Educated debate is important, but James, you're not debating, and are thus a troll. I would never have allowed such repetition on my page, so salutes to Roslyn's angel-like patience.
Oh so sorry Jews were firing rockets into Nazis from their Jewish civilian areas ( like Hamas is ) to cause the Nazi German Holocaust that’s hitlers defence thats right. I Must be absurdly stupid like Marxist radical arab / and islamic Terrorism rot yes along with Hitler yes
Jews would have fired rockets if they had them. As an American writer, also Jewish, said after October 7, if Jews had broken out of the Warsaw Ghetto and found Germans dancing around at a music festival they would have attacked them as well.
The Palestinian Resistance/Hamas targeted military personnel which is legitimate. They had no idea the music festival was on.
Civilians, young men around the age of 20, broke out after them and they targeted civilians. They were not a part of the Palestinian Resistance. There was a video after October 7 of an Israeli soldier stating civilians attacked Israeli civilians.
Since those young men, all of their lives, from the time they were toddlers had been subjected to the worst kinds of mental and physical torture by the Israelis - sonic booms, bombing, bullets - and had seen their family friends, homes, society, torn apart in a bloody mess, not once, but many times by the savages who ruled them, one presumes some would have been less than mentally well.
Blame Israel for that. Torture children from the time they are born and they are not going to like you, they will want to hurt you as you hurt them.
Only radical left nut jobs and the Iranian regime calls Hamas . Houthis and Hezbollah resistance as you do. No they are not resistance and it’s not legitimate. They are Islamic terrorists
What Hamas did on Oct 7 burning burning and butchering and killing innocent civilians at a rave and in the kibitz was a barbaric pogrom mass murder pogrom including violent rapes / murder against girls & others was horrendous which they admitted to. But only the likes of you would twist this too
Yes only radical left nut jobs and Iran regime itself would like and say what Hamas did on Oct 7 aas legitimate and that that are resistance
They slaughtered intentionally innocent civilians in rave parties and in the kibbutz and there were many girls who got sadistically raped then slaughtered..
When you repeat charges that have been debunked you damage whatever case you think you are making.
Most Israelis who died, 1,149 at final count, were killed by their own soldiers, incinerated by Hellfire Missiles sent into Kibbutz homes and the fleeing music festival crowd. That was stated by Israeli survivors and confirmed by military experts who all said, Hamas/Palestinian Resistance does not have the weapons to incinerate people, cars, homes which is what happened. Neither do they have the helicopters which delivered such missiles.
We know about the Hannibal Directive where the Israeli forces kill their own if they can also kill Palestinians and to prevent hostages being taken. That is why so many Israelis died on October 7.
And even the Israeli police stated they had dropped the investigations into the rape claims because they had no witnesses and no evidence.
Israeli police unable to verify 'Hamas rape' stories
Despite the spread of rape allegations across western media, Israeli police have failed to connect the few testimonies collected to any actual victims
News Desk. JAN 5, 2024
Israeli police are unable to verify accounts of sexual assault allegedly committed by Palestinian fighters on 7 October, Haaretz reported on 4 January.
From October 23, 2023.
Israel settler: ‘Israel forces killed hostages, not Hamas
Israeli settler Yasmin Porat has claimed that Israeli civilians were killed by Israeli forces and not by Hamas.
This came in an interview by Porat with an Israeli radio station on 15 October, where she said: “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages. There was very, very heavy crossfire and even tank shelling.”
The 44-year-old mother of three stated that she and other civilians were held by the Palestinians for several hours and were treated “humanely”.
The claims of beheaded, microwaved, hung on lines babies were also debunked as lies coming from a fanatical Jewish group, with no training or expertise, who were involved in collecting bodies.
Quote: You have probably heard the story that Hamas fighters beheaded 40 Israeli children in the Kfar Aza community near Gaza. This story can be traced back to interviews given by Major David Ben Zion. According to his Twitter bio, he is the Deputy Head of the settler leadership organization, the Samaria Regional Council, and a member of the Board of Directors of the National Fund for Israel, a quasi-governmental agency used to acquire land in Palestine that is then made available exclusively for use by the Israeli state.
One critical point of contention is the official list of Israeli casualties. Israel released a list of its dead on October 23, revealing that over 48% of those listed were soldiers or armed police on active duty, not civilians. Additionally, it has become evident that members of armed settler militias were also among the casualties.
Survivor testimonies, such as that of Yasmin Porat, suggest that Hamas captured civilians as bargaining chips to end the illegal siege on Gaza and secure the release of some of the 5,300 Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons, many of whom are women and children. Porat noted that Hamas treated her and others humanely, with an expressed intention to transport them to Gaza. “They were very humane towards us,” she said in an interview on Israeli state radio. She also added that one Hamas fighter told her, ‘We’re not going to kill you. We want to take you to Gaza.’ Once released, Porat also claimed that the Israeli government gave her a specific script of talking points that she refused to go along with.
NB: The disinformation some post, offers valuable opportunities to counter their lies with truth. I would suggest anyone who is interested, copies posts like this to use against other Zionist shills.
Hamas murdered thousands and violently raped many Israeli girls civilians and took
The fact that 40 beheaded babies story was discredited does not change the fact what Hamas did
You clearly did not watch the long raw video footage shown ( including by Hamas video footage itself ) to reputable journalists and others that proved beyond dispute what Hamas did and the brutality of it all
Rescued hostages from Hamas captivity has spoken bluntly about the cruel treatment they endured including sexual rape in respect to the female ones
I’ve heard the radical left nut job stories try and discredit that it never happened
The fact that ( if ) IDF killed their own in trying to kill Hamas that is a tragedy.
As I have demonstrated, the evidence is that most Israelis were killed by their own military, described as 'friendly fire,' from the use of Hellfire Missiles. Hamas did not murder thousands. The final Israeli death toll, most of whom were military, was 1,149. That is not thousands and most were not killed by Hamas.
Israel has however killed hundreds of thousands in its revenge slaughter.
The video you are talking about was created, fabricated, confected by the Israelis who are not a credible source for anything. I have read a great deal of information from language experts, and those with experience in Arab cultures, the creation of videos etc., and the video footage you cite does not hold up as credible.
Rescued hostages, the females spoke of how well they were treated. Why make things up? Your lies are so easily refuted.
Freed Hamas hostage recounts ordeal, slams Israeli failures, speaks well of captors
Yocheved Lifshitz, 85, released Monday, describes hell as terrorists rampaged in kibbutz; abductors beat her on way to Gaza; was taken into ‘spiderweb’ of tunnels, treated with care.
Source: Times of Israel.
Most Israeli hostages freed Friday appear in good physical health, says hospitals.
No you have not demonstrated anything. This is misleading and false to say MOST. Again you clearly have NOT watched the raw footage and video shown to journalist and dignitaries showing beyond reasonable doubt the brutalities of Hamas and what they did to whole families in Israel butchering them. Any one that tries to shift that fact and downplay these facts is seriously telling for this alone
For weeks, as Gaza was battered with bombs and the body count in the tiny enclave rose inexorably, western publics had little choice but to rely on Israel’s word for what happened on 7 October. Some 1,150 Israelis were killed during an unprecedented attack on Israeli communities and military posts next to Gaza.
