On the contrary. I know almost all the facts. I don’t follow a one sided narrative that does not contain all the facts. Fact Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed. Palestine never existed as a country nation state for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to…
On the contrary. I know almost all the facts. I don’t follow a one sided narrative that does not contain all the facts. Fact Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed. Palestine never existed as a country nation state for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one. Fact is israel exists as a nation state so deal with it and accept or move away you are wasting your time with dire tribe otherwise seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
You said: Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed.
FACT. Israel is a terrorist state and there are more Jewish terrorists than Islamic. People of sanity and conscience agree they must be removed.
FACT: Israel calls Hamas a terrorist group but most countries in the world and the UN do not agree. The Germans also said the French Resistance were terrorists. That is what brutal occupiers do.
You said: Palestine never existed as a country nation state
Most countries in the world did not exist as nation states until the late 19th century when the concept took hold. It is irrelevant. Palestine has been occupied for a thousand years so it was not going to be a nation state in the 19th century. However, it will be in the 21st century.
You said: for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one.
FACT: Palestine and Palestinians were mentioned numerous times by the Egyptians more than 5000 years ago. It has been a country for longer than most others. Israel was invented in 1947. Israel is a brutal colonial entity in Palestine. Remember, 76 years is nothing compared to the fact that the Portugese were sent packing after more than 500 years in Angola. Israel is nothing but a half blink in time compared to that.
You said: israel exists as a nation state so deal with it
FACT: Since Israel has no declared borders and indeed there is no Israeli nationality, logically Israel does not even exist. And Nazi Germany was a nation state which was dismantled for its atrocities. The same will happen with Zionist Israel for the same reasons. Nothing about being a nation state protects anyone.
You said: seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
Israel has destroyed itself. It was founded on racism, hatred, arrogance, elitism and colonial supremacy. But most people of intelligence and conscience do seek the destruction of fascist, terrorist states. Why would they not? Israel is a travesty in the world. It is a depraved, sadistic, bestial and savage culture, society and State which has inflicted the longest holocaust in modern history and one of the most genocidal and cruel military colonial occupations in all of history on Palestine.
The courage, nobility of spirit and integrity of the Palestinians against such evil stands as a testament to humanity.
It is NOT fact that israel is a terrorist - this is just your opinion and are feeble one at that. The audacity to say israel does NOT exist when it does in fact and law and customary conventions. The that you claim otherwise and have radical left half wits or others that claim this proves my point… it is simply deluded to claim that Israel does NOT exist. How do you claim to be an impartial journalist It has defined borders as Israel proper. …And the so called Palestinian Territories ( that is disputed land ) belong with seperate rule by PA and Hamas actually belongs to who ? Egypt or Jordan did have a claim to it until they the lost the 67 war - technically belongs to Israel now under the utti POSSIDETIS Juris legal principle but you would reject that with your one sided narrative. Get educated. You can go and peddle your rubbish about Nazi Germany with Israel is a blatant blood libel. Germany does exist but the evils of Nazi was eliminated just like Hamas / Islamic jihad terrorists ought to be eliminated from Gaza and even the West Bank ( Judea Samaria ) and Hezbollah should be removed from bankrupt Lebanon who the majority of Lebanese Sunnis and Christian’s do not want them- do not want their country Lebanon being taken over by an Iran Shia religious theocratic proxy but that’s a seperate issue..
You said: The audacity to say israel does NOT exist when it does in fact and law and customary conventions.
Israel does not exist in law and customary conventions count for nothing. My point was, in technical terms because no Israelis exist, the only nationality is Jew and because Israel has no declared borders, the state of Israel does not exist.
You said: How do you claim to be an impartial journalist It has defined borders as Israel proper.
What are those borders? Please provide proof of declared borders for Israel. The last few times I saw Netanyahu waving maps around it showed all of Palestine as Israel and we know that is not the case in law.
Are you saying the UN recommendation are the legal borders for Israel? That would need to be tested in a court of law. Since Israel has reneged on all the recommendations made, i.e. fair and just treatment of the Palestinians and freedom for them in what was left of their land, we can assume that the UN recommendation was null and void from 1947.
You said:And the so called Palestinian Territories ( that is disputed land ) belong with seperate rule by PA and Hamas actually belongs to who ?
Israel calls them disputed but they are not disputed. Neither are they territories. What Israel calls the West Bank and Gaza are Occupied Palestine, which under international law, is illegal under Israeli military occupation rule.
You said: Egypt or Jordan did have a claim to it until they the lost the 67 war - technically belongs to Israel
Since the right of conquest was ditched in 1945, no-one can claim land taken in war. And in that regard Israel is totally illegitimate. Occupation does not negate the existence of a country in law or reality.
You said: You said: It is NOT fact that israel is a terrorist - this is just your opinion
it is not an opinion, it is fact. Please take the definition of the word and then study Zionist and Israeli histories.
terrorism
/ˈtɛrərɪz(ə)m/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
In 1947/48 Zionists and Jews invaded Palestine and slaughtered tens of thousands of Palestinians in more than 70 massacres. That is terrorism.
They also wiped from the face of the earth 530 Palestinian towns and villages. That is terrorism.
They drove out close to an million Palestinians. That is terrorism.
Since 1948 Israel has waged war many times and used it to kill, dispossess and drive out Palestinians. That is terrorism.
Eighteen years ago Israel turned Gaza into a concentration camp which it regularly bombs. That is terrorism. More than half the population are children.
Israel invades homes in the middle of the night and kidnaps children and imprisons and tortures them. That is terrorism.
Israel regularly destroys and demolishes Palestinian homes. That is terrorism.
Israel has built an apartheid wall across Occupied Palestine. That is terrorism.
I could go on. The facts of Israeli terrorism have been recorded by Israeli, Palestinian and international human rights groups for nearly 80 years.
Israel regularly attacks Lebanon, Syria, Iran - that is terrorism.
You said: It is NOT fact that israel is a terrorist - this is just your opinion
it is not an opinion, it is fact. Please take the definition of the word and then study Zionist and Israeli histories.
terrorism
/ˈtɛrərɪz(ə)m/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
In 1947/48 Zionists and Jews invaded Palestine and slaughtered tens of thousands of Palestinians in more than 70 massacres. That is terrorism.
They also wiped from the face of the earth 530 Palestinian towns and villages. That is terrorism.
