You assert many things in your recent article as facts but many are not - they are just your one sided narrative and wishful thinking - it’s actually despicable and dishonest and misleading and deceptive with respect..
Roger Hawcroft looks at typos to deflect from the actual blatant bogus narrative being peddled here . I am patient and I will continue to state this fact when one sided flawed narratives are being peddled. So you ought to take note or follow your own advice and either stop embarrassing yourself with pointless deflections and sanctimony including stop being misleading.. … i multi task while I’m typing here so of-course there may be spelling errors or is that snelling oppos spelling
The name of the Dahiya Doctrine stems from the Dahiya quarter of Beirut that Israel targeted and leveled during the 2006 war, a quarter where many families affiliated with Hezbollah lived. In 2008, then military Chief of Northern Command Gadi Eisenkot (later chief of staff and centrist minister), coined the doctrine and outlined “what will happen” to any enemy that dares attack Israel:
What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on… We will apply disproportionate force on [the village] and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases.
Israel applied this method already in its 2008-9 Gaza onslaught. The United Nations “Goldstone Report” of 2009 concluded that Israel had conducted a “deliberately disproportionate attack, designed to punish, humiliate, and terrorize a civilian population,” and noted that the Dahiya Doctrine “appears to have been precisely what was put into practice.” Just to reiterate: “Punish, humiliate, and terrorize.” That last word, “terrorize,” should give us all pause, especially in this particular context.
The recent Gaza onslaught has in its way been the implementation of this doctrine into full-blown genocide. This is not surprising, since the vein of deliberate harm to civilians as a logic of “warfare” has been in the DNA of this doctrine to begin with.
So now, Israel is blowing up pagers. The prospect of this being called an act of terror by Western media appears to be very low. That is still considered a radical notion, when it comes to Israel because terror is a political term that is only reserved for enemies of the West. For the readers of The New York Times, it is just a “latest salvo” and not a reflection on the nature of Israel itself.
Jonathan Ofir is an Israeli musician, conductor, and blogger/writer based in Denmark.
PALESTINE DOES NOT EXIST AS A NATION STATE IT NEVER DID. ISRAEL DOES… PERIOD !! IF I DECIDE TO ADD MORE AT A LATER TIME I WILL BUT ITS VIRTUALLY POINTLESS TO BIGOTED PEOPLE WHO PEDDLE RUBBISH AND IGNORE OTHER VITAL FACTS
On the contrary. I know almost all the facts. I don’t follow a one sided narrative that does not contain all the facts. Fact Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed. Palestine never existed as a country nation state for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one. Fact is israel exists as a nation state so deal with it and accept or move away you are wasting your time with dire tribe otherwise seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
You don't. No matter where you start a lie nor where you take it will prevent it being a lie. Therefore, as you claim the facts convey a false narrative, when they actually tell the true story, you may as well stay silent and not embarrass or shame yourself.
All lies mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective opinions drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionists pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same..
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers and that did not reply the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel but you side step that.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
Most sane people of conscience and intelligence are anti-Zionism for the same reason they were anti-Nazism and are anti-Fascist.
The Dahiya doctrine is genocide in the name of fascist bigotry.
When Israel gets things exploding in homes, public places, cars, offices, shops it will not be able to complain having set the precedent.
Hezbollah is a militia which the Israelis helped set up. They love their enemies to have Islamic links. They need their enemies to have Islamic links.
Hezbollah is fighting to end Israeli occupation in Lebanon and just as the Allies sided with those occupied by the Germans, so they side with those occupied by the Israelis. Simple logic. And justice.
Hezbollah and Hamas are designated to be, there's the word, yay, Islamic, terrorist entities by the Israelis and those they influence. They are no more terrorists than were the French and Polish Resistance.
A lot of Jews want to bring the state of Zionist Israel to an end as do all people of intelligence and conscience.
Hezbollah wants to destroy Israeli aggression. The Israelis have attacked Lebanon so many times, littered it with cluster bombs, assassinated, pulled off the silo explosion and slaughtered their way around their neighbour too often for the Lebanese not to hate them.
As a military colonial occupier, and it still occupies part of Lebanon, Israel has no right to self-defence. There is no right to self defence against those you occupy and exterminate.