Beheaded babies, a pregnant woman with her womb cut open and the foetus stabbed, children put in ovens, hundreds of people burned alive, mutilation of corpses, a systematic campaign of indescribably savage rapes and acts of necrophilia.
Western politicians and media lapped it up, repeating the allegations uncritically while ignoring Israel’s genocidal rhetoric and increasingly genocidal military operations these claims supported.
Then, as the mountain of bodies in Gaza grew still higher, the supposed evidence was shared with a few, select western journalists and influencers. They were invited to private screenings of footage carefully curated by Israeli officials to paint the worst possible picture of the Hamas operation.
These new initiates offered few details but implied the footage confirmed many of the horrors. They readily repeated Israeli claims that Hamas was “worse than Isis”, the Islamic State group.
The impression of unparalleled depravity from Hamas was reinforced by the willingness of the western media to allow Israeli spokespeople, Israel’s supporters and western politicians to continue spreading unchallenged the claim that Hamas had committed unspeakable, sadistic atrocities – from beheading and burning babies to carrying out a campaign of rapes.
The only journalist in the British mainstream media to dissent was Owen Jones. Agreeing that Israel’s video showed terrible crimes committed against civilians, he noted that none of the barbarous acts listed above were included.
What was shown instead were the kind of terrible crimes against civilians all too familiar in wars and uprisings.
Whitewashing genocide
Jones faced a barrage of attacks from colleagues accusing him of being an atrocity apologist. His own newspaper, the Guardian, appears to have prevented him from writing about Gaza in its pages as a consequence.
Now, after nearly six months, the exclusive narrative stranglehold on those events by Israel and its media acolytes has finally been broken.
Last week, Al Jazeera aired an hour-long documentary, called simply “October 7”, that lets western publics see for themselves what took place. It seems that Jones’ account was closest to the truth.
Yet, Al Jazeera’s film goes further still, divulging for the first time to a wider audience facts that have been all over the Israeli media for months but have been carefully excluded from western coverage. The reason is clear: those facts would implicate Israel in some of the atrocities it has been ascribing to Hamas for months.
Middle East Eye highlighted these glaring plot holes in the West’s media narrative way back in December. Nothing has been done to correct the record since.
Jonathan Cook
Dec 16
The BBC and other media outlets keep revisiting the crimes Hamas committed on October 7, but have failed to report on growing evidence that Israel killed its own citizens that day, often in grotesque fashion.
Why is the media ignoring evidence of Israel’s own actions on 7 October?
The BBC and others keep revisiting Hamas crimes that day, but fail to report on growing evidence that Israel killed its own citizens, often in grotesque fashion
The establishment media has proved it is not to be trusted. For months it has credulously recited Israeli propaganda in support of a genocide.
But that is only part of the indictment against it. Its continuing refusal to report on the mounting evidence of Israel’s perpetration of crimes against its own civilians and soldiers on 7 October suggests it has been intentionally whitewashing Israel’s slaughter in Gaza.
Al Jazeera’s investigations unit has gathered many hundreds of hours of film from bodycams worn by Hamas fighters and Israeli soldiers, dashcams and CCTV to compile its myth-busting documentary.
It demonstrates five things that upend the dominant narrative that has been imposed by Israel and the western media.
First, the crimes Hamas committed against civilians in Israel on 7 October - and those it did not - have been used to overshadow the fact that it carried out a spectacularly sophisticated military operation on 7 October in breaking out of a long-besieged Gaza.
The group knocked out Israel’s top-flight surveillance systems that had kept the enclave’s 2.3 million inhabitants imprisoned for decades. It smashed holes in Israel’s highly fortified barrier surrounding Gaza in at least 10 locations. And it caught unawares Israel’s many military camps next to the enclave that had been enforcing the occupation at arms’ length.
More than 350 Israeli soldiers, armed police and guards were killed that day.
I watched enough of it to know it was fabricated. Look, even if it were all true as you believe, it does not even come close to the savagery and sadistic bestiality of the Israelis for nearly 80 years.
If it did happen, blame Israel, for tormenting, torturing, sadistically abusing Palestinians for three generations and ensuring children grow up in a soup of mental and physical torture.
If someone is abused and turns around and attacks their abuser, any court of law takes their suffering into account as mitigating factors.
If the Palestinians demonstrated savagery, then it is because they have been subjected to worse savagery by the Israelis for all of their lives. I suggest you do some research into what happens to sadistically abused children.
There may well have been some mentally ill young men who broke out of the Gaza concentration camp and committed atrocities. But all of that is Israel's fault for committing worse atrocities for nearly a century.
To give you some insights into the lies being spread.
Here is a closer look at the latest misinformation spreading online — and the facts.
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CLAIM: A video shows a Palestinian “crisis actor” removing his bandages to show his worried mother that his injuries aren’t real.
THE FACTS: The man’s injuries are real. Arabic-language experts and the Palestinian journalist who captured the emotional exchange on video say the injured man and others surrounding him were trying to calm the woman, who believed her son had been mortally wounded in an attack during the Israel-Hamas war.
The viral video shows a man sitting on a hospital bed with a large, bloodied bandage wrapped around his head while wearing a blood-soaked t-shirt and tattered pants.
The man appears to have other injuries on his arms and face as he and the men around him speak animatedly to the visibly emotional woman. At one point, one of the men unwraps the bandage over the bedridden man’s head to show the woman the extent of injuries underneath.
“This is gold. A Palestinian mother sees images online showing her son injured. She races to the hospital only to find it’s all fake,” one Instagram user who shared the brief clip wrote in a post that’s been liked more than 11,000 times as of Monday. “He is fine, it’s just an act mommy. It’s called Pallywood. Sad so many are being manipulated.”
But the unidentified man is not faking his injuries. Both he and the men standing by his bedside are simply trying to calm the woman.
Taoufik Ben-Amor, a senior lecturer in Arabic studies at Columbia University in New York, confirmed the men are trying to assure the woman that the injuries are not that serious and that her son will be fine.
“An act of trying to protect the mother from grief,” he wrote in an email.
Nasr Abdo, who is also a lecturer at Columbia University, agreed, after reviewing the video.
“This is a very cultural thing, people and the injured patient are trying to calm the mother down by saying that he is fine and not badly injured,” he wrote in an email. “But there is no indication at all that this is acting. It’s just the way in Arabic saying he is going to be fine.”
Mohmmed Awad, a Palestinian journalist who filmed the video, didn’t respond to messages seeking comment this week, but he conveyed to Kashif, a Palestinian fact checking website, a similar explanation.
Awad, who shared a snippet of the fact check story on Instagram, said the incident happened last week at the Nasser Medical Hospital in Khan Yunis, a city in southern Gaza.
He said the woman came into the hospital screaming, so he followed her to the intensive care unit where her son was being treated for a head injury.
