the wrong way around. Zionist Israel equates with Nazi Germany and the Jews equate with the Palestinian Christians and Muslims.
Israel does not need gas chambers when it has bombs, bullets, starvation and denial of medical aid and clean water. But the end result is the same.
As to the Palestinians being a threat to world Jewry, get real. Most Jews do not even live in what is called Israel and the Palestinian Resistance has no army, navy or air force. Hamas has stated, in 2017, it has no issue with Jews, just with their Zionist Israeli colonial rulers. Catch up.
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself can rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel but again is today and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
I am sorry you have an inferior phone and cannot afford a laptop.
You said: You are dishonest and misleading
What is dishonest is anyone foolish enough to claim Palestine does not exist and did not exist, that genocide is not happening and that Israel is not a terrorist State.
As to Douglas Murray, one can only assume he is paid very well to be a Zionist shill. As someone who previously appeared intelligent, his lack of intelligence and integrity on this issue is sad to see. But money talks.
Murray, Ferguson and Gillard could not rip through the facts presented because facts create a solid wall of truth which has no holes. Gillard is also sad and one can only assume the Ziobullies got to her as well.
You said:ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative.
Any sane and decent human would be anti-zionist which is a fascist, thuggish, racist, sadistic political organisation.
Any sane and decent human would be anti the Israeli State for its history of sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery.
Any sane and decent human being would be pro a Resistance militia fighting for justice, freedom and human and civil rights in their homeland and that includes the political party and prisoner support group which is Hamas.
And since I have never mentioned Arafat I am not sure what you are talking about. He was corrupt and flawed but, compared to the Israelis, a saint.
You said: Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all.
Okay, I see you do not do nuance. Of course a State which people call Israel exists for the moment. But, technically speaking since there are no Israeli citizens and this state has no borders, logically it does not truly exist.
Palestine will be free and it will be a State and it will be a democracy. Some Israelis will choose to stay and become Palestinians but many will go back to where they came from. The UN forces will need to monitor the situation for some years because the former Israelis will find it difficult to give up their hatred of Palestinians and their constant attacks on them.
A lot of Jews want the Jewish state destroyed because it is an undemocratic, tyrannical travesty for Judaism and the world.
You said: it is israel who has the say its Israel land today
Actually it isn't. It is international law and the native people, the Palestinians who have the say on what can and cannot be called Israel, should it continue to exist.
For UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES to apply, Israel must first be legal with legal borders. Israel is not legal, was never legal and has no borders. Israel was founded in genocidal invasion and a war of ethnic cleansing and Right of Conquest was dissolved in 1945 so nothing taken from 1947 is legal.
You said: israel withdrew in 2005
Israel withdrew illegal Jewish colonists in Gaza and illegal military bases in 2005. It put the illegal colonists in other parts of Occupied Palestine still illegal. ISRAEL DID NOT END THE OCCUPATION AS Amira Hass stated in Haaretz, earlier this year.
ISRAEL ISSUES ID CARDS TO EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN INCLUDING THOSE IN THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP. Israel remained the military colonial ruler of all of Palestine.
Israel used Gaza to test its weapons, limited food supplies, bombed farmlands, shot farmers, shot fisherman, prevented medical aid and did everything it could to kill as many of the prisoners in Gaza and to make their life impossible.
Your analogy with Jews and Nazis is the wrong way around. Zionist Israel equates with Nazi Germany and the Jews equate with the Palestinian Christians and Muslims.
Israel does not need gas chambers when it has bombs, bullets, starvation and denial of medical aid and clean water. But the end result is the same.
As to the Palestinians being a threat to world Jewry, get real. Most Jews do not even live in what is called Israel and the Palestinian Resistance has no army, navy or air force. Hamas has stated, in 2017, it has no issue with Jews, just with their Zionist Israeli colonial rulers. Catch up.