Your bullshit levels are impressive. Go and read the latest Hamas charter, 2017 and get facts not your opinion.
Iran has nothing to do with Israeli savagery, except to be on the receiving end of it.
Jews can vote out Governments in Israel, non-Jews cannot. Six million Palestinians under Israeli colonial rule get no vote at all. And any study of Israel makes it clear that the movers and shakers ensure that even jewish votes do not count for much. It is a corrupt fascist tyranny.
THERE ARE NO ISRAELI CITIZENS. There is only Jewish nationality. Israelis do not exist. Only Jews have rights in Jewdistan, otherwise known as Israel, for the moment.
You can repeat it all you like but no occupier has a right to self defense.
Technically speaking Israel does not exist and I do not define who is Jewish, facts, reality, logic define who is Jewish and that is a follower of Judaism. Always was.
Jews DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO A HOMELAND. NO RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO A HOMELAND.
If religions did have a right to a homeland it would be where their religion was invented. For Jews that would be Iraq and Christians would have a right to Palestine. Fortunately no such right exists.
Israel was always weak. Any State founded in bigotry, hatred, paranoid fear and violence is weak.
And your diatribe blaming Hamas does not wash. No-one believes it because they know the truth. They know there is nowhere to run in Gaza. They know it is a prison.
They know Israel bombs places it has told people are safe.
They know Israeli snipers shoot toddlers in the head and heart and pregnant women in the stomach.
They know the Israeli forces destroy hospitals and execute doctors, nurses, patients and toss their bodies into pits.
They know the Israeli forces crush the dying, dead and injured underneath their tanks.
They know the Israelis torture and rape men, women and children.
They know the Israelis bomb water facilities.
They know the Israelis refuse water, food, medical aid.
They know the Israelis are starving the Palestinians because they have said so.
They know the Israelis lie, kill and steal.
All of this is fact and data recorded by Israeli and international human rights groups.
And you are saying the Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto where there was also nowhere to run or hide, were using civilians as human shields, because they dared to resist their occupiers. Shame on you. That is a disgraceful position to take.
If that’s what you believe - a flawed false narrative of Palestine then I say to you should practise what you preach and STAY SILENT before embarrassing yourself and get educated on the facts - you would even deflect the fact that Palestine never existed as country or nation state so your narrative you peddle with others is flawed and broken. Oppressor / oppressed matrix yes ? Lol
You are saying that a country which others deem not to be a country even though the historical facts declare that it is, has no rights? You are trying to use a ridiculous and easily disproven argument that because Palestine was not a country then the European colonists who invaded and now call themselves Israelis, have a right to commit colonial genocidal ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture, theft on the people of Palestine.
What an appalling claim to make. In a civilized world, our modern world everyone has human rights and NO-ONE, not even racist Zionists and Jews have a right to subject anyone to one of the most sadistic, savage, bestial and evil military colonial occupations in history.
I realise Israelis and many of their supporters are brainwashed and bigoted, which does diminish intelligence, but either you make a case to prove your position or we conclude it has no substance and you cannot.
Palestine has a history going back more than 5000 years according to Egyptologists. We have maps, records, letters, reports, drawings, etchings, paintings, and then photographs of Palestine and Palestinians going back thousands of years. The delusional claim Palestine did not exist is ridiculous.
Palestine was a country even if it was not a nation state. The concept of nation state is historically recent, first mooted in the 18th century and only becoming a reality in the 19th century. Neither Italy or Germany were nation states until the late 19th century, but if you told them they did not exist prior to this point, despite being countries for thousands of years, they would rightly conclude you were insane.
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself can rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel but again is today and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
I am sorry you have an inferior phone and cannot afford a laptop.
You said: You are dishonest and misleading
What is dishonest is anyone foolish enough to claim Palestine does not exist and did not exist, that genocide is not happening and that Israel is not a terrorist State.
As to Douglas Murray, one can only assume he is paid very well to be a Zionist shill. As someone who previously appeared intelligent, his lack of intelligence and integrity on this issue is sad to see. But money talks.
Murray, Ferguson and Gillard could not rip through the facts presented because facts create a solid wall of truth which has no holes. Gillard is also sad and one can only assume the Ziobullies got to her as well.
You said:ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative.