“She thought he was martyred,” Awad told the organization in Arabic. “In the video, they were just reassuring her that her son is okay. Even the injured young man sat up and took the bandage off his head to tell her he was okay.”
— Associated Press writer Philip Marcelo in New York and editor Nadia Ahmed in London contributed this report.
CLAIM: A collage of nine images features the same Palestinian “crisis actor” pretending to be a wounded patient, a dead body and others in the ongoing Israel-Hamas war.
THE FACTS: Not all the photos show the same man. The person who appears to be pretending to be a dead war victim is actually a Thai child wearing a Halloween costume last year. The wounded patient is actually a 16-year old Palestinian boy who lost a leg in the West Bank over the summer.
Social media users are claiming the collage proves Palestinians are faking the gravity of the situation in Gaza.
Most of the nine pictures in the post show a man dressed in different outfits, with captions ranging from “freedom fighter” to “American idol.”
At the center of the collage is an image of a person wrapped head-to-toe in a white sheet but seated upright and looking at a phone in their hands. The text on the photo reads “revived corpse.”
The image to the left of it shows a man with eyes closed laying on a hospital gurney with electronic sensors attached to his bare chest as medical staff attend to him. The text on that photo reads, “Resilient patient.”
“This is a misinformation war. Make no mistake about it. The propaganda is real,” wrote one Instagram user who shared the collage. “Ask yourself: why do they need? #Pallywood #Gaza #FreePalestine from #Hamas.”
But not all of the photos in the montage show the same person.
For example, the photo of the “revived corpse” was originally posted on Oct. 29, 2022, on Facebook by a woman in Thailand.
The post included other photos of her two sons dressed as dead people for Halloween. A local news outlet also shared the mother’s photos on Facebook, noting in a post written in Thai that the pair took third place in a shopping mall costume contest in Nakhon Ratchasima, a major city in the country’s northeast.
As to the image of the “resilient patient” in the collage, it is actually a photo of a Palestinian teen injured months before the latest war with Israel erupted in early October.
Mohammed Zendiq, 16, had his leg amputated following July clashes at a refugee camp in the West Bank, according to an Aug. 25 report from the International Solidarity Movement, a Palestinian-led group.
Other photos in the collage depict a young Palestinian man named Saleh Aljafarawi.
The Gaza resident, who didn’t respond to messages seeking comment, describes himself as an artist on his YouTube page and has been regularly posting images and videos of himself amid the ongoing war on his Facebook, Instagram and other social media accounts.
— Philip Marcelo.
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CLAIM: A video shows a soldier being thrown to the ground as an airstrike hits an Israeli tank.
THE FACTS: The imagery is computer generated and was taken from the trailer for a video game called Squad.
The video, which is circulating on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, appears to show a soldier walking among military vehicles. As an armored vehicle comes up on his left, he waves his hand and says, “Let him through,” before an airstrike hits the vehicle and the soldier is thrown to the ground.
One user shared the video with the caption, “The scene of the destruction of an Israeli tank in the attack of Hamas…”
Another post on X of the same video with a similar caption in Urdu had more than 18,000 likes.
But the clip is identical to the initial scenes of the trailer released for an update to the first-person shooter game Squad in December 2022.
Offworld Industries, the game developer that makes Squad, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
This is not the first time clips of video game footage have been misrepresented as a real-life war. Video of the military simulation game Arma 3 has been shared as both footage of the latest Middle East conflict as well as the war in Ukraine.
— Karena Phan.
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CLAIM: Pro-Palestinian rallies at the University of California, Los Angeles, and the University of Pennsylvania called for “Jewish genocide.”
THE FACTS: The chant uttered in videos of recent demonstrations is being misrepresented. Protestors aren’t saying “We want Jewish genocide,” but “Israel, we charge you with genocide.” Experts and advocates say it’s a typical refrain heard at pro-Palestinian rallies.
One video being miscaptioned shows a group of people chanting protest slogans as they marched through the UCLA campus.
“In UCLA hundreds of students chanting: ‘Israel Israel you can’t hide, we want Jewish genocide’,” wrote one Instagram user in a post sharing the video. “This is not 1930s Germany, this is in Los Angeles October 26th 2023!”
Another video captures similar sounding protest chants at Penn’s campus in Philadelphia on Oct. 16.
“Students @uofpenn gathered chanting ‘We want Jewish genocide’ ‘there is only 1 solution’ in reference to the Nazis ‘final solution’,” wrote an Instagram user who shared the clip in a post. “There has possibly never ever been a more dangerous time to be a Jewish student as Antisemitism continues to grow as a disease.”
But the anti-Israel chants are being misquoted, Jewish and pro-Palestinian groups say.
The protestors are actually chanting, “Israel, Israel, you can’t hide: We charge you with genocide,” the Anti-Defamation League, which frequently speaks out against anti-Semitism and extremism, confirmed in an Oct. 31 email.
It’s a familiar refrain at anti-Israel rallies, but non-Israel-related versions are also heard at other protests, the New York-based Jewish group noted on a page on its webpage debunking false information about the ongoing conflict.
Penn Students Against the Occupation, which organized the Penn rally, dismissed the claims as “blatant disinformation” in a statement posted on Instagram.
The chants at UCLA were similarly misquoted, the university said on a webpage correcting misinformation related to campus events.
Dan Gold, who heads Hillel UCLA, a major Jewish organization on campus, noted his organization has called out the rally for its harmful rhetoric in its public statements.
But he personally observed the protest and confirmed there was no direct call to exterminate Jews.
You are lying and must be deluded or smoking something… Check objective real facts. Get educated. The Hamas and Palestinians that entered Oct 7 had maps of the Jewish homes in the kibbutz to literally target and kill - the same ones that had given them work ( work permits ) to work in Israel
Of course the Nazis / Hitler should have been destroyed just like Hamas must be destroyed they are two sides of the same coin both want to kill Jews and both wanted to prevent a Jewish state with the mufti and Hitler. If the IDF existed in the Holocaust days then the Holocaust would NOT have happened or many millions of Jews could have been. Fortunately IDF will not let Hamas / Islamic jihad finish the rest of the Jewish people in Israel off.
Now I know you are an Israeli, James Jenkins. Anything the Israelis say others are doing, is what the Israelis are doing.
The evidence stands since Israel was invented. Rape, torture, theft, murder, sadistic savagery, lies, propaganda, hatred, vicious cruelty, human shields, targeting civilians, collective punishment, hiding behind civilians - I could go on it is such a long list -WERE AND ARE ALL DONE BY THE ZIORAELIS. We have documented evidence for all those crimes dating back to the 1920's when Jewish terrorist gangs began their bloody rampages around Palestine.
Of course the Nazis / Hitler should have been destroyed just like Hamas must be destroyed they are two sides of the same coin both want to kill Jews and both wanted to prevent a Jewish state with the mufti and Hitler. If the IDF existed in the Holocaust days then the Holocaust would NOT have happened or many millions of Jews could have been SAVED Fortunately IDF will not let Hamas / Islamic jihad finish the rest of the Jewish people in Israel off. We won't let that happen fortunately..
