If that’s what you believe - a flawed false narrative of Palestine then I say to you should practise what you preach and STAY SILENT before embarrassing yourself and get educated on the facts - you would even deflect the fact that Palestine never existed as country or nation state so your narrative you peddle with others is flawed and broken. Oppressor / oppressed matrix yes ? Lol
If that’s what you believe - a flawed false narrative of Palestine then I say to you should practise what you preach and STAY SILENT before embarrassing yourself and get educated on the facts - you would even deflect the fact that Palestine never existed as country or nation state so your narrative you peddle with others is flawed and broken. Oppressor / oppressed matrix yes ? Lol
You are saying that a country which others deem not to be a country even though the historical facts declare that it is, has no rights? You are trying to use a ridiculous and easily disproven argument that because Palestine was not a country then the European colonists who invaded and now call themselves Israelis, have a right to commit colonial genocidal ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture, theft on the people of Palestine.
What an appalling claim to make. In a civilized world, our modern world everyone has human rights and NO-ONE, not even racist Zionists and Jews have a right to subject anyone to one of the most sadistic, savage, bestial and evil military colonial occupations in history.
I realise Israelis and many of their supporters are brainwashed and bigoted, which does diminish intelligence, but either you make a case to prove your position or we conclude it has no substance and you cannot.
Palestine has a history going back more than 5000 years according to Egyptologists. We have maps, records, letters, reports, drawings, etchings, paintings, and then photographs of Palestine and Palestinians going back thousands of years. The delusional claim Palestine did not exist is ridiculous.
Palestine was a country even if it was not a nation state. The concept of nation state is historically recent, first mooted in the 18th century and only becoming a reality in the 19th century. Neither Italy or Germany were nation states until the late 19th century, but if you told them they did not exist prior to this point, despite being countries for thousands of years, they would rightly conclude you were insane.
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself can rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel but again is today and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
I am sorry you have an inferior phone and cannot afford a laptop.
You said: You are dishonest and misleading
What is dishonest is anyone foolish enough to claim Palestine does not exist and did not exist, that genocide is not happening and that Israel is not a terrorist State.
As to Douglas Murray, one can only assume he is paid very well to be a Zionist shill. As someone who previously appeared intelligent, his lack of intelligence and integrity on this issue is sad to see. But money talks.
Murray, Ferguson and Gillard could not rip through the facts presented because facts create a solid wall of truth which has no holes. Gillard is also sad and one can only assume the Ziobullies got to her as well.
You said:ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative.
Any sane and decent human would be anti-zionist which is a fascist, thuggish, racist, sadistic political organisation.
Any sane and decent human would be anti the Israeli State for its history of sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery.
Any sane and decent human being would be pro a Resistance militia fighting for justice, freedom and human and civil rights in their homeland and that includes the political party and prisoner support group which is Hamas.
And since I have never mentioned Arafat I am not sure what you are talking about. He was corrupt and flawed but, compared to the Israelis, a saint.
You said: Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all.
Okay, I see you do not do nuance. Of course a State which people call Israel exists for the moment. But, technically speaking since there are no Israeli citizens and this state has no borders, logically it does not truly exist.
Palestine will be free and it will be a State and it will be a democracy. Some Israelis will choose to stay and become Palestinians but many will go back to where they came from. The UN forces will need to monitor the situation for some years because the former Israelis will find it difficult to give up their hatred of Palestinians and their constant attacks on them.
A lot of Jews want the Jewish state destroyed because it is an undemocratic, tyrannical travesty for Judaism and the world.
You said: it is israel who has the say its Israel land today
Actually it isn't. It is international law and the native people, the Palestinians who have the say on what can and cannot be called Israel, should it continue to exist.
For UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES to apply, Israel must first be legal with legal borders. Israel is not legal, was never legal and has no borders. Israel was founded in genocidal invasion and a war of ethnic cleansing and Right of Conquest was dissolved in 1945 so nothing taken from 1947 is legal.
You said: israel withdrew in 2005
Israel withdrew illegal Jewish colonists in Gaza and illegal military bases in 2005. It put the illegal colonists in other parts of Occupied Palestine still illegal. ISRAEL DID NOT END THE OCCUPATION AS Amira Hass stated in Haaretz, earlier this year.
ISRAEL ISSUES ID CARDS TO EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN INCLUDING THOSE IN THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP. Israel remained the military colonial ruler of all of Palestine.
Israel used Gaza to test its weapons, limited food supplies, bombed farmlands, shot farmers, shot fisherman, prevented medical aid and did everything it could to kill as many of the prisoners in Gaza and to make their life impossible.
Your analogy with Jews and Nazis is the wrong way around. Zionist Israel equates with Nazi Germany and the Jews equate with the Palestinian Christians and Muslims.
Israel does not need gas chambers when it has bombs, bullets, starvation and denial of medical aid and clean water. But the end result is the same.