They drove out close to an million Palestinians. That is terrorism.
Since 1948 Israel has waged war many times and used it to kill, dispossess and drive out Palestinians. That is terrorism.
Eighteen years ago Israel turned Gaza into a concentration camp which it regularly bombs. That is terrorism. More than half the population are children.
Israel invades homes in the middle of the night and kidnaps children and imprisons and tortures them. That is terrorism.
Israel regularly destroys and demolishes Palestinian homes. That is terrorism.
Israel has built an apartheid wall across Occupied Palestine. That is terrorism.
Israel tortures Palestinian men, women and children. That is terrorism.
Israel uses rape as a weapon of colonial rule, including of children. That is terrorism.
I could go on. The facts of Israeli terrorism have been recorded by Israeli, Palestinian and international human rights groups for nearly 80 years.
Israel regularly attacks Lebanon, Syria, Iran - that is terrorism.
I do not support genocide and Israel is not committing genocide . It is Hamas that has attempted genocide innocent Israelis on Oct 7 and prior.. no I do not support anything inhumane but your assertions should be attributed to Hamas and Islamic jihadi and its racists acts - where are the Jews in Gaza after 2005 when ISREAL withdrew ? Where are the Jews in the 20 plus ethno - nationalist almost pure Arab states ? None so your hypocrisy and ignore face and double standard is telling. So those Arab states are not racist but Israel set up as Jewish majority state is ? Ok yeah righto. Get lost ……
Since international lawyers, the ICC and ICJ and UN have all declared it is genocide why pretend it is not?
And really, as if the breakout from the Gaza concentration camp on October 7 represented genocide, the destruction and eradication of Israelis when the State has the fourth largest military in the world and is backed by the biggest.
Israel did not withdraw from Gaza, it turned it into a prison and it could not let Jews go back there because its plan was to bomb the place regularly to test its weapons and Jews might be hurt. Remember the life of one Jew is equal to a hundred thousand non-Jews as Israel has demonstrated since October 7.
Oh, and most of the dead Israelis, 1,149 from October 7 were killed by their own military. Incineration by Hellfire Missiles fired into the fleeing music festival crowd and kibbutz homes. Israeli survivors have stated that and the Palestinians do not have the weapons to incinerate people, homes, cars as happened, nor the helicopters to deliver them.
Under the Hannibal Directive the Israeli army murdered Israelis and blamed it on Hamas.
Ethnic cleansing is genocide. It has been Zionist policy from the start.
As early as 1895, Theodor Herzl, the founder of the contemporary Zionist movement, identified the necessity of removing the inhabitants of Palestine in the following terms:
“We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country … expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”
David Ben-Gurion (née Grün), Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, and later Israel’s first prime minister, was more blunt. In a 1937 letter to his son, he wrote: “We must expel the Arabs and take their place.”
Writing in his diary in 1940, Yosef Weitz, a senior Jewish National Fund official who chaired the influential Transfer Committee before and during the Nakba (“Catastrophe”), and became known as the Architect of Transfer, put it thus:
“The only solution is a Land of Israel devoid of Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. They must all be moved. Not one village, not one tribe, can remain. Only through this transfer of the Arabs living in the Land of Israel will redemption come.” His diaries are littered with similar sentiments. NB: Arabs is the euphemism the Zionists and Israelis use for non-Jews.
I do not support genocide and Israel is not committing genocide . It is Hamas that has attempted genocide innocent Israelis on Oct 7 and prior.. no I do not support anything inhumane but your assertions attributed to Hamas and Islamic jihadi and its racism - where are the Jews in Gaza after 2005 when ISREAL withdrew ? Where are the Jews in the 20 plus ethno - nationalist almost pure Arab states ? None so your hypocrisy and ignore face and double standard is telling. So those Arab states are not racist but Israel set up as Jewish majority state is ? Ok yeah righto. Get lost
Listen, James, you can barely write coherently, let alone factually.
As so many who have nothing other than opinionated self-regard, populist myth and prejudiced disinformation, when faced with evidence you choose to ignore it and simply repeat a nonsensical rant.
I suggest that before you continue your appallingly bigoted and abusive false dialogue, that you at least learn to write coherent English or, if you are not a native English speaker, that you write coherently in your own native language so that readers can translate it and read something that makes sense.
If you cannot or will not do that, I suggest you go and join the MAGA populists who revel in lies, misinformation, disinformation, myth, exaggeration and outrageously preposterous and vile allegations.
There is no relevant: "On the contrary" in what you say and certainly your diatribe, (excuse me for spelling it correctly), shows not one shred of evidence or accuracy. It is as spurious and just as defamatory as Trump's claim that a particular group in Springfield are eating the pets of other residents.
Now, before I really lose my patience, I suggest you go away and stay away unless and until you learn about and understand the reality of what you chooses to write about.
The fact that you make false assumptions about me and others says it all… You are being woefully pathetic. I am not even a Maga to even suggest o should join them but that comment says it’s all as you have blanket false audacity to imply or say that all Magas are ignorant.. your DIATRIBE yes but you are dire to get the meaning regardless so it’s your semantics… Patience is also a virtue which you don’t have. Believing false narratives and telling me I’m stupid. So if people are poor and dyslexic you would dictate to them to write and call them bigoted and look down upon them - it’s you that is bigoted judging by your belief in your false proven narrative you purport to be fact.
if any typos on here exist they are from predictive text errors but If you say I’m bigoted or that I should Maga means it’s you that is yes incoherent bigoted with your sanctimonious meaningless preaching that your/ the one sided Palestine flawed narrative that you ignorantly claim as fact is just that FLAWED AND FALSE..
you have not backed one part of your narrative as proven you just claim to believe it all when I say the Palestine narrative is flawed. I will continue to post and speak as I please that the Palestine one sided narrative is flawed and that is fact..
"Believing false narratives and telling me I’m stupid."
* I don't believe false narratives. That is what you do, as anyone can prove if they care to do some basic searching on the topic, let alone researching on the topic. -Clearly you have done neither.
* I haven't told you that you are "stupid."
* I haven't said that you support "MAGA"
* I haven't said that "all Magas are ignorant" - though it is likely the case.
"your DIATRIBE yes but you are dire to get the meaning regardless so it's your semantics..." ??? What is that supposed to mean? As I suggested, please learn the language and how to use it properly if you must insist on making a fool of yourself online.