Gosh, you’re still trolling my comment about Hiam Abbas appearing in ‘The Lemon Tree’ movie. You must be full of lemons. Just add salt, pepper and a fake name, and you’ll be taken seriously. Well, maybe not.
South Africa is not inflicting a savage, bestial, sadistic and genocidal military colonial occupation on anyone. Israel is and Israel claims to be a Western democracy and is judged by the bar it has set itself.
South Africa ls bankrupt and is constant violence and murders between blacks and whites and then some..your point is feeble and you conflate… so they should just worry about their own broken state. If Muslim terrorists existed there they would be eliminated
Then you have not been listening or reading and blatantly believe the false narratives being peddle here. You continue to parrot the same false assumptions. Debate cannot be actually had when the author here states with a deluded authority that israel does not even exist….. hello ? How you debate that ? How can you even debate this actual bullshit nonsense you can’t so you are correcf in part in so far as using the word debate. You cannot debate here but I like debates. I debate and accept fair points but not ludicrously being peddled as fact and all one sided.. I don’t care what you think and what you peddle but expect to be challenged by anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Fringe views and flawed a historical narratives will never condenses - bagging a one sided narrative will be shown for what it is.. good luck with that
I follow and accept objective thought and accept cogent logical thought like people like Douglas Murray - I don’t think you will ever gets his reach etc.
If you truly care about so called Arab Palestinians who are Arabs in the Levant then you would be arguing for them to eliminate the likes of Hamas and Islamic jihadi and condemn the Iranian regime and accept Israel as Jewish state for steps towards genuine peace rather than support lopsided one sided arguments just demonising Israel’s actual right to exist over and over again as these pages do that won’t go anywhere but I don’t you make a difference anyway apart from listeners that follow this one sided narrative that achieves nothing but the opposite effect.. ( not true peace that’s for sure ).
I would put my low profile money made in my private business ( unknown to anyone on here where to actual that can make a difference rather than try and get followers here for money or donate to anyone here that peddles clear false narratives claims they are journalists on here when they are not. I do follow and donate to some persons on here who are clearly respected and deal with facts and intelligent thought rather than joker journalists who simply promote an anti Zionist anti Israel agenda thread as activists - just demonstrable. Those people deserve to be called out or can they try and debate honestly but they fail with comments like Israel does not even exist when it does - Cleary false.. learn to stop making false assumptions and calling others trolls you think it does you favours it doesn’t
Believe it or not I care about peaceful Palestinians that genuinely want peace. But in my experience many people can’t get through to Islamic jihadis they are usually a lost cause unless they can be turned around. We can hope…
Think about it carefully. A state which has no nationality called Israeli and no declared borders, logically does not really exist.
It is an interesting symbolism that the Israel of religious writing never truly existed either, beyond a primitive tribal group in Palestine and today, the State which calls itself Israel has no citizens called Israelis and no borders. Ergo, Israel does not really exist.
If the only nationality for the Zionist State is Jew, then it should change its name to Jewdistan.
It’s a Jewish majority state . Israel is the name ( Jordan an Arab state is NOT called Arabstein you kook or Bahrain Arab state is not called arabstein ) . There are 2 million Arabs living in Israel proper - so that cannot be racist as you put it if multiple Arab states like Jordan 95 % Arab but with no Jews living there. Infact where did all Jews go in middle eastern Islamic / or Arab states
1947 UN partition was about a Jewish state and Arab state -
There are over ten Arab states - which one is called Arabstein ? None lol you are a DISTORTER so your point is feeble flawed inaccurate again.
Palestine does not exist as a state has no clear borders so get your facts right. They rejected the offer in 2000 and 2008 which stated a future Palestine borders must be negotiated. Israel has already its borders clear in Israel proper and is a nation state - a Jewish state - now breathe and accept that fact or peddle your BS which you are free to do. You anti Zionist rants and one sided misleading toxic narrative…
The disputed territory outside Israel proper that has autonomous rule in area a and b of Judas and Samaria is governed by Fatah party / PA..
Gaza was ruled by Hamas after 2005 when Israel withdrew
Techinical it is those territories that belonged to Jordan and Egypt and previously others
It is technically israel land under utti POSSIDETIS Juris but Israel let them rule it to the extend their security is not compromised. They should have kept it.
You are wrong and deceptive and trying to convince yourself as you make things up with your stupid anti Jewish state ideology The nationality is a keen Jewish majority state and it has defined borders with Israel proper. Israel is a Jewish majority nation state- that is the nationality - it also has 2 M Arabs including some Druze etc. Again imo you are clearly being deceptive justifying every one sided narrative Anti Zionist narrative and fortunately you are wasting your time but if it makes you feel good peddling this fraud then keep going
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
Yes you do - GET EDUCATED ON ALL SIDES
Educated debate is important, but James, you're not debating, and are thus a troll. I would never have allowed such repetition on my page, so salutes to Roslyn's angel-like patience.
So according to radical left pro Hamas apologists a troll is someone who disagrees with one sided narrative peddled on this page
Righto
Oh so sorry Jews were firing rockets into Nazis from their Jewish civilian areas ( like Hamas is ) to cause the Nazi German Holocaust that’s hitlers defence thats right. I Must be absurdly stupid like Marxist radical arab / and islamic Terrorism rot yes along with Hitler yes
Jews would have fired rockets if they had them. As an American writer, also Jewish, said after October 7, if Jews had broken out of the Warsaw Ghetto and found Germans dancing around at a music festival they would have attacked them as well.
The Palestinian Resistance/Hamas targeted military personnel which is legitimate. They had no idea the music festival was on.
Civilians, young men around the age of 20, broke out after them and they targeted civilians. They were not a part of the Palestinian Resistance. There was a video after October 7 of an Israeli soldier stating civilians attacked Israeli civilians.
Since those young men, all of their lives, from the time they were toddlers had been subjected to the worst kinds of mental and physical torture by the Israelis - sonic booms, bombing, bullets - and had seen their family friends, homes, society, torn apart in a bloody mess, not once, but many times by the savages who ruled them, one presumes some would have been less than mentally well.
Blame Israel for that. Torture children from the time they are born and they are not going to like you, they will want to hurt you as you hurt them.
You points are feeble and outrageous..
Only radical left nut jobs and the Iranian regime calls Hamas . Houthis and Hezbollah resistance as you do. No they are not resistance and it’s not legitimate. They are Islamic terrorists
What Hamas did on Oct 7 burning burning and butchering and killing innocent civilians at a rave and in the kibitz was a barbaric pogrom mass murder pogrom including violent rapes / murder against girls & others was horrendous which they admitted to. But only the likes of you would twist this too
Yes only radical left nut jobs and Iran regime itself would like and say what Hamas did on Oct 7 aas legitimate and that that are resistance
They slaughtered intentionally innocent civilians in rave parties and in the kibbutz and there were many girls who got sadistically raped then slaughtered..