Any sane and decent human would be anti-zionist which is a fascist, thuggish, racist, sadistic political organisation.
Any sane and decent human would be anti the Israeli State for its history of sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery.
Any sane and decent human being would be pro a Resistance militia fighting for justice, freedom and human and civil rights in their homeland and that includes the political party and prisoner support group which is Hamas.
And since I have never mentioned Arafat I am not sure what you are talking about. He was corrupt and flawed but, compared to the Israelis, a saint.
You said: Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all.
Okay, I see you do not do nuance. Of course a State which people call Israel exists for the moment. But, technically speaking since there are no Israeli citizens and this state has no borders, logically it does not truly exist.
Palestine will be free and it will be a State and it will be a democracy. Some Israelis will choose to stay and become Palestinians but many will go back to where they came from. The UN forces will need to monitor the situation for some years because the former Israelis will find it difficult to give up their hatred of Palestinians and their constant attacks on them.
A lot of Jews want the Jewish state destroyed because it is an undemocratic, tyrannical travesty for Judaism and the world.
You said: it is israel who has the say its Israel land today
Actually it isn't. It is international law and the native people, the Palestinians who have the say on what can and cannot be called Israel, should it continue to exist.
For UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES to apply, Israel must first be legal with legal borders. Israel is not legal, was never legal and has no borders. Israel was founded in genocidal invasion and a war of ethnic cleansing and Right of Conquest was dissolved in 1945 so nothing taken from 1947 is legal.
You said: israel withdrew in 2005
Israel withdrew illegal Jewish colonists in Gaza and illegal military bases in 2005. It put the illegal colonists in other parts of Occupied Palestine still illegal. ISRAEL DID NOT END THE OCCUPATION AS Amira Hass stated in Haaretz, earlier this year.
ISRAEL ISSUES ID CARDS TO EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN INCLUDING THOSE IN THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP. Israel remained the military colonial ruler of all of Palestine.
Israel used Gaza to test its weapons, limited food supplies, bombed farmlands, shot farmers, shot fisherman, prevented medical aid and did everything it could to kill as many of the prisoners in Gaza and to make their life impossible.
Your analogy with Jews and Nazis is the wrong way around. Zionist Israel equates with Nazi Germany and the Jews equate with the Palestinian Christians and Muslims.
Israel does not need gas chambers when it has bombs, bullets, starvation and denial of medical aid and clean water. But the end result is the same.
As to the Palestinians being a threat to world Jewry, get real. Most Jews do not even live in what is called Israel and the Palestinian Resistance has no army, navy or air force. Hamas has stated, in 2017, it has no issue with Jews, just with their Zionist Israeli colonial rulers. Catch up.
I believe what is supported by facts and evidence. What you are saying to me is of no consequence for it is based on neither.
Before the Arabs helped the British to overcome the Ottomans, after which Britain went back on its promise and eventually, along with other European powers and a more reluctant USA, they gave in to a Zionist lobby and created the State of Israel. It was perfidy from the start.
Zionism was founded in terrorism and so was Zionist Israel. One reason the UN made the recommendation for partition was fear of Zionist terrorism. And they gave the illegal European colonists most of Palestine, knowing they planned to take it all, and hoping it would slow them down. Which it did not.
The partition of Palestine was illegal, immoral and one of the most barbaric colonial exercises in history.
Zionist terrorism, behind the scenes, has never stopped. It is now why the US Government and President are run by Zionist agendas and why many countries in Europe and the UK, Australia, Canada and others, are not taking a stand as they should.
Unfortunately fascist movements thrive in the fertile soil of cowardice and most humans are cowards. Those who are not the Zionists assassinate.
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc
You assert many things in your recent article as facts but many are not - they are just your one sided narrative and wishful thinking - it’s actually despicable and dishonest and misleading and deceptive with respect..
https://www.primevideo.com/detail/Omar-Subtitled/0FWLLK5WKKVU3BEZAZ92D62HR4
https://youtu.be/n-4lRJkbLrU?si=g2K5MxFnYw-ZwmqA
Oh dear
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/rita-panahi/antisemitism-has-always-been-a-shapeshifting-virus-douglas-murray/video/63a27ba316071c9c349709b44adc97dd
This purported facts ( yet a flawed ahistorical narrative ) regarding Palestine has so many holes in it where do I begin.