"So if people are poor and dyslexic you would dictate to them to write and call them bigoted and look down upon "
* That is false logic. Indeed, anyone who takes the time to look at my many online contributions will see that I have continually supported and defended the disadvantaged and the underdog and never put down the genuinely 'ignorant', i.e. those who are unschooled or illiterate through no fault of their own.
"it's you that is bigoted judging by your belief in your false proven narrative you purport to be fact."
* I am not bigoted, no matter how I am judged, unless unfairly or erroneously
* I have nowhere used a "belief in" any "false proven narrative", whatever that is supposed to mean so I cannot have purported that to be fact.
I am, actually, an extremely patient person. However, my patience with you has now, I admit, run thin. The last. two paragraphs of your comment are, if anything, even worse gibberish and false assertion than the previous one and I'm not prepared to take the time to rebuff them for any intelligent reader can gauge their crassness for themselves.
I will just say that, your continual repetition of misguided and simply inaccurate statements and your denial of actual facts as falsities, is a sign of ignorance and stubborn bias.
I don't know how much you learned in school but certainly you couldn't have done very well in the areas of language, comprehension, logic, argument or information analysis and verification.
Your vituperative comments and tone and exceedingly inadequate use of language are unfortunate, at best. What is worse, however, is that you do what is so ubiquitous today, which is to 'blame the victim.' Those who do so repel me for in doing so they demonstrate ignorance, naivety, the worst of conditioning and/or compassionless self importance.
So, James Jenkins, my patience for reading your scurrilous nonsense has indeed run out. Please go away and shout your specious and disingenuous tirade to the fools who are too ignorant, uninformed or callous to recognise it for what it is.
I suspect English is a second language for young James and he or she is earning a bit of extra money sitting in some Tel Aviv bunker trying to counter the dissemination of facts around the world.
It very much seems that such is a likely scenario. However, I wonder, if that is the case, does whoever is behind it not realise how transparently ludicrous is the whole exercise?
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
p.s. And thank you for standing up against prejudice and blaming the victim. We need people such as yourself if we are to build a more equitable world.
You may well be right, Roslyn. My only reservation about what you say is that AI usually produces relatively accurate grammatical and syntactically appropriate text. James Jenkins offerings, to me, appear to be at perhaps the level of a 10 year old or worse.
However, as Jonathan Swift said some 300 years ago: It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. (J.Swift. 1667-1745). So, perhaps I am my own worst enemy for trying to do what is useless.
I apologise but for the first time ever and after contributing online since before the WWW, when all was text and all we had was dumb terminals and bulleting boards, I have blocked someone - James Jenkins.
I am tired. I am disturbed. I am frustrated. I am depressed, That people can be so lacking in compassion, so conditioned in prejudice, so ignorant and opposed to learning, is sad indeed.
All that keeps me going now is people such as yourself who are capable of and take the time to ascertain the facts, to comprehend them and to tell the truth. Unfortunately, conditioning is insidious and ubiquitous. Our political leaders - of all persuasions and with few exceptions - are just as guilty.
I now live only because I have one friend, my Belgian Shepherd, Lennie. Once he's gone, I fully intend to join him because the extent of immoral insensibility and rampant disinformation, lies and prejudice seems not only to be prevalent in dictatorships and autocracies but now in so-called free nations who consider themselves democracies.
I am horrified at the way immigrants and refugees are demeaned and attacked and how materialism, fifteen minutes of fame and fancy assets are seen as indicators of success.
Humanity could achieve so much. Technology and scientifically it has. In the sense of human relationships, understanding, collaboration and caring, it appears it has achieved little.
Well you may be right about AI but since computers/robots cannot do context I am not so sure they are as credible as they appear.
I understand your feelings and thoughts. I suspect the world was always inhabited by many foolish, ignorant, unkind, fearful people. It is just that in times past, even a generation ago, people lived in smaller worlds of family and community. Now we are engulfed in the entire nation and the world, constantly through the internet and self discipline and self care are needed more than ever.
If I have learned anything in the past 30 years living and working around the world, calling a dozen countries home and reading a lot of history, it is that human nature has changed very little. With technological development that makes us very dangerous indeed because the silliness and ignorance is also a part of the scientific system of enquiry, far more than it ever was in centuries past. And science as a system of curious exploration of life and the world, is now a system of greed and power which long ago sold its soul to corporations and Government.
We are at a seminal point where we need to identify the deep flaws in our world, cultures and societies and older citizens need, I believe, to play a vital role because we remember a world before 'it was all 'about the clicks.' And we were well educated in comparison to the agenda-driven, semi-literate brainwashing which is the education system in most of the Western world today.
Roslyn, I think that we are very much on the same page - or very close to it.
I do doubt that science is any more ignorant or subject to mistakes that become the norm than it ever was. I feel that way because there are countless examples from the past of pseudo-science and genuine errors that were perceived as fact. The flat Earth, the notion of the sun orbiting the Earth; that bleeding was a cure for all manner of ailments; that a dark room and bed rest was essential for treatment of many illnesses; that all manner of common mental dysfunction was seen as 'evil' or, at best, insanity and etc.
I also still feel that there scientists remain who are willing to stand against corrupt corporations and fellows who will distort research to support the needs of the highest bidder.
Conflict and wars, too, have existed for as long as homo sapiens has lived. In most cases, (if not all), these have been, as now, generally provoked and instigated by a single demagogue or a small clique, not least those driven by various religious leaders - all, curiously, with 'God' on their side.
However, I do agree with your sentiments regarding life largely in small and localised community where even physical travel was extremely limited and many never moved more than a few miles from their homes within their lifetimes. There were many exceptions of course: adventurers, explorers, traders, and of course, those aimed on conquering, enslaving and theft.
However, I agree with you about the impact of the Internet, particularly since its graphical interface with the advent of the World Wide Web and now the ubiquitous mobile phone, with which it seems, babies are born very ready to use and never ever put aside.
As an educator I also agree with you about modern curricula and the many issues there with both education systems and schooling. Despite the reality that Finland has only State Schools but by many counts is considered to have the best school system in the World, I see countless working class and 'middle-class', (I don't believe such really exists), people working two jobs or more in order to send their children to private schools. Those schools are no better, in essence, they simply have better funding - hence better facilities and because they are attended by the children of the wealthy, they have the advantage of progress through 'who you know', rather than 'what you know.' Yes, of course there are exceptions. In Australia, for instance, we have a tri-partite school system of State, Catholic and Private schools. Many of the Catholic schools, particularly, cater to the financially poor whilst also having some elite schools that are as elite as most private ones.