When you repeat charges that have been debunked you damage whatever case you think you are making.
Most Israelis who died, 1,149 at final count, were killed by their own soldiers, incinerated by Hellfire Missiles sent into Kibbutz homes and the fleeing music festival crowd. That was stated by Israeli survivors and confirmed by military experts who all said, Hamas/Palestinian Resistance does not have the weapons to incinerate people, cars, homes which is what happened. Neither do they have the helicopters which delivered such missiles.
We know about the Hannibal Directive where the Israeli forces kill their own if they can also kill Palestinians and to prevent hostages being taken. That is why so many Israelis died on October 7.
And even the Israeli police stated they had dropped the investigations into the rape claims because they had no witnesses and no evidence.
Israeli police unable to verify 'Hamas rape' stories
Despite the spread of rape allegations across western media, Israeli police have failed to connect the few testimonies collected to any actual victims
News Desk. JAN 5, 2024
Israeli police are unable to verify accounts of sexual assault allegedly committed by Palestinian fighters on 7 October, Haaretz reported on 4 January.
From October 23, 2023.
Israel settler: ‘Israel forces killed hostages, not Hamas
Israeli settler Yasmin Porat has claimed that Israeli civilians were killed by Israeli forces and not by Hamas.
This came in an interview by Porat with an Israeli radio station on 15 October, where she said: “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages. There was very, very heavy crossfire and even tank shelling.”
The 44-year-old mother of three stated that she and other civilians were held by the Palestinians for several hours and were treated “humanely”.
The claims of beheaded, microwaved, hung on lines babies were also debunked as lies coming from a fanatical Jewish group, with no training or expertise, who were involved in collecting bodies.
Quote: You have probably heard the story that Hamas fighters beheaded 40 Israeli children in the Kfar Aza community near Gaza. This story can be traced back to interviews given by Major David Ben Zion. According to his Twitter bio, he is the Deputy Head of the settler leadership organization, the Samaria Regional Council, and a member of the Board of Directors of the National Fund for Israel, a quasi-governmental agency used to acquire land in Palestine that is then made available exclusively for use by the Israeli state.
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/there-is-no-proof-palestinian-fighters-beheaded-babies-the-only-source-is-a-radical-settler/
There were no babies hung on clotheslines. There were no babies beheaded or put in ovens, no pregnant women with their stomachs cut open.
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/02/we-deserve-the-truth-about-what-happened-on-october-7/
One critical point of contention is the official list of Israeli casualties. Israel released a list of its dead on October 23, revealing that over 48% of those listed were soldiers or armed police on active duty, not civilians. Additionally, it has become evident that members of armed settler militias were also among the casualties.
Survivor testimonies, such as that of Yasmin Porat, suggest that Hamas captured civilians as bargaining chips to end the illegal siege on Gaza and secure the release of some of the 5,300 Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons, many of whom are women and children. Porat noted that Hamas treated her and others humanely, with an expressed intention to transport them to Gaza. “They were very humane towards us,” she said in an interview on Israeli state radio. She also added that one Hamas fighter told her, ‘We’re not going to kill you. We want to take you to Gaza.’ Once released, Porat also claimed that the Israeli government gave her a specific script of talking points that she refused to go along with.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/what-really-happened-on-october-7/286139/
NB: The disinformation some post, offers valuable opportunities to counter their lies with truth. I would suggest anyone who is interested, copies posts like this to use against other Zionist shills.
Hamas murdered thousands and violently raped many Israeli girls civilians and took
The fact that 40 beheaded babies story was discredited does not change the fact what Hamas did
You clearly did not watch the long raw video footage shown ( including by Hamas video footage itself ) to reputable journalists and others that proved beyond dispute what Hamas did and the brutality of it all
Rescued hostages from Hamas captivity has spoken bluntly about the cruel treatment they endured including sexual rape in respect to the female ones
I’ve heard the radical left nut job stories try and discredit that it never happened
The fact that ( if ) IDF killed their own in trying to kill Hamas that is a tragedy.
As I have demonstrated, the evidence is that most Israelis were killed by their own military, described as 'friendly fire,' from the use of Hellfire Missiles. Hamas did not murder thousands. The final Israeli death toll, most of whom were military, was 1,149. That is not thousands and most were not killed by Hamas.
Israel has however killed hundreds of thousands in its revenge slaughter.
The video you are talking about was created, fabricated, confected by the Israelis who are not a credible source for anything. I have read a great deal of information from language experts, and those with experience in Arab cultures, the creation of videos etc., and the video footage you cite does not hold up as credible.
Rescued hostages, the females spoke of how well they were treated. Why make things up? Your lies are so easily refuted.
Freed Hamas hostage recounts ordeal, slams Israeli failures, speaks well of captors
Yocheved Lifshitz, 85, released Monday, describes hell as terrorists rampaged in kibbutz; abductors beat her on way to Gaza; was taken into ‘spiderweb’ of tunnels, treated with care.
Source: Times of Israel.
Most Israeli hostages freed Friday appear in good physical health, says hospitals.
https://www.australianjewishnews.com/most-israeli-hostages-freed-friday-appear-in-good-physical-health-says-hospitals/
The tragedy is 80 years of savagery from Israelis toward the native people whose land they have stolen.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/what-really-happened-on-october-7/286139/
No you have not demonstrated anything. This is misleading and false to say MOST. Again you clearly have NOT watched the raw footage and video shown to journalist and dignitaries showing beyond reasonable doubt the brutalities of Hamas and what they did to whole families in Israel butchering them. Any one that tries to shift that fact and downplay these facts is seriously telling for this alone
For weeks, as Gaza was battered with bombs and the body count in the tiny enclave rose inexorably, western publics had little choice but to rely on Israel’s word for what happened on 7 October. Some 1,150 Israelis were killed during an unprecedented attack on Israeli communities and military posts next to Gaza.
Beheaded babies, a pregnant woman with her womb cut open and the foetus stabbed, children put in ovens, hundreds of people burned alive, mutilation of corpses, a systematic campaign of indescribably savage rapes and acts of necrophilia.
Western politicians and media lapped it up, repeating the allegations uncritically while ignoring Israel’s genocidal rhetoric and increasingly genocidal military operations these claims supported.
Then, as the mountain of bodies in Gaza grew still higher, the supposed evidence was shared with a few, select western journalists and influencers. They were invited to private screenings of footage carefully curated by Israeli officials to paint the worst possible picture of the Hamas operation.
These new initiates offered few details but implied the footage confirmed many of the horrors. They readily repeated Israeli claims that Hamas was “worse than Isis”, the Islamic State group.
The impression of unparalleled depravity from Hamas was reinforced by the willingness of the western media to allow Israeli spokespeople, Israel’s supporters and western politicians to continue spreading unchallenged the claim that Hamas had committed unspeakable, sadistic atrocities – from beheading and burning babies to carrying out a campaign of rapes.
The only journalist in the British mainstream media to dissent was Owen Jones. Agreeing that Israel’s video showed terrible crimes committed against civilians, he noted that none of the barbarous acts listed above were included.