Begin at the beginning. Make a case refuting every fact stated.
You assert many things in your recent article as facts but many are not - they are just your one sided narrative and wishful thinking - it’s actually despicable and dishonest and misleading and deceptive with respect..
Make a case refuting one fact stated.
Wrong
Roger Hawcroft looks at typos to deflect from the actual blatant bogus narrative being peddled here . I am patient and I will continue to state this fact when one sided flawed narratives are being peddled. So you ought to take note or follow your own advice and either stop embarrassing yourself with pointless deflections and sanctimony including stop being misleading.. … i multi task while I’m typing here so of-course there may be spelling errors or is that snelling oppos spelling
The Path From Indiscriminate Attacks to Genocide
The name of the Dahiya Doctrine stems from the Dahiya quarter of Beirut that Israel targeted and leveled during the 2006 war, a quarter where many families affiliated with Hezbollah lived. In 2008, then military Chief of Northern Command Gadi Eisenkot (later chief of staff and centrist minister), coined the doctrine and outlined “what will happen” to any enemy that dares attack Israel:
What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on… We will apply disproportionate force on [the village] and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases.
Israel applied this method already in its 2008-9 Gaza onslaught. The United Nations “Goldstone Report” of 2009 concluded that Israel had conducted a “deliberately disproportionate attack, designed to punish, humiliate, and terrorize a civilian population,” and noted that the Dahiya Doctrine “appears to have been precisely what was put into practice.” Just to reiterate: “Punish, humiliate, and terrorize.” That last word, “terrorize,” should give us all pause, especially in this particular context.
The recent Gaza onslaught has in its way been the implementation of this doctrine into full-blown genocide. This is not surprising, since the vein of deliberate harm to civilians as a logic of “warfare” has been in the DNA of this doctrine to begin with.
So now, Israel is blowing up pagers. The prospect of this being called an act of terror by Western media appears to be very low. That is still considered a radical notion, when it comes to Israel because terror is a political term that is only reserved for enemies of the West. For the readers of The New York Times, it is just a “latest salvo” and not a reflection on the nature of Israel itself.
Jonathan Ofir is an Israeli musician, conductor, and blogger/writer based in Denmark.
PALESTINE DOES NOT EXIST AS A NATION STATE IT NEVER DID. ISRAEL DOES… PERIOD !! IF I DECIDE TO ADD MORE AT A LATER TIME I WILL BUT ITS VIRTUALLY POINTLESS TO BIGOTED PEOPLE WHO PEDDLE RUBBISH AND IGNORE OTHER VITAL FACTS
On the contrary. I know almost all the facts. I don’t follow a one sided narrative that does not contain all the facts. Fact Islamic jihadi terrorists exist and thankfully the powers that he agree they must be removed. Palestine never existed as a country nation state for the Arafat who was born in Egypt so called Palestinian movement to ever claim its theirs for one. Fact is israel exists as a nation state so deal with it and accept or move away you are wasting your time with dire tribe otherwise seeking and willing the destruction of Israel
You don't. No matter where you start a lie nor where you take it will prevent it being a lie. Therefore, as you claim the facts convey a false narrative, when they actually tell the true story, you may as well stay silent and not embarrass or shame yourself.
All lies mixed with some details and feeble opinions that are subjective opinions drawn by you is a one sided narrative that you are obsessed with Ms Ross. You are an Anti Zionists pure and simple and the people that follow you are mainly the same..
The Dahiya doctrine is a essentially strategy to pressure hostile islamic terrorists ( Hezbollah ) to end their attacks against Israel . It hardly genocide. Richard Falk is also a disgrace and a Hamas sympathiser. The latest attacks exploding pagers and that did not reply the same strategy.
Hezbollah ( a designated Islamic terrorist entity ) manifesto and goal is to attack the Jewish state of israel and its goal is all about the destruction of Israel and its explicit intention is to continue its attacks that bring an end to the state of Israel but you side step that.
Any European or western country be it USA or Hungary would certainly deploy defence strategies and counter attacks against an enemy at their door step who has that stated intention to destroy it in this case Hezbollah wants to destroy state of Israel… but you don’t mention that but going by your words that is your goal too so you only push.