Another issue with 'education' is that too many confuse 'schooling' with it. As well, it is increasingly common for 'education' to be spoken of as the solution to almost any societal issue. Where that issue involves children, it is almost certain to find its way into an already over-crowded curricula and understaffed, underfunded State system.
Schooling, of course, is far more about socialisation than about education. It is a major contributor to the perpetuation of social mores and traits and has a major influence on adult views because of how and what is taught. It is one of the reasons, in my view, as to why those who wish to censor or push a particular agenda, often have considerable success.
It ails me that our curricula are increasingly dominated by Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics, not because I regard those areas as unimportant but because it is happening at the expense of the humanities and it is the effect of learning in the humanities that is needed to keep those other areas in check and to build a more equitable and humane society. (IMHO)
So, as I suggested at the start, not a great divergence of opinion between us, I think, indeed possibly not one at all. Certainly I value the contributions you have made here and only wish there were more that spoke as honestly, respectfully and with an informed rather than opinionated view.
A lot of disinformation has come from modern science in regard to the past in order to promote itself as the arbiter and fount of all knowledge.
The fact is that it was not a common belief that the world was flat. Astrologers, who later became astronomers, did not believe the world was flat and neither did navigators observing horizons. They believed the earth was round or spherical. Yes for a long time there was a strong belief that the sun orbited the earth but again, not by all. Knowledge in the past was for the educated, of whom a few were polymaths and not for the ordinary people. Even then ordinary people sailed the world and traversed great tracts of land where a curved horizon could be seen.
It is interesting that you mention bleeding as a medical treatment. I see it in the same realms as modern antibiotics. There was value in bleeding but it was used too much, too often, and became too experimental. The same applies to antibiotics. Both became wasted resources.
Bloodletting makes physiological sense. Loss of blood stimulates a repair and restore response in the body. In fact the practice has re-emerged today, as has the use of leeches and of maggots to clean wounds. Minimal of course, but still recognised as having science-medical validity.
I suspect a dark room and bed rest were invaluable and perhaps we have so much chronic disease today because people do not take to their beds and rest but pop a pill and go to work.
Attitudes to mental illness were simply how humans tried to explain what they did not understand. I am not sure believing someone was possessed was worse than the modern practice of taking the vagaries of human nature in children and labelling them, i.e. Oppositional Defiance Disorder.
I agree there are still some scientists and medical professions with integrity but they are few and far between. And, since systems drive behaviour, the system makes it almost impossible for them to speak out or to challenge the running narrative. We saw this with Covid. As someone said, science advances one death at a time. I have read a lot of science and medical history and because they are systems run by humans they are as flawed as any other.
Yes, war has always been with us and the irony is that Western nations, particularly the US, see themselves as civilized and advanced and yet they have been the major warmongers.
I agree with you on the education system in Australia although I think the problems pervade the Western world to varying degrees. I think one factor is that there are too many women in education and not enough men. Too many men is also a problem but in a different way. Balance is critical and we do not have it.
I remember reading long ago a description of masculine and feminine qualities, and we all have both as humans, with men more of the masculine and women more of the feminine. Masculine quality is focused consciousness and feminine diffuse awareness. When balanced we have things right.
The nurturing energy of females, historically, can blur clear focus and create systems which lack structure. This is why I believe schools have been taken over by political and social agendas. Children need to learn to read, write, add up and behave themselves and the rest they can explore when they grow up. It is little wonder we are sending semi-literates to university. But making university available to all when it should be for the best and brightest, and turning it into a money-making machine for even more semi-literate Third World students, has degraded it even more.
No doubt in all of it there are valuable lessons for us to learn. We are all on a journey of discovery and a quest of becoming.
I choose to believe that there are always enough people in the world to fight for justice and integrity and that even those who may falter, will in time find the courage to support such a fight. It behoves every one of us to defend principles of justice, rule of law, democracy, human rights and common human decency.
I have great compassion for Israelis because they are a truly sick society and unable to help themselves. They were founded in hatred, bigotry and fear, all of which the Zionists exploited and promoted, and they locked themselves into a prison of their own making which was always doomed.
The depravity and bestial savagery demonstrated by Israeli soldiers in particular, and most Israelis serve in the military, has been sadistic to the point of pure evil for all of Israel's existence. Such a psychology can only poison those who brew in it and corrode their culture and their humanity.
In some ways it is the Israelis who need to be freed from Ziorael far more urgently than the Palestinians.
Fully agree, Roslyn. We need to be compassionate for so many are insidiously conditioned. I have no religion but perhaps, in this context, a statement attributed to Jesus in the Christian Bible is perhaps appropriate:
"Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
I follow no religion, have studied many and have my own concept of what might be called God. I think the spiritual teachings in all religions are of value and those of Jesus some of the best. Although they have also been found in transcriptions of the ancient Egyptian religion of the Great Mother, the Goddess Isis and her saviour-redeemer son.
Yes, forgive them for they know not what they do. And Do unto others as you would have them do unto you are creeds I value.
We are wasting each others time I think. You are following a one sided narrative but you say you only follow facts .. not true by your assertions alone claiming the narrative is all true. You FAILED.. goodbye sir
I have "failed", shouted or not, at nothing, James. I haven't been attempting to prove a point only to counter an invalid one. It is you that has such a closed mind and obsessive intention to shout your misguide and opinionated falsities to the world.
You may claim that what I've said isn't true. That doesn't make it untrue. Indeed, anyone of even average intelligence can check the facts for themselves. I don't have to persuade them.
On the contrary. I know almost all the facts. I don’t follow a one sided narrative that does not contain all the facts. Fact Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed. Palestine never existed as a country nation state for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one. Fact is israel exists as a nation state so deal with it and accept or move away you are wasting your time with dire tribe otherwise seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
You said: Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed.
FACT. Israel is a terrorist state and there are more Jewish terrorists than Islamic. People of sanity and conscience agree they must be removed.
FACT: Israel calls Hamas a terrorist group but most countries in the world and the UN do not agree. The Germans also said the French Resistance were terrorists. That is what brutal occupiers do.