What was shown instead were the kind of terrible crimes against civilians all too familiar in wars and uprisings.
Whitewashing genocide
Jones faced a barrage of attacks from colleagues accusing him of being an atrocity apologist. His own newspaper, the Guardian, appears to have prevented him from writing about Gaza in its pages as a consequence.
Now, after nearly six months, the exclusive narrative stranglehold on those events by Israel and its media acolytes has finally been broken.
Last week, Al Jazeera aired an hour-long documentary, called simply “October 7”, that lets western publics see for themselves what took place. It seems that Jones’ account was closest to the truth.
Yet, Al Jazeera’s film goes further still, divulging for the first time to a wider audience facts that have been all over the Israeli media for months but have been carefully excluded from western coverage. The reason is clear: those facts would implicate Israel in some of the atrocities it has been ascribing to Hamas for months.
Middle East Eye highlighted these glaring plot holes in the West’s media narrative way back in December. Nothing has been done to correct the record since.
Jonathan Cook
Dec 16
The BBC and other media outlets keep revisiting the crimes Hamas committed on October 7, but have failed to report on growing evidence that Israel killed its own citizens that day, often in grotesque fashion.
Why is the media ignoring evidence of Israel’s own actions on 7 October?
The BBC and others keep revisiting Hamas crimes that day, but fail to report on growing evidence that Israel killed its own citizens, often in grotesque fashion
The establishment media has proved it is not to be trusted. For months it has credulously recited Israeli propaganda in support of a genocide.
But that is only part of the indictment against it. Its continuing refusal to report on the mounting evidence of Israel’s perpetration of crimes against its own civilians and soldiers on 7 October suggests it has been intentionally whitewashing Israel’s slaughter in Gaza.
Al Jazeera’s investigations unit has gathered many hundreds of hours of film from bodycams worn by Hamas fighters and Israeli soldiers, dashcams and CCTV to compile its myth-busting documentary.
It demonstrates five things that upend the dominant narrative that has been imposed by Israel and the western media.
First, the crimes Hamas committed against civilians in Israel on 7 October - and those it did not - have been used to overshadow the fact that it carried out a spectacularly sophisticated military operation on 7 October in breaking out of a long-besieged Gaza.
The group knocked out Israel’s top-flight surveillance systems that had kept the enclave’s 2.3 million inhabitants imprisoned for decades. It smashed holes in Israel’s highly fortified barrier surrounding Gaza in at least 10 locations. And it caught unawares Israel’s many military camps next to the enclave that had been enforcing the occupation at arms’ length.
More than 350 Israeli soldiers, armed police and guards were killed that day.
Jonathon Cook
I watched enough of it to know it was fabricated. Look, even if it were all true as you believe, it does not even come close to the savagery and sadistic bestiality of the Israelis for nearly 80 years.
If it did happen, blame Israel, for tormenting, torturing, sadistically abusing Palestinians for three generations and ensuring children grow up in a soup of mental and physical torture.
If someone is abused and turns around and attacks their abuser, any court of law takes their suffering into account as mitigating factors.
If the Palestinians demonstrated savagery, then it is because they have been subjected to worse savagery by the Israelis for all of their lives. I suggest you do some research into what happens to sadistically abused children.
There may well have been some mentally ill young men who broke out of the Gaza concentration camp and committed atrocities. But all of that is Israel's fault for committing worse atrocities for nearly a century.
To give you some insights into the lies being spread.
Here is a closer look at the latest misinformation spreading online — and the facts.
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CLAIM: A video shows a Palestinian “crisis actor” removing his bandages to show his worried mother that his injuries aren’t real.
THE FACTS: The man’s injuries are real. Arabic-language experts and the Palestinian journalist who captured the emotional exchange on video say the injured man and others surrounding him were trying to calm the woman, who believed her son had been mortally wounded in an attack during the Israel-Hamas war.
The viral video shows a man sitting on a hospital bed with a large, bloodied bandage wrapped around his head while wearing a blood-soaked t-shirt and tattered pants.
The man appears to have other injuries on his arms and face as he and the men around him speak animatedly to the visibly emotional woman. At one point, one of the men unwraps the bandage over the bedridden man’s head to show the woman the extent of injuries underneath.
“This is gold. A Palestinian mother sees images online showing her son injured. She races to the hospital only to find it’s all fake,” one Instagram user who shared the brief clip wrote in a post that’s been liked more than 11,000 times as of Monday. “He is fine, it’s just an act mommy. It’s called Pallywood. Sad so many are being manipulated.”
But the unidentified man is not faking his injuries. Both he and the men standing by his bedside are simply trying to calm the woman.
Taoufik Ben-Amor, a senior lecturer in Arabic studies at Columbia University in New York, confirmed the men are trying to assure the woman that the injuries are not that serious and that her son will be fine.
“An act of trying to protect the mother from grief,” he wrote in an email.
Nasr Abdo, who is also a lecturer at Columbia University, agreed, after reviewing the video.
“This is a very cultural thing, people and the injured patient are trying to calm the mother down by saying that he is fine and not badly injured,” he wrote in an email. “But there is no indication at all that this is acting. It’s just the way in Arabic saying he is going to be fine.”
Mohmmed Awad, a Palestinian journalist who filmed the video, didn’t respond to messages seeking comment this week, but he conveyed to Kashif, a Palestinian fact checking website, a similar explanation.
Awad, who shared a snippet of the fact check story on Instagram, said the incident happened last week at the Nasser Medical Hospital in Khan Yunis, a city in southern Gaza.
He said the woman came into the hospital screaming, so he followed her to the intensive care unit where her son was being treated for a head injury.
“She thought he was martyred,” Awad told the organization in Arabic. “In the video, they were just reassuring her that her son is okay. Even the injured young man sat up and took the bandage off his head to tell her he was okay.”
— Associated Press writer Philip Marcelo in New York and editor Nadia Ahmed in London contributed this report.
CLAIM: A collage of nine images features the same Palestinian “crisis actor” pretending to be a wounded patient, a dead body and others in the ongoing Israel-Hamas war.
THE FACTS: Not all the photos show the same man. The person who appears to be pretending to be a dead war victim is actually a Thai child wearing a Halloween costume last year. The wounded patient is actually a 16-year old Palestinian boy who lost a leg in the West Bank over the summer.
Social media users are claiming the collage proves Palestinians are faking the gravity of the situation in Gaza.
Most of the nine pictures in the post show a man dressed in different outfits, with captions ranging from “freedom fighter” to “American idol.”
At the center of the collage is an image of a person wrapped head-to-toe in a white sheet but seated upright and looking at a phone in their hands. The text on the photo reads “revived corpse.”
The image to the left of it shows a man with eyes closed laying on a hospital gurney with electronic sensors attached to his bare chest as medical staff attend to him. The text on that photo reads, “Resilient patient.”
“This is a misinformation war. Make no mistake about it. The propaganda is real,” wrote one Instagram user who shared the collage. “Ask yourself: why do they need? #Pallywood #Gaza #FreePalestine from #Hamas.”