As to the Palestinians being a threat to world Jewry, get real. Most Jews do not even live in what is called Israel and the Palestinian Resistance has no army, navy or air force. Hamas has stated, in 2017, it has no issue with Jews, just with their Zionist Israeli colonial rulers. Catch up.
I believe what is supported by facts and evidence. What you are saying to me is of no consequence for it is based on neither.
Before the Arabs helped the British to overcome the Ottomans, after which Britain went back on its promise and eventually, along with other European powers and a more reluctant USA, they gave in to a Zionist lobby and created the State of Israel. It was perfidy from the start.
Zionism was founded in terrorism and so was Zionist Israel. One reason the UN made the recommendation for partition was fear of Zionist terrorism. And they gave the illegal European colonists most of Palestine, knowing they planned to take it all, and hoping it would slow them down. Which it did not.
The partition of Palestine was illegal, immoral and one of the most barbaric colonial exercises in history.
Zionist terrorism, behind the scenes, has never stopped. It is now why the US Government and President are run by Zionist agendas and why many countries in Europe and the UK, Australia, Canada and others, are not taking a stand as they should.
Unfortunately fascist movements thrive in the fertile soil of cowardice and most humans are cowards. Those who are not the Zionists assassinate.
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc
If that’s what you believe - a flawed false narrative of Palestine then I say to you should practise what you preach and STAY SILENT before embarrassing yourself and get educated on the facts - you would even deflect the fact that Palestine never existed as country or nation state so your narrative you peddle with others is flawed and broken. Oppressor / oppressed matrix yes ? Lol
You are saying that a country which others deem not to be a country even though the historical facts declare that it is, has no rights? You are trying to use a ridiculous and easily disproven argument that because Palestine was not a country then the European colonists who invaded and now call themselves Israelis, have a right to commit colonial genocidal ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, torture, theft on the people of Palestine.
What an appalling claim to make. In a civilized world, our modern world everyone has human rights and NO-ONE, not even racist Zionists and Jews have a right to subject anyone to one of the most sadistic, savage, bestial and evil military colonial occupations in history.
I realise Israelis and many of their supporters are brainwashed and bigoted, which does diminish intelligence, but either you make a case to prove your position or we conclude it has no substance and you cannot.
Palestine has a history going back more than 5000 years according to Egyptologists. We have maps, records, letters, reports, drawings, etchings, paintings, and then photographs of Palestine and Palestinians going back thousands of years. The delusional claim Palestine did not exist is ridiculous.
Palestine was a country even if it was not a nation state. The concept of nation state is historically recent, first mooted in the 18th century and only becoming a reality in the 19th century. Neither Italy or Germany were nation states until the late 19th century, but if you told them they did not exist prior to this point, despite being countries for thousands of years, they would rightly conclude you were insane.
Correction
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc
You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself can rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel but again is today and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
I am sorry you have an inferior phone and cannot afford a laptop.
You said: You are dishonest and misleading
What is dishonest is anyone foolish enough to claim Palestine does not exist and did not exist, that genocide is not happening and that Israel is not a terrorist State.
As to Douglas Murray, one can only assume he is paid very well to be a Zionist shill. As someone who previously appeared intelligent, his lack of intelligence and integrity on this issue is sad to see. But money talks.
Murray, Ferguson and Gillard could not rip through the facts presented because facts create a solid wall of truth which has no holes. Gillard is also sad and one can only assume the Ziobullies got to her as well.
You said:ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative.
Any sane and decent human would be anti-zionist which is a fascist, thuggish, racist, sadistic political organisation.
Any sane and decent human would be anti the Israeli State for its history of sadistic cruelty and bestial savagery.
Any sane and decent human being would be pro a Resistance militia fighting for justice, freedom and human and civil rights in their homeland and that includes the political party and prisoner support group which is Hamas.
And since I have never mentioned Arafat I am not sure what you are talking about. He was corrupt and flawed but, compared to the Israelis, a saint.
You said: Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all.
Okay, I see you do not do nuance. Of course a State which people call Israel exists for the moment. But, technically speaking since there are no Israeli citizens and this state has no borders, logically it does not truly exist.
Palestine will be free and it will be a State and it will be a democracy. Some Israelis will choose to stay and become Palestinians but many will go back to where they came from. The UN forces will need to monitor the situation for some years because the former Israelis will find it difficult to give up their hatred of Palestinians and their constant attacks on them.
A lot of Jews want the Jewish state destroyed because it is an undemocratic, tyrannical travesty for Judaism and the world.
You said: it is israel who has the say its Israel land today
Actually it isn't. It is international law and the native people, the Palestinians who have the say on what can and cannot be called Israel, should it continue to exist.
For UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES to apply, Israel must first be legal with legal borders. Israel is not legal, was never legal and has no borders. Israel was founded in genocidal invasion and a war of ethnic cleansing and Right of Conquest was dissolved in 1945 so nothing taken from 1947 is legal.