You said: Palestine never existed as a country nation state
Most countries in the world did not exist as nation states until the late 19th century when the concept took hold. It is irrelevant. Palestine has been occupied for a thousand years so it was not going to be a nation state in the 19th century. However, it will be in the 21st century.
You said: for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one.
FACT: Palestine and Palestinians were mentioned numerous times by the Egyptians more than 5000 years ago. It has been a country for longer than most others. Israel was invented in 1947. Israel is a brutal colonial entity in Palestine. Remember, 76 years is nothing compared to the fact that the Portugese were sent packing after more than 500 years in Angola. Israel is nothing but a half blink in time compared to that.
You said: israel exists as a nation state so deal with it
FACT: Since Israel has no declared borders and indeed there is no Israeli nationality, logically Israel does not even exist. And Nazi Germany was a nation state which was dismantled for its atrocities. The same will happen with Zionist Israel for the same reasons. Nothing about being a nation state protects anyone.
You said: seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
Israel has destroyed itself. It was founded on racism, hatred, arrogance, elitism and colonial supremacy. But most people of intelligence and conscience do seek the destruction of fascist, terrorist states. Why would they not? Israel is a travesty in the world. It is a depraved, sadistic, bestial and savage culture, society and State which has inflicted the longest holocaust in modern history and one of the most genocidal and cruel military colonial occupations in all of history on Palestine.
The courage, nobility of spirit and integrity of the Palestinians against such evil stands as a testament to humanity.
Hear, Hear!
It is NOT fact that israel is a terrorist - this is just your opinion and are feeble one at that. The audacity to say israel does NOT exist when it does in fact and law and customary conventions. The that you claim otherwise and have radical left half wits or others that claim this proves my point… it is simply deluded to claim that Israel does NOT exist. How do you claim to be an impartial journalist It has defined borders as Israel proper. …And the so called Palestinian Territories ( that is disputed land ) belong with seperate rule by PA and Hamas actually belongs to who ? Egypt or Jordan did have a claim to it until they the lost the 67 war - technically belongs to Israel now under the utti POSSIDETIS Juris legal principle but you would reject that with your one sided narrative. Get educated. You can go and peddle your rubbish about Nazi Germany with Israel is a blatant blood libel. Germany does exist but the evils of Nazi was eliminated just like Hamas / Islamic jihad terrorists ought to be eliminated from Gaza and even the West Bank ( Judea Samaria ) and Hezbollah should be removed from bankrupt Lebanon who the majority of Lebanese Sunnis and Christian’s do not want them- do not want their country Lebanon being taken over by an Iran Shia religious theocratic proxy but that’s a seperate issue..
You said: The audacity to say israel does NOT exist when it does in fact and law and customary conventions.
Israel does not exist in law and customary conventions count for nothing. My point was, in technical terms because no Israelis exist, the only nationality is Jew and because Israel has no declared borders, the state of Israel does not exist.
You said: How do you claim to be an impartial journalist It has defined borders as Israel proper.
What are those borders? Please provide proof of declared borders for Israel. The last few times I saw Netanyahu waving maps around it showed all of Palestine as Israel and we know that is not the case in law.
Are you saying the UN recommendation are the legal borders for Israel? That would need to be tested in a court of law. Since Israel has reneged on all the recommendations made, i.e. fair and just treatment of the Palestinians and freedom for them in what was left of their land, we can assume that the UN recommendation was null and void from 1947.
You said:And the so called Palestinian Territories ( that is disputed land ) belong with seperate rule by PA and Hamas actually belongs to who ?
Israel calls them disputed but they are not disputed. Neither are they territories. What Israel calls the West Bank and Gaza are Occupied Palestine, which under international law, is illegal under Israeli military occupation rule.
You said: Egypt or Jordan did have a claim to it until they the lost the 67 war - technically belongs to Israel
Since the right of conquest was ditched in 1945, no-one can claim land taken in war. And in that regard Israel is totally illegitimate. Occupation does not negate the existence of a country in law or reality.
You said: You said: It is NOT fact that israel is a terrorist - this is just your opinion
it is not an opinion, it is fact. Please take the definition of the word and then study Zionist and Israeli histories.
terrorism
/ˈtɛrərɪz(ə)m/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
In 1947/48 Zionists and Jews invaded Palestine and slaughtered tens of thousands of Palestinians in more than 70 massacres. That is terrorism.
They also wiped from the face of the earth 530 Palestinian towns and villages. That is terrorism.
They drove out close to an million Palestinians. That is terrorism.
Since 1948 Israel has waged war many times and used it to kill, dispossess and drive out Palestinians. That is terrorism.
Eighteen years ago Israel turned Gaza into a concentration camp which it regularly bombs. That is terrorism. More than half the population are children.
Israel invades homes in the middle of the night and kidnaps children and imprisons and tortures them. That is terrorism.
Israel regularly destroys and demolishes Palestinian homes. That is terrorism.
Israel has built an apartheid wall across Occupied Palestine. That is terrorism.
I could go on. The facts of Israeli terrorism have been recorded by Israeli, Palestinian and international human rights groups for nearly 80 years.
Israel regularly attacks Lebanon, Syria, Iran - that is terrorism.
Israel is and always was a terrorist state.
You said: It is NOT fact that israel is a terrorist - this is just your opinion
it is not an opinion, it is fact. Please take the definition of the word and then study Zionist and Israeli histories.
terrorism
/ˈtɛrərɪz(ə)m/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
In 1947/48 Zionists and Jews invaded Palestine and slaughtered tens of thousands of Palestinians in more than 70 massacres. That is terrorism.
They also wiped from the face of the earth 530 Palestinian towns and villages. That is terrorism.
They drove out close to an million Palestinians. That is terrorism.
Since 1948 Israel has waged war many times and used it to kill, dispossess and drive out Palestinians. That is terrorism.
Eighteen years ago Israel turned Gaza into a concentration camp which it regularly bombs. That is terrorism. More than half the population are children.
Israel invades homes in the middle of the night and kidnaps children and imprisons and tortures them. That is terrorism.
Israel regularly destroys and demolishes Palestinian homes. That is terrorism.
Israel has built an apartheid wall across Occupied Palestine. That is terrorism.
Israel tortures Palestinian men, women and children. That is terrorism.
Israel uses rape as a weapon of colonial rule, including of children. That is terrorism.
I could go on. The facts of Israeli terrorism have been recorded by Israeli, Palestinian and international human rights groups for nearly 80 years.