But not all of the photos in the montage show the same person.
For example, the photo of the “revived corpse” was originally posted on Oct. 29, 2022, on Facebook by a woman in Thailand.
The post included other photos of her two sons dressed as dead people for Halloween. A local news outlet also shared the mother’s photos on Facebook, noting in a post written in Thai that the pair took third place in a shopping mall costume contest in Nakhon Ratchasima, a major city in the country’s northeast.
As to the image of the “resilient patient” in the collage, it is actually a photo of a Palestinian teen injured months before the latest war with Israel erupted in early October.
Mohammed Zendiq, 16, had his leg amputated following July clashes at a refugee camp in the West Bank, according to an Aug. 25 report from the International Solidarity Movement, a Palestinian-led group.
Other photos in the collage depict a young Palestinian man named Saleh Aljafarawi.
The Gaza resident, who didn’t respond to messages seeking comment, describes himself as an artist on his YouTube page and has been regularly posting images and videos of himself amid the ongoing war on his Facebook, Instagram and other social media accounts.
— Philip Marcelo.
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CLAIM: A video shows a soldier being thrown to the ground as an airstrike hits an Israeli tank.
THE FACTS: The imagery is computer generated and was taken from the trailer for a video game called Squad.
The video, which is circulating on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, appears to show a soldier walking among military vehicles. As an armored vehicle comes up on his left, he waves his hand and says, “Let him through,” before an airstrike hits the vehicle and the soldier is thrown to the ground.
One user shared the video with the caption, “The scene of the destruction of an Israeli tank in the attack of Hamas…”
Another post on X of the same video with a similar caption in Urdu had more than 18,000 likes.
But the clip is identical to the initial scenes of the trailer released for an update to the first-person shooter game Squad in December 2022.
Offworld Industries, the game developer that makes Squad, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
This is not the first time clips of video game footage have been misrepresented as a real-life war. Video of the military simulation game Arma 3 has been shared as both footage of the latest Middle East conflict as well as the war in Ukraine.
— Karena Phan.
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CLAIM: Pro-Palestinian rallies at the University of California, Los Angeles, and the University of Pennsylvania called for “Jewish genocide.”
THE FACTS: The chant uttered in videos of recent demonstrations is being misrepresented. Protestors aren’t saying “We want Jewish genocide,” but “Israel, we charge you with genocide.” Experts and advocates say it’s a typical refrain heard at pro-Palestinian rallies.
One video being miscaptioned shows a group of people chanting protest slogans as they marched through the UCLA campus.
“In UCLA hundreds of students chanting: ‘Israel Israel you can’t hide, we want Jewish genocide’,” wrote one Instagram user in a post sharing the video. “This is not 1930s Germany, this is in Los Angeles October 26th 2023!”
Another video captures similar sounding protest chants at Penn’s campus in Philadelphia on Oct. 16.
“Students @uofpenn gathered chanting ‘We want Jewish genocide’ ‘there is only 1 solution’ in reference to the Nazis ‘final solution’,” wrote an Instagram user who shared the clip in a post. “There has possibly never ever been a more dangerous time to be a Jewish student as Antisemitism continues to grow as a disease.”
But the anti-Israel chants are being misquoted, Jewish and pro-Palestinian groups say.
The protestors are actually chanting, “Israel, Israel, you can’t hide: We charge you with genocide,” the Anti-Defamation League, which frequently speaks out against anti-Semitism and extremism, confirmed in an Oct. 31 email.
It’s a familiar refrain at anti-Israel rallies, but non-Israel-related versions are also heard at other protests, the New York-based Jewish group noted on a page on its webpage debunking false information about the ongoing conflict.
Penn Students Against the Occupation, which organized the Penn rally, dismissed the claims as “blatant disinformation” in a statement posted on Instagram.
The chants at UCLA were similarly misquoted, the university said on a webpage correcting misinformation related to campus events.
Dan Gold, who heads Hillel UCLA, a major Jewish organization on campus, noted his organization has called out the rally for its harmful rhetoric in its public statements.
But he personally observed the protest and confirmed there was no direct call to exterminate Jews.
— Philip Marcelo.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-fact-check-e829d1dddcc2dad0f5f99cf62ef353ad
I blame Hamas 100 %
You are lying and must be deluded or smoking something… Check objective real facts. Get educated. The Hamas and Palestinians that entered Oct 7 had maps of the Jewish homes in the kibbutz to literally target and kill - the same ones that had given them work ( work permits ) to work in Israel
Oh please you are literally radical mad
Despicable
Of course the Nazis / Hitler should have been destroyed just like Hamas must be destroyed they are two sides of the same coin both want to kill Jews and both wanted to prevent a Jewish state with the mufti and Hitler. If the IDF existed in the Holocaust days then the Holocaust would NOT have happened or many millions of Jews could have been. Fortunately IDF will not let Hamas / Islamic jihad finish the rest of the Jewish people in Israel off.
Trolls from South Africa Not solving South Africa accusing others of being trolls
All that friction from masturbating on antiwar pages must mean you're a Zippy Zion oil salesman. You know, so you don't get a rash.
Now I know you are an Israeli, James Jenkins. Anything the Israelis say others are doing, is what the Israelis are doing.
The evidence stands since Israel was invented. Rape, torture, theft, murder, sadistic savagery, lies, propaganda, hatred, vicious cruelty, human shields, targeting civilians, collective punishment, hiding behind civilians - I could go on it is such a long list -WERE AND ARE ALL DONE BY THE ZIORAELIS. We have documented evidence for all those crimes dating back to the 1920's when Jewish terrorist gangs began their bloody rampages around Palestine.
Oh please you are literally radical mad
Despicable
Of course the Nazis / Hitler should have been destroyed just like Hamas must be destroyed they are two sides of the same coin both want to kill Jews and both wanted to prevent a Jewish state with the mufti and Hitler. If the IDF existed in the Holocaust days then the Holocaust would NOT have happened or many millions of Jews could have been SAVED Fortunately IDF will not let Hamas / Islamic jihad finish the rest of the Jewish people in Israel off. We won't let that happen fortunately..
Gosh, you’re still trolling my comment about Hiam Abbas appearing in ‘The Lemon Tree’ movie. You must be full of lemons. Just add salt, pepper and a fake name, and you’ll be taken seriously. Well, maybe not.
I’m not commenting about your lemons sir
So just suck on them and enjoy
I really think you should help to fix bankrupt broken South Africa first perhaps… good luck with that
South Africa is not inflicting a savage, bestial, sadistic and genocidal military colonial occupation on anyone. Israel is and Israel claims to be a Western democracy and is judged by the bar it has set itself.
Your key words ‘ colonial , bestial , genocide ‘ you say it as if is fact. You misleading lies and one sided narrative and that is the fact.