Hamas manifesto is essentially the same and so is the Iranian regime stated intention is to see the destruction of the Jewish state of israel . incidentally almost 80 % of its own Persian citizens in Iran despise and want that Iranian regime ended - the civil liberty rights in Iran is virtually non existent. Yemen isn’t much better with the Houthis. And Sunni / Christian Lebanon has essentially been ruined and bankrupted - Hezbollah has it worse. Israel / USA and its allies ought to have finished them off a long time ago imo.. yes and it effects all of Lebanon. Hezbollah kills Lebanese politicians that don’t submit to them either… the bankrupt country of Lebanon is hijacked by Hezbollah. So is Yemen by Houthis. Yemeni citizens are starving and yet fire rockets at global ships that carry crude and fire at Israel - just absurd.
You can vote out governments in Israel and essentially protest there against Netanyahu policies and basic civil liberties exist for Israeli citizens…
I repeat israel has every right to defend and counter attack it’s deplorable enemies who attack them and want them destroyed. Their enemies are the Iranian regime and its Islamic terrorists proxies - Israel being nice back hasn’t worked - not even left wing Israeli governments try.
You lost me at Israel does not even exist. And you dictating who is Jewish and who isn’t - no Jewish law and it is vast decides who is Jewish and it’s not limited to being religious which I’ve replied to you earlier about it… you are radical one sided and clearly an Anti Zionist which means you are Anti Jewish state home land and your desire is to see the destruction of the Jewish state - and to me that is despicable..
All you do is a peddle a one sided narrative without context and select quotes and misquotes… Hamas is genocidal Islamic terrorists Organisation who wants to kill every Israeli Jew in the state of Israel or have them submit to Islamic rule at best. That is not acceptable. Israel must not let itself get weak it must use force to destroy these entities and those that follow them
Sadly innocent people get killed and the risk increases when the enemy like Hamas and Islamic jihad explicit goal is to maximise civilian deaths on purpose by stoping civilians in Gaza leaving their areas and when Hamas DELIBERATELY embeds their weapons military infrastructure in civilian areas / churches mosques, schools , UNWRA centres and so on and fires weapons into Israel from those areas and Hamas dress as civilians then hide in tunnels with stolen money from the west and made themselves billionaires when they could have improved Gaza 10 fold before Oct 7. Hamas doesn’t allow Gazan civilians to enter tunnels for bomb shelter like Israel allows their own citizens to when Israel is attacked. But you don’t mention all those nuance and facts do you..
If anyone truly cares about Arab so called Palestinians then they should stop being told a lie by jihadi Islamic terrorist / Arab entities like Hamas as they do nothing to help them in-fact Hamas shoots them when they take food aid or do not submit to them or kill the opposition party like Fatah or throw gays of buildings and much worse. T
I request you don’t bother responding because it’s pretty clear you cannot be objective as you are ANTI Zionist.
Goodbye so don’t bother replying again please.
Most sane people of conscience and intelligence are anti-Zionism for the same reason they were anti-Nazism and are anti-Fascist.
The Dahiya doctrine is genocide in the name of fascist bigotry.
When Israel gets things exploding in homes, public places, cars, offices, shops it will not be able to complain having set the precedent.
Hezbollah is a militia which the Israelis helped set up. They love their enemies to have Islamic links. They need their enemies to have Islamic links.
Hezbollah is fighting to end Israeli occupation in Lebanon and just as the Allies sided with those occupied by the Germans, so they side with those occupied by the Israelis. Simple logic. And justice.
Hezbollah and Hamas are designated to be, there's the word, yay, Islamic, terrorist entities by the Israelis and those they influence. They are no more terrorists than were the French and Polish Resistance.
A lot of Jews want to bring the state of Zionist Israel to an end as do all people of intelligence and conscience.
Hezbollah wants to destroy Israeli aggression. The Israelis have attacked Lebanon so many times, littered it with cluster bombs, assassinated, pulled off the silo explosion and slaughtered their way around their neighbour too often for the Lebanese not to hate them.
As a military colonial occupier, and it still occupies part of Lebanon, Israel has no right to self-defence. There is no right to self defence against those you occupy and exterminate.