You said: israel withdrew in 2005
Israel withdrew illegal Jewish colonists in Gaza and illegal military bases in 2005. It put the illegal colonists in other parts of Occupied Palestine still illegal. ISRAEL DID NOT END THE OCCUPATION AS Amira Hass stated in Haaretz, earlier this year.
ISRAEL ISSUES ID CARDS TO EVERY SINGLE PALESTINIAN INCLUDING THOSE IN THE GAZA CONCENTRATION CAMP. Israel remained the military colonial ruler of all of Palestine.
Israel used Gaza to test its weapons, limited food supplies, bombed farmlands, shot farmers, shot fisherman, prevented medical aid and did everything it could to kill as many of the prisoners in Gaza and to make their life impossible.
Your analogy with Jews and Nazis is the wrong way around. Zionist Israel equates with Nazi Germany and the Jews equate with the Palestinian Christians and Muslims.
Israel does not need gas chambers when it has bombs, bullets, starvation and denial of medical aid and clean water. But the end result is the same.
As to the Palestinians being a threat to world Jewry, get real. Most Jews do not even live in what is called Israel and the Palestinian Resistance has no army, navy or air force. Hamas has stated, in 2017, it has no issue with Jews, just with their Zionist Israeli colonial rulers. Catch up.
I believe what is supported by facts and evidence. What you are saying to me is of no consequence for it is based on neither.
Before the Arabs helped the British to overcome the Ottomans, after which Britain went back on its promise and eventually, along with other European powers and a more reluctant USA, they gave in to a Zionist lobby and created the State of Israel. It was perfidy from the start.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Julian_and_Anna_Epstein_Palestine_Passport_1939_p_2.jpg
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/asmaa-khalil-el-kersh_when-the-jewish-refugees-were-granted-citizenship-activity-7178726205561397248-ed1v/
So, please stop writing your scurrilous nonsense which only adds insult to injury, particularly right now when Israel is committing Genocide.
Zionism was founded in terrorism and so was Zionist Israel. One reason the UN made the recommendation for partition was fear of Zionist terrorism. And they gave the illegal European colonists most of Palestine, knowing they planned to take it all, and hoping it would slow them down. Which it did not.
The partition of Palestine was illegal, immoral and one of the most barbaric colonial exercises in history.
Zionist terrorism, behind the scenes, has never stopped. It is now why the US Government and President are run by Zionist agendas and why many countries in Europe and the UK, Australia, Canada and others, are not taking a stand as they should.
Unfortunately fascist movements thrive in the fertile soil of cowardice and most humans are cowards. Those who are not the Zionists assassinate.
Zionist bullying, behind the sce
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You are dishonest and misleading and if I had opportunity and time to actually debate you in person ( rather than type on my little shitty phone that needs a service ) along with others like actual moderates including sensible centre rights like Douglas Murray / Prof Ferguson and even a lefty like Australia’s PM Julia Gillard to name a few including myself ‘ could rip through your demonstrably misleading one sided pointless deranged ANTI Zionist Anti Israel pro Hamas pro Arafat narrative. Israel exists to this day when you say it doesn’t and that’s the most relevant point of all. Palestinianism peddled by Arafat from the 1960s to Hamas today is only ever about the destruction of the Jewish state and not creating a seperate additional Arab state of their own along side a Jewish state in peace even when the most left wing Israel governments offered them one. They rejected it and caused Passover massacres ..It’s Palestine that does NOT have a independant state. It never existed thousands of years but historical Israel DID EXIST AND modern Israel exists a Jewish state again and it is is today flourishing for years and Israel ( proper ) exists today as a Jewish state with defined borders and is arguably entitled to parts of Samaria and Judea area c too under Israeli law and for legitimate security reasons and if any Arab Palestine state does exist in the future the relevant resolution states it must be NEGOTIATED borders with possible land swaps with Israel… it is israel who has the say its Israel land today under UTTI POSSIDETIS JURIS PRINCIPLES and israel has given the so called Palestinian territory in Gaza ( after israel withdrew in 2005 and look what happened Hamas and rockets into Israel ( - the Jews living in Germany during Nazi Germany Holocaust DIDNT fire into Nazi Germany areas ( like Hamas does to Israel ) to deserve to be placed into gas chambers ) which caused EGYPT and Israel to blockade it’s borders . The same would happen second wave of Islamic terrorism ) in Westbank area c and in Israel like it did in 2000 to 2005 if Israel withdrew area C . You don’t mention you despicably say ls israel shouldn’t exist and DOES NOT even exist which makes you absurd and akin to a radical left fringe person..
With Hamas and Islamic jihad at Israel’s borders there should not be any Palestine Arab state now not ever until Islamic jihadi terrorism ideology is defeated and the peaceful Arabs want to leave in peace with israel. 2 M Arabs live in Jewish state of Israel proper and although it isn’t perfect they clearly have more civil liberties that they do in Arab bankrupt Syria or Arab Jordan or bankrupt Arab Lebanon etc etc