Israel regularly attacks Lebanon, Syria, Iran - that is terrorism.
Israel is and always was a terrorist state.
@James Jenkins,
I would ask you the following questions:
1. do you support occupation?
2. do you support colonisation?
3. do you support genocide?
4. do you support ethnic cleansing?
5. do you support torture and rape?
6. do you support imprisonment, including of children, without charge or trial?
7. do you support denial of human and civil rights?
8. do you support a belief that non-Jews, are subhuman?
9. do you support collective punishment?
10. do you support targeting civilians?
11. do you support might is right?
12. do you support racism?
To support Israel, as you appear to do, you must say YES to every question? I await your response.
Correction
I do not support genocide and Israel is not committing genocide . It is Hamas that has attempted genocide innocent Israelis on Oct 7 and prior.. no I do not support anything inhumane but your assertions should be attributed to Hamas and Islamic jihadi and its racists acts - where are the Jews in Gaza after 2005 when ISREAL withdrew ? Where are the Jews in the 20 plus ethno - nationalist almost pure Arab states ? None so your hypocrisy and ignore face and double standard is telling. So those Arab states are not racist but Israel set up as Jewish majority state is ? Ok yeah righto. Get lost ……
Since international lawyers, the ICC and ICJ and UN have all declared it is genocide why pretend it is not?
And really, as if the breakout from the Gaza concentration camp on October 7 represented genocide, the destruction and eradication of Israelis when the State has the fourth largest military in the world and is backed by the biggest.
Israel did not withdraw from Gaza, it turned it into a prison and it could not let Jews go back there because its plan was to bomb the place regularly to test its weapons and Jews might be hurt. Remember the life of one Jew is equal to a hundred thousand non-Jews as Israel has demonstrated since October 7.
Oh, and most of the dead Israelis, 1,149 from October 7 were killed by their own military. Incineration by Hellfire Missiles fired into the fleeing music festival crowd and kibbutz homes. Israeli survivors have stated that and the Palestinians do not have the weapons to incinerate people, homes, cars as happened, nor the helicopters to deliver them.
Under the Hannibal Directive the Israeli army murdered Israelis and blamed it on Hamas.
Ethnic cleansing is genocide. It has been Zionist policy from the start.
As early as 1895, Theodor Herzl, the founder of the contemporary Zionist movement, identified the necessity of removing the inhabitants of Palestine in the following terms:
“We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country … expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”
David Ben-Gurion (née Grün), Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, and later Israel’s first prime minister, was more blunt. In a 1937 letter to his son, he wrote: “We must expel the Arabs and take their place.”
Writing in his diary in 1940, Yosef Weitz, a senior Jewish National Fund official who chaired the influential Transfer Committee before and during the Nakba (“Catastrophe”), and became known as the Architect of Transfer, put it thus:
“The only solution is a Land of Israel devoid of Arabs. There is no room here for compromise. They must all be moved. Not one village, not one tribe, can remain. Only through this transfer of the Arabs living in the Land of Israel will redemption come.” His diaries are littered with similar sentiments. NB: Arabs is the euphemism the Zionists and Israelis use for non-Jews.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/12/the-long-history-of-zionist-proposals-to-ethnically-cleanse-the-gaza-strip/
I do not support genocide and Israel is not committing genocide . It is Hamas that has attempted genocide innocent Israelis on Oct 7 and prior.. no I do not support anything inhumane but your assertions attributed to Hamas and Islamic jihadi and its racism - where are the Jews in Gaza after 2005 when ISREAL withdrew ? Where are the Jews in the 20 plus ethno - nationalist almost pure Arab states ? None so your hypocrisy and ignore face and double standard is telling. So those Arab states are not racist but Israel set up as Jewish majority state is ? Ok yeah righto. Get lost
Listen, James, you can barely write coherently, let alone factually.
As so many who have nothing other than opinionated self-regard, populist myth and prejudiced disinformation, when faced with evidence you choose to ignore it and simply repeat a nonsensical rant.
I suggest that before you continue your appallingly bigoted and abusive false dialogue, that you at least learn to write coherent English or, if you are not a native English speaker, that you write coherently in your own native language so that readers can translate it and read something that makes sense.
If you cannot or will not do that, I suggest you go and join the MAGA populists who revel in lies, misinformation, disinformation, myth, exaggeration and outrageously preposterous and vile allegations.
There is no relevant: "On the contrary" in what you say and certainly your diatribe, (excuse me for spelling it correctly), shows not one shred of evidence or accuracy. It is as spurious and just as defamatory as Trump's claim that a particular group in Springfield are eating the pets of other residents.
Now, before I really lose my patience, I suggest you go away and stay away unless and until you learn about and understand the reality of what you chooses to write about.
The fact that you make false assumptions about me and others says it all… You are being woefully pathetic. I am not even a Maga to even suggest o should join them but that comment says it’s all as you have blanket false audacity to imply or say that all Magas are ignorant.. your DIATRIBE yes but you are dire to get the meaning regardless so it’s your semantics… Patience is also a virtue which you don’t have. Believing false narratives and telling me I’m stupid. So if people are poor and dyslexic you would dictate to them to write and call them bigoted and look down upon them - it’s you that is bigoted judging by your belief in your false proven narrative you purport to be fact.
if any typos on here exist they are from predictive text errors but If you say I’m bigoted or that I should Maga means it’s you that is yes incoherent bigoted with your sanctimonious meaningless preaching that your/ the one sided Palestine flawed narrative that you ignorantly claim as fact is just that FLAWED AND FALSE..
you have not backed one part of your narrative as proven you just claim to believe it all when I say the Palestine narrative is flawed. I will continue to post and speak as I please that the Palestine one sided narrative is flawed and that is fact..
"Believing false narratives and telling me I’m stupid."
* I don't believe false narratives. That is what you do, as anyone can prove if they care to do some basic searching on the topic, let alone researching on the topic. -Clearly you have done neither.
* I haven't told you that you are "stupid."
* I haven't said that you support "MAGA"
* I haven't said that "all Magas are ignorant" - though it is likely the case.
"your DIATRIBE yes but you are dire to get the meaning regardless so it's your semantics..." ??? What is that supposed to mean? As I suggested, please learn the language and how to use it properly if you must insist on making a fool of yourself online.