South Africa ls bankrupt and is constant violence and murders between blacks and whites and then some..your point is feeble and you conflate… so they should just worry about their own broken state. If Muslim terrorists existed there they would be eliminated
Then you have not been listening or reading and blatantly believe the false narratives being peddle here. You continue to parrot the same false assumptions. Debate cannot be actually had when the author here states with a deluded authority that israel does not even exist….. hello ? How you debate that ? How can you even debate this actual bullshit nonsense you can’t so you are correcf in part in so far as using the word debate. You cannot debate here but I like debates. I debate and accept fair points but not ludicrously being peddled as fact and all one sided.. I don’t care what you think and what you peddle but expect to be challenged by anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Fringe views and flawed a historical narratives will never condenses - bagging a one sided narrative will be shown for what it is.. good luck with that
I follow and accept objective thought and accept cogent logical thought like people like Douglas Murray - I don’t think you will ever gets his reach etc.
If you truly care about so called Arab Palestinians who are Arabs in the Levant then you would be arguing for them to eliminate the likes of Hamas and Islamic jihadi and condemn the Iranian regime and accept Israel as Jewish state for steps towards genuine peace rather than support lopsided one sided arguments just demonising Israel’s actual right to exist over and over again as these pages do that won’t go anywhere but I don’t you make a difference anyway apart from listeners that follow this one sided narrative that achieves nothing but the opposite effect.. ( not true peace that’s for sure ).
I would put my low profile money made in my private business ( unknown to anyone on here where to actual that can make a difference rather than try and get followers here for money or donate to anyone here that peddles clear false narratives claims they are journalists on here when they are not. I do follow and donate to some persons on here who are clearly respected and deal with facts and intelligent thought rather than joker journalists who simply promote an anti Zionist anti Israel agenda thread as activists - just demonstrable. Those people deserve to be called out or can they try and debate honestly but they fail with comments like Israel does not even exist when it does - Cleary false.. learn to stop making false assumptions and calling others trolls you think it does you favours it doesn’t
Believe it or not I care about peaceful Palestinians that genuinely want peace. But in my experience many people can’t get through to Islamic jihadis they are usually a lost cause unless they can be turned around. We can hope…
Think about it carefully. A state which has no nationality called Israeli and no declared borders, logically does not really exist.
It is an interesting symbolism that the Israel of religious writing never truly existed either, beyond a primitive tribal group in Palestine and today, the State which calls itself Israel has no citizens called Israelis and no borders. Ergo, Israel does not really exist.
If the only nationality for the Zionist State is Jew, then it should change its name to Jewdistan.
It’s a Jewish majority state . Israel is the name ( Jordan an Arab state is NOT called Arabstein you kook or Bahrain Arab state is not called arabstein ) . There are 2 million Arabs living in Israel proper - so that cannot be racist as you put it if multiple Arab states like Jordan 95 % Arab but with no Jews living there. Infact where did all Jews go in middle eastern Islamic / or Arab states
1947 UN partition was about a Jewish state and Arab state -
There are over ten Arab states - which one is called Arabstein ? None lol you are a DISTORTER so your point is feeble flawed inaccurate again.
Israel a Jewish state ( Jewish majority 80 % Jewish )
Jordan an Arab state ( mainly 92 % + Arab ) is that called Arabstein ? Lol
You make points against yourself
Palestine does not exist as a state has no clear borders so get your facts right. They rejected the offer in 2000 and 2008 which stated a future Palestine borders must be negotiated. Israel has already its borders clear in Israel proper and is a nation state - a Jewish state - now breathe and accept that fact or peddle your BS which you are free to do. You anti Zionist rants and one sided misleading toxic narrative…
The disputed territory outside Israel proper that has autonomous rule in area a and b of Judas and Samaria is governed by Fatah party / PA..
Gaza was ruled by Hamas after 2005 when Israel withdrew
Techinical it is those territories that belonged to Jordan and Egypt and previously others
It is technically israel land under utti POSSIDETIS Juris but Israel let them rule it to the extend their security is not compromised. They should have kept it.
You are wrong and deceptive and trying to convince yourself as you make things up with your stupid anti Jewish state ideology The nationality is a keen Jewish majority state and it has defined borders with Israel proper. Israel is a Jewish majority nation state- that is the nationality - it also has 2 M Arabs including some Druze etc. Again imo you are clearly being deceptive justifying every one sided narrative Anti Zionist narrative and fortunately you are wasting your time but if it makes you feel good peddling this fraud then keep going
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..
You are misleading and one sided yet again. Israel was founded then almost immediately found itself defending itself against a coalition of Arab states who ( who had rejected a separate Arab state ( not Palestine state ) who were clearly GENOCIDAL arab 48 was to literally “ drive the Jews into the sea” - had clear genocidal intent - to destroy the newly formed Jewish state. ( Israel didn’t have hardly American weapons then ) and won. And Jews and Arabs died in that war and atrocities happen on both sides and arab leaders asked many Arabs to leave and return once they drove the Jews into the sea.. AGAIN ARAB STATES FAILED.. Jews were ethnically cleansed from Westbank ( Judea Samaria ) thereafter by Jordan who essentially annexed Westbank.
Your one sided narrative that all Israel is doing is committing genocide now after Oct 7 is false and all this time is false - not true.
As for your stated Ben Grunion comments in 1936 ? That’s in hotly in dispute and I don’t agree with that assertion regardless as Arabs were killing Jews in Ottoman empire ruled land and vice versa and under British mandate rule so. Again Palestine never existed as a state. But the first female PM was from there too before modern israel was formed as a Jewish state again - so your one sided narrative can be used both ways against your point too.
And Israel being a colonialist state is flawed nonsense I’ve heard this rubbish time and time again from fringe radical left rot so called education it is not accurate in fact. And who are the Jews in Israel being allegedly colonialists for can i ask which country ??
The idea that you peddle constantly that israel is terrorist state is NOT fact but your feeble opinion that is a one sided anti Israel narrative and even racist or bigoted against a Jewish nation - and a blood libel. The fact that almost pure ethno Arab ( oe even religious Islamic nations to cover all fields ) nations exist where littke Jews exist and you don’t say that is racist … and yet one Jewish nation exists as secular or religious Jewish state and you try to discredit that and say it’s racist jewish state but then say ridiculously oh it’s like not Jewish but only if they follow Judaism is irrelevant as it’s not even true because being Jewish is an ethnicity too as well as it can be when one follow the Jewish religion ( Judaism ) they are also Jewish or born Jewish from a mother that is the fact according to Jewish law and ifs not for you to dictate who is Jewish and who isn’t. But your argument falls away if Israel decided to become a pure Jewish theocracy state like Saudi Arabia is Islamic theocracy ( and Arab state ) so your point trying to say that Jews are not Jews is absurd. Because they are Jews and the majority of Jews are Zionists in Israel be it mihrazi Jews from Middle East / or Sephardic or Ashkenazi Jews all have a right to live in Israel the Jewish state ( secular or religious or otherwise ) as Israel decides who it’s Jewish citizens or otherwise will be - not you or I……… just like Arab ethno states or Islamic states decide which Arab or Muslim becomes a citizen of there country . Not you..