Your bullshit levels are impressive. Go and read the latest Hamas charter, 2017 and get facts not your opinion.
Iran has nothing to do with Israeli savagery, except to be on the receiving end of it.
Jews can vote out Governments in Israel, non-Jews cannot. Six million Palestinians under Israeli colonial rule get no vote at all. And any study of Israel makes it clear that the movers and shakers ensure that even jewish votes do not count for much. It is a corrupt fascist tyranny.
THERE ARE NO ISRAELI CITIZENS. There is only Jewish nationality. Israelis do not exist. Only Jews have rights in Jewdistan, otherwise known as Israel, for the moment.
You can repeat it all you like but no occupier has a right to self defense.
Technically speaking Israel does not exist and I do not define who is Jewish, facts, reality, logic define who is Jewish and that is a follower of Judaism. Always was.
Jews DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO A HOMELAND. NO RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO A HOMELAND.
If religions did have a right to a homeland it would be where their religion was invented. For Jews that would be Iraq and Christians would have a right to Palestine. Fortunately no such right exists.
Israel was always weak. Any State founded in bigotry, hatred, paranoid fear and violence is weak.
And your diatribe blaming Hamas does not wash. No-one believes it because they know the truth. They know there is nowhere to run in Gaza. They know it is a prison.
They know Israel bombs places it has told people are safe.
They know Israeli snipers shoot toddlers in the head and heart and pregnant women in the stomach.
They know the Israeli forces destroy hospitals and execute doctors, nurses, patients and toss their bodies into pits.
They know the Israeli forces crush the dying, dead and injured underneath their tanks.
They know the Israelis torture and rape men, women and children.
They know the Israelis bomb water facilities.
They know the Israelis refuse water, food, medical aid.
They know the Israelis are starving the Palestinians because they have said so.
They know the Israelis lie, kill and steal.
All of this is fact and data recorded by Israeli and international human rights groups.
And you are saying the Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto where there was also nowhere to run or hide, were using civilians as human shields, because they dared to resist their occupiers. Shame on you. That is a disgraceful position to take.
If that’s what you believe - a flawed false narrative of Palestine then I say to you should practise what you preach and STAY SILENT before embarrassing yourself and get educated on the facts - you would even deflect the fact that Palestine never existed as country or nation state so your narrative you peddle with others is flawed and broken. Oppressor / oppressed matrix yes ? Lol
You are saying that a country which others deem not to be a country even though the historical facts declare that it is, has no rights? You are trying to use a ridiculous and easily disproven argument that because Palestine was not a country then the European colonists who invaded and now call themselves Israelis, have a right to commit colonial genocidal ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture, theft on the people of Palestine.
What an appalling claim to make. In a civilized world, our modern world everyone has human rights and NO-ONE, not even racist Zionists and Jews have a right to subject anyone to one of the most sadistic, savage, bestial and evil military colonial occupations in history.
I realise Israelis and many of their supporters are brainwashed and bigoted, which does diminish intelligence, but either you make a case to prove your position or we conclude it has no substance and you cannot.
Palestine has a history going back more than 5000 years according to Egyptologists. We have maps, records, letters, reports, drawings, etchings, paintings, and then photographs of Palestine and Palestinians going back thousands of years. The delusional claim Palestine did not exist is ridiculous.
Palestine was a country even if it was not a nation state. The concept of nation state is historically recent, first mooted in the 18th century and only becoming a reality in the 19th century. Neither Italy or Germany were nation states until the late 19th century, but if you told them they did not exist prior to this point, despite being countries for thousands of years, they would rightly conclude you were insane.
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You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself can rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel but again is today and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
I am sorry you have an inferior phone and cannot afford a laptop.
You said: You are dishonest and misleading
What is dishonest is anyone foolish enough to claim Palestine does not exist and did not exist, that genocide is not happening and that Israel is not a terrorist State.
As to Douglas Murray, one can only assume he is paid very well to be a Zionist shill. As someone who previously appeared intelligent, his lack of intelligence and integrity on this issue is sad to see. But money talks.
Murray, Ferguson and Gillard could not rip through the facts presented because facts create a solid wall of truth which has no holes. Gillard is also sad and one can only assume the Ziobullies got to her as well.
You said:ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative.