"So if people are poor and dyslexic you would dictate to them to write and call them bigoted and look down upon "
* That is false logic. Indeed, anyone who takes the time to look at my many online contributions will see that I have continually supported and defended the disadvantaged and the underdog and never put down the genuinely 'ignorant', i.e. those who are unschooled or illiterate through no fault of their own.
"it's you that is bigoted judging by your belief in your false proven narrative you purport to be fact."
* I am not bigoted, no matter how I am judged, unless unfairly or erroneously
* I have nowhere used a "belief in" any "false proven narrative", whatever that is supposed to mean so I cannot have purported that to be fact.
I am, actually, an extremely patient person. However, my patience with you has now, I admit, run thin. The last. two paragraphs of your comment are, if anything, even worse gibberish and false assertion than the previous one and I'm not prepared to take the time to rebuff them for any intelligent reader can gauge their crassness for themselves.
I will just say that, your continual repetition of misguided and simply inaccurate statements and your denial of actual facts as falsities, is a sign of ignorance and stubborn bias.
I don't know how much you learned in school but certainly you couldn't have done very well in the areas of language, comprehension, logic, argument or information analysis and verification.
Your vituperative comments and tone and exceedingly inadequate use of language are unfortunate, at best. What is worse, however, is that you do what is so ubiquitous today, which is to 'blame the victim.' Those who do so repel me for in doing so they demonstrate ignorance, naivety, the worst of conditioning and/or compassionless self importance.
So, James Jenkins, my patience for reading your scurrilous nonsense has indeed run out. Please go away and shout your specious and disingenuous tirade to the fools who are too ignorant, uninformed or callous to recognise it for what it is.
I suspect English is a second language for young James and he or she is earning a bit of extra money sitting in some Tel Aviv bunker trying to counter the dissemination of facts around the world.
It very much seems that such is a likely scenario. However, I wonder, if that is the case, does whoever is behind it not realise how transparently ludicrous is the whole exercise?
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
p.s. And thank you for standing up against prejudice and blaming the victim. We need people such as yourself if we are to build a more equitable world.
I suspect they also use AI systems to spew up answers which is why it is often so banal, trite and childish and fails to address the facts presented.
You may well be right, Roslyn. My only reservation about what you say is that AI usually produces relatively accurate grammatical and syntactically appropriate text. James Jenkins offerings, to me, appear to be at perhaps the level of a 10 year old or worse.
However, as Jonathan Swift said some 300 years ago: It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. (J.Swift. 1667-1745). So, perhaps I am my own worst enemy for trying to do what is useless.
I apologise but for the first time ever and after contributing online since before the WWW, when all was text and all we had was dumb terminals and bulleting boards, I have blocked someone - James Jenkins.
I am tired. I am disturbed. I am frustrated. I am depressed, That people can be so lacking in compassion, so conditioned in prejudice, so ignorant and opposed to learning, is sad indeed.
All that keeps me going now is people such as yourself who are capable of and take the time to ascertain the facts, to comprehend them and to tell the truth. Unfortunately, conditioning is insidious and ubiquitous. Our political leaders - of all persuasions and with few exceptions - are just as guilty.
I now live only because I have one friend, my Belgian Shepherd, Lennie. Once he's gone, I fully intend to join him because the extent of immoral insensibility and rampant disinformation, lies and prejudice seems not only to be prevalent in dictatorships and autocracies but now in so-called free nations who consider themselves democracies.
I am horrified at the way immigrants and refugees are demeaned and attacked and how materialism, fifteen minutes of fame and fancy assets are seen as indicators of success.
Humanity could achieve so much. Technology and scientifically it has. In the sense of human relationships, understanding, collaboration and caring, it appears it has achieved little.
I've had enough.
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
Well you may be right about AI but since computers/robots cannot do context I am not so sure they are as credible as they appear.
I understand your feelings and thoughts. I suspect the world was always inhabited by many foolish, ignorant, unkind, fearful people. It is just that in times past, even a generation ago, people lived in smaller worlds of family and community. Now we are engulfed in the entire nation and the world, constantly through the internet and self discipline and self care are needed more than ever.
If I have learned anything in the past 30 years living and working around the world, calling a dozen countries home and reading a lot of history, it is that human nature has changed very little. With technological development that makes us very dangerous indeed because the silliness and ignorance is also a part of the scientific system of enquiry, far more than it ever was in centuries past. And science as a system of curious exploration of life and the world, is now a system of greed and power which long ago sold its soul to corporations and Government.
We are at a seminal point where we need to identify the deep flaws in our world, cultures and societies and older citizens need, I believe, to play a vital role because we remember a world before 'it was all 'about the clicks.' And we were well educated in comparison to the agenda-driven, semi-literate brainwashing which is the education system in most of the Western world today.
Roslyn, I think that we are very much on the same page - or very close to it.
I do doubt that science is any more ignorant or subject to mistakes that become the norm than it ever was. I feel that way because there are countless examples from the past of pseudo-science and genuine errors that were perceived as fact. The flat Earth, the notion of the sun orbiting the Earth; that bleeding was a cure for all manner of ailments; that a dark room and bed rest was essential for treatment of many illnesses; that all manner of common mental dysfunction was seen as 'evil' or, at best, insanity and etc.
I also still feel that there scientists remain who are willing to stand against corrupt corporations and fellows who will distort research to support the needs of the highest bidder.
Conflict and wars, too, have existed for as long as homo sapiens has lived. In most cases, (if not all), these have been, as now, generally provoked and instigated by a single demagogue or a small clique, not least those driven by various religious leaders - all, curiously, with 'God' on their side.
However, I do agree with your sentiments regarding life largely in small and localised community where even physical travel was extremely limited and many never moved more than a few miles from their homes within their lifetimes. There were many exceptions of course: adventurers, explorers, traders, and of course, those aimed on conquering, enslaving and theft.
However, I agree with you about the impact of the Internet, particularly since its graphical interface with the advent of the World Wide Web and now the ubiquitous mobile phone, with which it seems, babies are born very ready to use and never ever put aside.
As an educator I also agree with you about modern curricula and the many issues there with both education systems and schooling. Despite the reality that Finland has only State Schools but by many counts is considered to have the best school system in the World, I see countless working class and 'middle-class', (I don't believe such really exists), people working two jobs or more in order to send their children to private schools. Those schools are no better, in essence, they simply have better funding - hence better facilities and because they are attended by the children of the wealthy, they have the advantage of progress through 'who you know', rather than 'what you know.' Yes, of course there are exceptions. In Australia, for instance, we have a tri-partite school system of State, Catholic and Private schools. Many of the Catholic schools, particularly, cater to the financially poor whilst also having some elite schools that are as elite as most private ones.