Any sane and decent human would be anti-zionist which is a fascist, thuggish, racist, sadistic political organisation.
Any sane and decent human would be anti the Israeli State for its history of sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery.
Any sane and decent human being would be pro a Resistance militia fighting for justice, freedom and human and civil rights in their homeland and that includes the political party and prisoner support group which is Hamas.
And since I have never mentioned Arafat I am not sure what you are talking about. He was corrupt and flawed but, compared to the Israelis, a saint.
You said: Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all.
Okay, I see you do not do nuance. Of course a State which people call Israel exists for the moment. But, technically speaking since there are no Israeli citizens and this state has no borders, logically it does not truly exist.
Palestine will be free and it will be a State and it will be a democracy. Some Israelis will choose to stay and become Palestinians but many will go back to where they came from. The UN forces will need to monitor the situation for some years because the former Israelis will find it difficult to give up their hatred of Palestinians and their constant attacks on them.
A lot of Jews want the Jewish state destroyed because it is an undemocratic, tyrannical travesty for Judaism and the world.
You said: it is israel who has the say its Israel land today
Actually it isn't. It is international law and the native people, the Palestinians who have the say on what can and cannot be called Israel, should it continue to exist.
For UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES to apply, Israel must first be legal with legal borders. Israel is not legal, was never legal and has no borders. Israel was founded in genocidal invasion and a war of ethnic cleansing and Right of Conquest was dissolved in 1945 so nothing taken from 1947 is legal.
You said: israel withdrew in 2005
Israel withdrew illegal Jewish colonists in Gaza and illegal military bases in 2005. It put the illegal colonists in other parts of Occupied Palestine still illegal. ISRAEL DID NOT END THE OCCUPATION AS Amira Hass stated in Haaretz, earlier this year.
ISRAEL ISSUES ID CARDS TO EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN INCLUDING THOSE IN THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP. Israel remained the military colonial ruler of all of Palestine.
Israel used Gaza to test its weapons, limited food supplies, bombed farmlands, shot farmers, shot fisherman, prevented medical aid and did everything it could to kill as many of the prisoners in Gaza and to make their life impossible.
Your analogy with Jews and Nazis is the wrong way around. Zionist Israel equates with Nazi Germany and the Jews equate with the Palestinian Christians and Muslims.
Israel does not need gas chambers when it has bombs, bullets, starvation and denial of medical aid and clean water. But the end result is the same.
As to the Palestinians being a threat to world Jewry, get real. Most Jews do not even live in what is called Israel and the Palestinian Resistance has no army, navy or air force. Hamas has stated, in 2017, it has no issue with Jews, just with their Zionist Israeli colonial rulers. Catch up.
I believe what is supported by facts and evidence. What you are saying to me is of no consequence for it is based on neither.
Before the Arabs helped the British to overcome the Ottomans, after which Britain went back on its promise and eventually, along with other European powers and a more reluctant USA, they gave in to a Zionist lobby and created the State of Israel. It was perfidy from the start.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Julian_and_Anna_Epstein_Palestine_Passport_1939_p_2.jpg
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/asmaa-khalil-el-kersh_when-the-jewish-refugees-were-granted-citizenship-activity-7178726205561397248-ed1v/
So, please stop writing your scurrilous nonsense which only adds insult to injury, particularly right now when Israel is committing Genocide.
Zionism was founded in terrorism and so was Zionist Israel. One reason the UN made the recommendation for partition was fear of Zionist terrorism. And they gave the illegal European colonists most of Palestine, knowing they planned to take it all, and hoping it would slow them down. Which it did not.
The partition of Palestine was illegal, immoral and one of the most barbaric colonial exercises in history.
Zionist terrorism, behind the scenes, has never stopped. It is now why the US Government and President are run by Zionist agendas and why many countries in Europe and the UK, Australia, Canada and others, are not taking a stand as they should.
Unfortunately fascist movements thrive in the fertile soil of cowardice and most humans are cowards. Those who are not the Zionists assassinate.
Zionist bullying, behind the sce
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You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc
If you don’t know that or don’t realise that already then you cannot be educated with the facts as you claim to be.
You assert many things in your recent article as facts but many are not - they are just your one sided narrative and wishful thinking - it’s actually despicable and dishonest and misleading and deceptive with respect..