Another issue with 'education' is that too many confuse 'schooling' with it. As well, it is increasingly common for 'education' to be spoken of as the solution to almost any societal issue. Where that issue involves children, it is almost certain to find its way into an already over-crowded curricula and understaffed, underfunded State system.
Schooling, of course, is far more about socialisation than about education. It is a major contributor to the perpetuation of social mores and traits and has a major influence on adult views because of how and what is taught. It is one of the reasons, in my view, as to why those who wish to censor or push a particular agenda, often have considerable success.
It ails me that our curricula are increasingly dominated by Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics, not because I regard those areas as unimportant but because it is happening at the expense of the humanities and it is the effect of learning in the humanities that is needed to keep those other areas in check and to build a more equitable and humane society. (IMHO)
So, as I suggested at the start, not a great divergence of opinion between us, I think, indeed possibly not one at all. Certainly I value the contributions you have made here and only wish there were more that spoke as honestly, respectfully and with an informed rather than opinionated view.
So, thank you.
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
A lot of disinformation has come from modern science in regard to the past in order to promote itself as the arbiter and fount of all knowledge.
The fact is that it was not a common belief that the world was flat. Astrologers, who later became astronomers, did not believe the world was flat and neither did navigators observing horizons. They believed the earth was round or spherical. Yes for a long time there was a strong belief that the sun orbited the earth but again, not by all. Knowledge in the past was for the educated, of whom a few were polymaths and not for the ordinary people. Even then ordinary people sailed the world and traversed great tracts of land where a curved horizon could be seen.
It is interesting that you mention bleeding as a medical treatment. I see it in the same realms as modern antibiotics. There was value in bleeding but it was used too much, too often, and became too experimental. The same applies to antibiotics. Both became wasted resources.
Bloodletting makes physiological sense. Loss of blood stimulates a repair and restore response in the body. In fact the practice has re-emerged today, as has the use of leeches and of maggots to clean wounds. Minimal of course, but still recognised as having science-medical validity.
I suspect a dark room and bed rest were invaluable and perhaps we have so much chronic disease today because people do not take to their beds and rest but pop a pill and go to work.
Attitudes to mental illness were simply how humans tried to explain what they did not understand. I am not sure believing someone was possessed was worse than the modern practice of taking the vagaries of human nature in children and labelling them, i.e. Oppositional Defiance Disorder.
I agree there are still some scientists and medical professions with integrity but they are few and far between. And, since systems drive behaviour, the system makes it almost impossible for them to speak out or to challenge the running narrative. We saw this with Covid. As someone said, science advances one death at a time. I have read a lot of science and medical history and because they are systems run by humans they are as flawed as any other.
Yes, war has always been with us and the irony is that Western nations, particularly the US, see themselves as civilized and advanced and yet they have been the major warmongers.
I agree with you on the education system in Australia although I think the problems pervade the Western world to varying degrees. I think one factor is that there are too many women in education and not enough men. Too many men is also a problem but in a different way. Balance is critical and we do not have it.
I remember reading long ago a description of masculine and feminine qualities, and we all have both as humans, with men more of the masculine and women more of the feminine. Masculine quality is focused consciousness and feminine diffuse awareness. When balanced we have things right.
The nurturing energy of females, historically, can blur clear focus and create systems which lack structure. This is why I believe schools have been taken over by political and social agendas. Children need to learn to read, write, add up and behave themselves and the rest they can explore when they grow up. It is little wonder we are sending semi-literates to university. But making university available to all when it should be for the best and brightest, and turning it into a money-making machine for even more semi-literate Third World students, has degraded it even more.
No doubt in all of it there are valuable lessons for us to learn. We are all on a journey of discovery and a quest of becoming.
I choose to believe that there are always enough people in the world to fight for justice and integrity and that even those who may falter, will in time find the courage to support such a fight. It behoves every one of us to defend principles of justice, rule of law, democracy, human rights and common human decency.
I have great compassion for Israelis because they are a truly sick society and unable to help themselves. They were founded in hatred, bigotry and fear, all of which the Zionists exploited and promoted, and they locked themselves into a prison of their own making which was always doomed.
The depravity and bestial savagery demonstrated by Israeli soldiers in particular, and most Israelis serve in the military, has been sadistic to the point of pure evil for all of Israel's existence. Such a psychology can only poison those who brew in it and corrode their culture and their humanity.
In some ways it is the Israelis who need to be freed from Ziorael far more urgently than the Palestinians.
Fully agree, Roslyn. We need to be compassionate for so many are insidiously conditioned. I have no religion but perhaps, in this context, a statement attributed to Jesus in the Christian Bible is perhaps appropriate:
"Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
I follow no religion, have studied many and have my own concept of what might be called God. I think the spiritual teachings in all religions are of value and those of Jesus some of the best. Although they have also been found in transcriptions of the ancient Egyptian religion of the Great Mother, the Goddess Isis and her saviour-redeemer son.
Yes, forgive them for they know not what they do. And Do unto others as you would have them do unto you are creeds I value.
We are wasting each others time I think. You are following a one sided narrative but you say you only follow facts .. not true by your assertions alone claiming the narrative is all true. You FAILED.. goodbye sir
I have "failed", shouted or not, at nothing, James. I haven't been attempting to prove a point only to counter an invalid one. It is you that has such a closed mind and obsessive intention to shout your misguide and opinionated falsities to the world.
You may claim that what I've said isn't true. That doesn't make it untrue. Indeed, anyone of even average intelligence can check the facts for themselves. I don't have to persuade them.
You dismally failed
@ James Jenkins,
I am waiting for you to refute one thing I have said.
Say it as many times as you wish, James. I haven't been trying to "win" anything. It is you that has been doing that.
All I've done is to correct falsities and, as I've already said, anyone of even average intelligence can check the facts for themselves.
Roger. DipT, BEd, M.AppSc, (LIM), AALIA,
YOU FAILED IT DID NOTHING FOR
KINDLY STOP RESPONDING AS PROF FERGUSON STATED THERE IS RADICAL LEFT ROT THAT HAS RUINED ARE EDUCATION SYSTEMS